Are you open about being a Satanist?

Posted by: Skinner

Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/26/17 04:11 PM

Hello Everyone,

I was just wondering whether or not people openly announce that they are a satanist? I only ask this as equality is part of the law now and every workplace has to follow the quality act of not judging someone based on their beliefs.

However, in the Frequently asked questions section of the website there is a question regarding openly announcing if you are a satanist in the military. This is discouraged due to the possibility of personal vendettas of those around you in the military.

This all brings me to the conclusion that surely people should be allowed to openly discuss their religion and the philosophies that they follow, but at the same time there is still this misconception about satanism as being "evil".

So I was just wondering what satanists do when it comes to openly announcing that you're a Satanist both in the workplace, as well as with friends and family? Would you encourage it? or would you discourage it?

Thank you
Posted by: Nemo

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/26/17 05:08 PM

Quote:
So I was just wondering what satanists do when it comes to openly announcing that you're a Satanist both in the workplace, as well as with friends and family? Would you encourage it? or would you discourage it?


The short answer is that if you have to ask then you probably shouldn't do it.

A secret told to another is a secret no longer.

Some rabbits cannot be pushed back into the magician's hat! grin
Posted by: Phillip

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/27/17 12:24 AM

I consider myself a Luciferian Satanist
as I agree with both Michael W. Ford and Anton Lavey.
And yes I am open about my beliefs.
However it does cause problems where I live.
Sadly most folk here are intolerant towards People of the Left Hand Path.
Navy approves first ever Satanist
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3948329.stm
Posted by: Skinner

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/27/17 07:24 AM

I see exactly what you mean Magister Nemo.

Sometimes it is better to be safe than sorry. Especially as once it is announced, it could be held against you for a very long time.

However, that is the factor that I find very annoying. The fact that Satanism is not an organisation that a lot people accept.

Thank you for the reply. I am a big fan of your work.
Posted by: Skinner

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/27/17 07:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Phillip
However it does cause problems where I live.


I hope you do not mind me asking but what kind have problems have you experienced?

Has it impacted your job? Your social life?

Have these problems ever made you regret being open about satanism?

Thank you for the reply.
Posted by: Mannyowar

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/27/17 07:32 AM

Personally I've never seen the need to either announce to anybody that I'm a Satanist, or hide the fact. Of course there are some countries where being a Satanist openly could land you in jail or even executed, but for most of us in the West that isn't the case.

If someone at work asks about my Baphomet pendant (happened 2 or 3 times in the 18 odd years I've had it) I'll tell them what it is and direct them to the COS website, but I don't feel any need to drop it into conversation for the sake of it. Yes, some people probably will make negative assumptions about me based on their prejudices, but they could also do that about my skin colour, my tattoos, the fact that I'm a Metal fan etc etc. Some of those things I can hide, some I can't. They are all part of who I am, and if someone has a problem with any of them, I say fuck them coopdevil

Something I've noticed over the years, a lot of people have one thing in particular that they feel is their major defining characteristic. Usually either their race, their religion or their sexuality. Whenever they feel they have been discriminated against or treated unfairly, they then assume it is because of prejudice against that particular characteristic. The fact that maybe the other person just thought they were a bit of an arsehole never enters their head! It's a lot easier on the ego to look for discrimination than accept the fact that someone just didn't like you, hence why you didn't get that promotion you feel you deserve etc etc.
Posted by: Citizen_Horror

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/27/17 08:48 AM

Originally Posted By: Skinner
I was just wondering whether or not people openly announce that they are a satanist? I only ask this as equality is part of the law now and every workplace has to follow the quality act of not judging someone based on their beliefs.


Technically, yes -- employers are required to practice indifference regarding an individual's religious inclinations.

However just because that's the way the world SHOULD be, doesn't mean that's the way it IS.

Sure, announcing your religious stance at work isn't enough to get you in trouble.

However, as Mannyowar touched on, you might be "overlooked" for a promotion.

You might be written up for being two minutes late for your shift, when previously your boss may have let it pass.

You might start noticing that you're being written up more often for performance issues and eventually fired.

None of these have to do with your religion if a court looks at the evidence, however.

Catch my drift?

