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Some things I'm a little fuzzy on. #504806
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Hi, I'm curious, when the Church of Satan calls for stratification, and removing egalitarianism, what groups is it is suggesting aren't equal. From reading more on it, it seems like people with low intelligence, but I just want to make sure, does Satanism at all promote discrimination based on sexuality (though what I've read on the Church of Satan's website says that they are accepting of all sexualities), gender, race, or other characteristics like that? Thank you. My next question is about the 11th Satanic Rule of The Earth, where it says not to bother anyone in public. What would qualify as bothering someone? For example, I would think if I see a friend in public, it would be fine to go up and say hi to them. Another is the 1st Satanic Rule, about not giving advice or opinion unless asked for them. If a friend comes to me with a problem or something bothering them that I think I can help with, should I give advice then? Thank you, and I apologize if it seems like I'm not thinking for myself, I just want to be very clear on what the church stands for before I affiliate myself with Satanism.

Re: Some things I'm a little fuzzy on. [Re: darkenedsky] #504812
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If you want authoritative answers regarding the Church of Satan and Satanism please post your questions in the Questions forum.

This forum you have posted in is open for anyone to reply and offer their opinion however these replies may very well not be the ones you are asking for. wink

Re: Some things I'm a little fuzzy on. [Re: Nemo] #504813
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Thank you, I will check that out now!

Re: Some things I'm a little fuzzy on. [Re: darkenedsky] #504819
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Satanism appears to stratify based on the ability to create, rather than to consume. Even stupid people can be productive or artistic, and create works that inspire or annoy (as Blanche Barton notes about Anton Szandor LaVey in, I think, “Satan Speaks!”). There is no discrimination based on things such as gender, race or sexual proclivity because they fundamentally don’t matter.

As for your other questions… You practically answer them yourself.

You’re not bothering a friend by going up and saying hello – in most civilised cultures, it’d be considered extremely discourteous to do otherwise. And if someone is telling you their woes, the request for some form of assistance will typically be implied; discriminate with care.

Re: Some things I'm a little fuzzy on. [Re: Isobel Gowdie] #504835
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Thank you for the response! I suppose I did answer my own questions but of course I wanted to be sure. Thanks again for your insight.

Re: Some things I'm a little fuzzy on. [Re: darkenedsky] #504866
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Hi, I'm curious, when the Church of Satan calls for stratification, and removing egalitarianism, what groups is it is suggesting aren't equal.


And what groups or people ARE equal? Equality is a myth sold to you by politicians so that you vote for them. In the real world, and not in the political discourse, it doesn't exist and it never existed. People have never been equal, that's the truth, but the lie is better.

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My next question is about the 11th Satanic Rule of The Earth, where it says not to bother anyone in public. What would qualify as bothering someone?


The way I see it, it is about pissing people off left and right, a deliberate and unnecessary act of making enemies, which can hit you back later on.

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Another is the 1st Satanic Rule, about not giving advice or opinion unless asked for them.


Altogether it's rude to offer your advice to someone who is not asking for it. Moreover, you're taking responsibility for any unfortunate outcome that might occur if that person follows your advice, which might turn out to be a not so good advice after all.

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Re: Some things I'm a little fuzzy on. [Re: darkenedsky] #506006
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Originally Posted By: darkenedsky
Hi, I'm curious, when the Church of Satan calls for stratification, and removing egalitarianism, what groups is it is suggesting aren't equal.


There's a sort of a saying about this: Let water rise to it's own level. It's not about declaring anyone unequal or lesser, but rather not interfering with the success of people who have drive, ambition and talent while at the same time allowing the failure of those who fail.

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From reading more on it, it seems like people with low intelligence, but I just want to make sure, does Satanism at all promote discrimination based on sexuality (though what I've read on the Church of Satan's website says that they are accepting of all sexualities), gender, race, or other characteristics like that? Thank you.


Do you see people or just their sexuality if known? (hint:grow up)

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My next question is about the 11th Satanic Rule of The Earth, where it says not to bother anyone in public. What would qualify as bothering someone?


If you have healthy boundaries this question answers itself.

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For example, I would think if I see a friend in public, it would be fine to go up and say hi to them.


What kind of friends do you have that this would be a bother?

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Another is the 1st Satanic Rule, about not giving advice or opinion unless asked for them. If a friend comes to me with a problem or something bothering them that I think I can help with, should I give advice then?


In the example you have, they came to you, didn't they? So, that one's not rocket science.

On the other hand, consider someone who constantly must condescendingly give un-asked for advice and / or their arrogant opinions in terms of the 11th rule. If you don't want to hear about someone's racist, political or otherwise retarded opinions tell them so. If they don't respect that, they deserve to be publicly embarrassed by what you say next. (If you have the talent. Stratification, y'know.)

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It sounds like you clearly read only the surface level stuff. If you read The Satanic Bible front to back, you would have had all these questions answered, multiple times over in detail in fact. Not to forget all of the great detail other books get into about these very questions.

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when the Church of Satan calls for stratification, and removing egalitarianism, what groups is it is suggesting aren't equal.

Hahaha... Satanism is definitely not an egalitarian group, not in the modern examples we are given today by such types for sure anyway. I'm not sure why this is even brought up. But hey, if politics and related things are of interest for you, The Satanic Temple is all about that spectrum.

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it seems like people with low intelligence, but I just want to make sure, does Satanism at all promote discrimination based on sexuality, gender, race, or other characteristics?

Your sentence structure is little off on this one. I think you're asking if Satanism is promoting discrimination based on sexuality, race, and gender.
Absolutely not. We aren't about judging other people on such petty surface level things. They have little importance when dealing with the mind within a person. Satanic literature actually goes to great lengths when speaking positive about both men and women, especially women. Not something you can really say for other religions. They cover LGBT folk as well, even asexuals. As for these newer genders popping up.... well you got to consider Satanism and most of its literature comes from a time before new rad strange gender titles were a thing....
Satanism is a tool and a lifestyle. Rather other Satanists discriminate you or dislike you is irrelevant. Some of us typically hate everyone until given reason not to. Lol.


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My next question is about the 11th Satanic Rule of The Earth, where it says not to bother anyone in public. What would qualify as bothering someone?

The question has an obvious answer. If you politely approach someone and attempt conversation, and they are blatantly uninterested, back off. They might be busy or not in the mood. Or simply not interested in you. And that's okay! It's alright for people to choose not to socialize to certain people. Examples of being a bother would be continuing to pry for attention or a chat, or not going away after being clearly dismissed by the other individual.
If the person you are attempting conversation with looks up and smiles, or replies back in a way that triggers continuous discussion, congratulations! Then you aren't a bother, probably.


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Another is the 1st Satanic Rule, about not giving advice or opinion unless asked for them. If a friend comes to me with a problem or something bothering them that I think I can help with, should I give advice then?

For your last question, you rather answered it yourself. If a person comes up to you wishing for advice, he wants advice! Heh. I mean, this is common knowledge right? And if he doesn't come out and ask in his own words, try asking him the question, "Would you like some advice?" Chances are, if a beloved friend is venting to you, the expected next move is to try and comfort or help in the best way you can. If he's venting just for the sake of it, or if it's common for them to vent things off, then let it cool down on it's own. I have those few friends who sometimes are better off having alone time when in such moods. I am one of those kind of people myself.

Old thread is old, my apologies. But hey I didn't bump it first! Lol.

OP is most likely long gone. But perhaps a passerby can gather something out of the thread.

If you have questions just like these, please seek out the original sources first. The answers to most of these are very easy to find, and most likely more enlightening to read from there.

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