Additionally, look at the whole picture. Announcing affiliation with the CoS can impact more than your career.

For example, a friend of mine was attending a karate dojo some time ago. When the owner of the dojo found out about my friend's CoS affiliation, the owner kicked my friend out of the dojo.

That decision WAS based on religion. But, businesses reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, including religion.

Is that the way it SHOULD be? No. Is that the way it IS? Yes.

Announcing your affiliation boils down to YOU. For some, going public helps them. For others, their strength is in secrecy.

If you think going public will benefit you, by all means go for it.

If you think secrecy is the way to go, keep it a secret.

Personally, I agree with Nemo -- if you have to ask, then you're probably better off keeping it a secret, at least for the time being.
Posted by: Nemo

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/27/17 05:12 PM

Thanks for your very kind words.

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However, that is the factor that I find very annoying. The fact that Satanism is not an organisation that a lot people accept.


At the same time it is often the price that comes with being elite.

Being elite can cause rejection from those who do not feel that anything but universal sameness is "okay".

Hence they target anyone or anything that stands out as "not just the same".

But as Bruce Lee once put it, "They only chase the guy with the ball." grin
Posted by: Phillip

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/28/17 02:10 AM

Well I wear my Satanic Pentagram & Pazuzu Necklace openly,
I read books on the left hand path at the food court at the mall during quiet period. I have had idiots insult me threaten me with violence .
Which I reply why do you not just live & let live, now just go away.
I have stood my ground on many occasions and it has been quite unpleasant. But I am proud to be a Luciferian/ Satanist and I will not hide my beliefs. As far as work is concerned I am open about it
and it has not caused any problems.
I tend to be left alone.
Posted by: Skinner

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/28/17 03:22 AM

Originally Posted By: Mannyowar
If someone at work asks about my Baphomet pendant (happened 2 or 3 times in the 18 odd years I've had it) I'll tell them what it is and direct them to the COS website


What were the reactions of those who asked about the pendant? Were they understanding? Were they actually interested?

Thank you for the reply. You made a lot of good points.
Posted by: Mannyowar

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/28/17 07:53 AM

One girl I remember said something like "cool, good for you", but no one ever came back and said they'd looked up what Satanism is about and I've never asked. I'm happy to be left alone at work anyway!

I think another thing to consider is, what are people's opinions and expectations of you anyway? I am a Metal fan and have always dressed as such, long before I had even read the Satanic Bible I was wearing a pewter goat's head in a pentagram pendant, and many of my t shirts have devilish looking designs. I doubt many people outside the Church of Satan membership would know the difference between an authentic COS baphomet and the design on Venom's Welcome to Hell album (still an all time favourite!) , so I reckon it would have caused much more of a stir at work if I'd started wearing a gold crucifix, or been seen reading the Christian Bible in my breaks! On the other hand, if you're the clean-cut suit and tie guy who suddenly starts sporting a Baphomet medallion....
Posted by: Soleila

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/30/17 04:01 PM

Generally I keep it to myself.
I don't feel the need to advertise the fact that I am a Satanist. I have however chosen to tell my family and a few friends of mine. I don't talk about it at work because I personally am not interested in discussing religious topic at work. I think for me it's important to know my audience and to keep in mind that the general public has zero knowledge about what it means to be a Satanist, therefor I am selective as to who I tell. I don't feel like I'm keeping a secret, I view it more as being tactful. Being open or not about being a Satanist essentially comes down to what works best for you.
Posted by: Citizen Jonesy

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/30/17 10:56 PM

I don't even tell people what I had for breakfast.
Posted by: muaddib

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 07/31/17 12:55 PM

Personally, I feel that revealing that your are a Satanist in many situations is not satanic. I will even go further and argue that going public with respect to ones Satanism is at minimum tantamount to committing the Cardinal Satanic Sin: Stupidity. It is my understanding that true Satanism is at its essence the exploration, expression and comportment of ones internal world to control and cause actions in the external world. Revealing ones satanism has, in my personal experience, greatly hampered my LBM activities. So, as you can see, I have acted stupidly in my lifetime by revealing my philosophical predilections, hopefully, I will have the discipline to not act foolishly again. I would say not only was I stupid, but I committed the 8th Satanic Sin, "Counterproductive Pride". Click here for The Nine Satanic Sins
Posted by: Sigil

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 08/01/17 09:00 AM

Like some others, I neither hide nor proclaim my satanic beliefs.

Those who have asked me were given honest answers, and seemed neutral about the whole thing, which is fine by me. I avoid religious debate, simply because I'm not out to convert. (Duh).

Just writing the above reminds me of a time I got "witnessed" to by a couple of old Christian ladies. What a hoot that was, haha.
Posted by: Isobel Gowdie

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 08/03/17 06:53 AM

Outside of clarifying your views given specific, and credible, circumstances, people announcing 'what' they are (Satanist/Christian/Buddhist/homosexual) are using that definition as an identity crutch, or excuse for certain behaviours.

Your mileage may vary.
Posted by: VinterWulf

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 08/19/17 11:42 PM

I have been a self proclaimed Satanist for over 20 years and a card carrying member for well over 10 years in a very liberal city in the United States of America. To this day maybe five people know that I am a Satanist.

Satanism advocates pragmatism and usefulness. Keep that in mind when telling anybody anything about yourself!

HS
Posted by: Mwanatabu

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 08/20/17 06:44 AM

The area I live in is on the edge of the Dutch version of the Bible belt, mostly liberal with an unhealthy spike of backwardness here and there. Ya know, perfectly sane people until the word "dinosaur" comes up or someone suggests to open the stores on Sundays.

So I'm open about it in the sense that my world views are Satanic as can be and I'm verbal enough about them. I would never literally proclaim it however without very good reasons and frankly I can think of none.

I would not deny it either if asked and have quite some Satanic literature stacked on my shelves for all to see (but then again, I do have a lot of books).

Apparently the philosophy is too obscure to make the connection between my way of life and the word for it.
Posted by: Old_Pig

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 09/24/17 01:04 PM

People have an obsession of openly divulging all kind of details of their personal lives. (This is why Facebook is so popular) I have the belief that strangers only need to know the necessary minimum about me. So the chances of discussing my system of beliefs with people who don't know me already are practically zero.

The opportunity of discussing religion never presents in my daily life. Usually, that's the third or fourth question to pop up... and I always stop the conversation at question one.

In the kind of "multicultural" environment where I work people have a habit of using "where are you from" as a greeting. My answer to that is the most polite version of "that's none of your business" I can compose on the fly. So the matter gets nipped in the bud before the topic of religion appears.

You know in cop movies when they arrest someone and always tell them "anything you say can be used against you". That should be applied to all situations in life.
Posted by: RussTheArtist

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 11/26/17 11:56 AM

I'm open about it to friends and my work. I work at a comic shop owned by an atheist couple so I don't hide. I could give less of a fraction of a fuck if my mother knew, but trying to explain to her would be a headache ad I like avoiding conflict, so to her, I'm just agnostic with a dark library.

Only others I opened up to were Mormons on bikes, Jehova's Witnesses and annoying right wing soccer moms. Their faces and reactions are priceless.
Posted by: Tigerprincess

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 11/27/17 05:59 PM

My mother doesn’t really like to think about it but I am open to her about it and my father would flip if he knew exactly what I was ““ doing “. They both know I have a dark library or at least had... I need to re-purchase them very very slowly.

My mom doesn’t care about my dark library and my Baphomet necklace and my dad doesn’t really care about my Baphomet necklace and doesn’t even look into my library but if he really knew what was going on he would probably die of a heart attack and I don’t want to kill the poor man.

Mom however is very open with me and she knows I’ve always had a penchant for the Darkside and things that are more unusual, mystical, etc.

Other people have asked me what my necklace “meant” and I said it’s a very personal thing and it would be complex to explain and have them understand.

I hope this message makes sense it’s 8:00 PM where I am and I just took a whole bunch of needed heavy medication (prescription of course) so I may not be making the most sense .

HS!
Tigerprincess
Posted by: ConquerOrPerish

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 12/08/17 06:12 PM

You know, even if someone gets past the whole devil worship portal, then the you think you're God portal, and is open-minded, there are real beliefs in Satanism that by society's standards are immoral. Like imagine if you openly announced "I'm selfish," "I'm at the center of the universe," "I don't care about the poor," etc. That's why I think it's not a good idea to announce your true "intentions."
Posted by: Nemo

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 12/09/17 11:21 AM

Selfish, yes.

"Don't care about the poor"? Depends on the context. Some of the most caring and generous people I know are Satanists.

I would suggest that whatever actions we might take in response to such "caring" comes not from any desire to earn approval from others, to earn a "good guy badge".

Charity toward someone we feel is deserving is very Satanic.

We do not agree with the image of Satan to be that of the Judeo-Islamic-Christian sadistic monster who tortures fools in Hell.

Our view is that "Satan is a gentleman."

A gentleman may sometimes be generous and caring toward someone less well off ("poor").

That is not a weakness. It can be an indulgence.

Context is everything.
Posted by: Citizen_Horror

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 12/09/17 07:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Nemo
Charity toward someone we feel is deserving is very Satanic.


To support Magister Nemo's suggestions...

About two weeks ago I learned of a charity event.

People were collecting toys for the less fortunate.

I went to the mall and purchased a teddy bear, which I delivered to the event literally ten minutes later.

It was a matter of timing. I was feeling in a charitable mood and the idea of a child (who would otherwise have nothing to open for Christmas) being able to open a gift and find a teddy to love for years gives me pleasure.

It's not a frequent act. I don't do it out of a feeling of obligation. I don't do it "because it's the right thing to do". I do it because I the idea felt appealing. Plus I had the money to do so.

A purely selfish act, in other words. I did it because the idea of creating a smile makes me feel good.

I hadn't told anyone about the donation until now, and wasn't planning to tell anyone at all.

Merry Christmas.
Posted by: RussTheArtist

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 12/11/17 03:48 PM

I can get behind this. I'm often selfishly selfless. I used to be a firefighter, but that was before my "conversion" to Satanism. After reading the Satanic Bible, I keep playing LaVey's quote about heroics being acts of idiocy over in my head, but I kind of want to be a Satanic hero. I enjoy saving people's lives. I feel good about doing it because LaVey also said, "life is a party and no one wants to leave a good party," and there's not a more rude ending to a party than a car crash or a house fire. I'm helping myself by helping others' parties continue. Cause it sucks to party alone.
Posted by: Aesalon

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 12/15/17 08:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Citizen_Horror
It's not a frequent act. I don't do it out of a feeling of obligation. I don't do it "because it's the right thing to do". I do it because I the idea felt appealing. Plus I had the money to do so.



If it doesn't come out by the natural instinct it's not natural. Exactly. If I don't feel like giving, even better not to do it. If I don't like a job, better not do it. 'The right thing to do' is what each person chooses for himself or deems worth doing.

It's what I tell people without stating it's satanic and they agree with me because it resonates with their natural instincts. How can one not like his animal instincts and indulging in life pleasures. Everybody does. And if they don't admit it then they're hurting themselves. lol. It's very simple.

With some people I am open about my liking Satanic philosophy and Lavey. They accept it as a part of me. Other people I have not seen in ages I just sense the drift of where things are going. I have a coffee with them and tell them the philosophy indirectly and we have natural conversations. Why the need to boast about being a Satanist if it gets in the way of wanting to preserve certain ties with some people. Of course if I find those people are accepting of me and that they're going into my daily life circle I'd tell them. But if it's someone I see once every few years and that I used to be close with say when I was young, I don't tell immediately. It's in a way showing respect when in another's lair.
Posted by: Nychtis_Metal

Re: Are you open about being a Satanist? - 12/15/17 09:18 AM

I only recently started self identifying as a Satanist. I haven't come out to any of my friends or family yet (though some are aware I'm looking into the philosophy) because I'm not yet prepared to face the consequences of that. Meaning I know some people will react very poorly and frankly I don't want to deal with it.
So my answer to you is: if you're prepared to face any and all possible consequences then be as open as you like. If you're not prepared, don't. So, for example, if you think you'll be discriminated against in the work place and can't afford loose your job, don't tell your boss. Or, be prepared for a legal battle. It's all about what you think you can handle.