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#100921 - 05/18/05 10:39 PM just wondering..
damnage Offline


Registered: 05/16/05
Posts: 14
What lead you to becoming a satanist?
hopefully it can give me a better understanding of this whole thing.
Any input could help
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#100922 - 05/18/05 10:40 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
Maya Offline
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Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 1447
Loc: New England
Quote:

What lead you to becoming a satanist?




I was born...

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#100923 - 05/18/05 11:00 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
fiftythirdspirit Offline


Registered: 12/25/04
Posts: 362
I've always been this way. I don't understand it either.

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#100924 - 05/18/05 11:06 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
IronCrafter Offline


Registered: 04/10/05
Posts: 733
Loc: A Harsh Reality ,Wa USA
Satanism is simply having an inbred point of view of the world and others.. I call it "being stuck in reality mode."

This doesn't mean we can't be creative, or have flights of fancy. We just recognize what that happens to be.

The flip side is that dealing with reality 24 7 can be very stressful. No one else is there to use as a crutch..We have to stand on our own feet,rather than ride on the shoulders of some artificial entity when things get rough.

So we use ritual,etc,as a way of releasing that pressure. We suspend our usual questioning and disbeleif of the metapyhisical for a short time to vent these pressures.

That's about as breif an explanation of what makes a Satanist as I can manage..I hope it helped.
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#100925 - 05/18/05 11:49 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
Discipline Offline
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Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 6796
Loc: Forever West
The question is very intriguing and could lead to a volume of great details. Definitely a fine question, one that merits to be added upon.

Yet, it would be a bit more rewarding to those who would respond by offering more of your own details on the subject. Since this is a place of debate between Satanists and to enjoy friendly banter, it might pay off in your best interests to add more filler to this post.

I am not trying to be snappy. Far from it. I just wish to enjoy your posts so you could enjoy mine as well. You give me something worth while, and I will do the same for you. Respected paid for respect, more or less.

Would it hurt? Nah, you should enjoy talking about your opinions. You should be able to go on forever about your informed opinions. Why not? They are your opinions after all, and they should be worth a good listening too. Correct?

Take the time to write out the details of your own opinions. I am very interested in hearing them. Seriously.
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#100926 - 05/18/05 11:51 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
Hazel Offline


Registered: 03/18/05
Posts: 143
Loc: Brooklyn, NY
Well first my mom and dad met at a party and got really, really drunk...

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#100927 - 05/19/05 02:07 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
gypsy Offline
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A nice bio damnage

Read The Satanic Bible sweetheart
I have a feeling you will get a full understanding of this whole thing.
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#100928 - 05/19/05 08:06 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
Mallamun Offline


Registered: 03/02/04
Posts: 12
I can almost certainly say that you will not learn anything about your own relationship with the religion by examining that of others. Satanism, though containing its own unique sets of dogmas, is deeply individualistic. As many have already stated here in their own way, Satanists are born, not made! If you want to "understand this whole thing", start in a different place. Such as reading the book. If you cannot understand that particular piece of literature, then you shouldn't be here anyway.
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#100929 - 05/19/05 08:14 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
BlasphemousOne Offline

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Registered: 04/25/04
Posts: 1655
Loc: Connecticut, USA
Well the Fairy Demon Godmother waved her wand and *poof* I was a Satanist!

All kidding aside...I was born a Satanist. After I read The Satanic Bible, I was able to put a name to the way I felt the entire time.

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#100930 - 05/19/05 01:14 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Discipline]
TrojZyr Offline
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Registered: 07/25/01
Posts: 12990
Loc: The Solid State
You're right, it's actually a very intriguing question, although it may seem simple on the surface.

I certainly believe that Satanists are born, so that one cannot create a Satanist out of pure unsatanicness. But, I also think Satanists are made, in that experiences and lessons help to either reinforce, or inhibit and/or delay, the development and maturation of the born Satanist. Satanists are not born with perfect knowledge and perfect ability--they are born with perfect potential.

Some Satanists have told me that I possess a level of insight and wisdom that is noteworthy for my age. I think this is due to the fact that I've been exposed to the right ideas, lessons, and experiences early on, and in an appropriate fashion. But, there are some ways in which I am still ignorant and naiive, as well as areas where I "know" something intellectually but don't understand it on a deeper level of comprehension, and I think that just means that I haven't gotten exposed to the right stuff in the right way yet, so that I can rightly entertain it. (Damn right, you're bloody well right!)

That being said, I think my encounters with the human masses, and some of the intellectual topics I've uncovered, have helped to make me a Satanist. I've gotten to observe examples of stupidity and incompetence early on, so that I've learned how stupid people are, and how not to be like them. I've gotten to learn about and observe human interactions that have helped me learn about psychology, motives, and all that. I've learned about the "dark side" of history, as well as the "dark sides" of other fields, so that I've learned that there's always more beneath the surface. I've watched other people flounder when they've embraced certain philosophies or religions, and so I have a sense of what beliefs and/or behaviors promote failure, and which promote success.
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#100931 - 05/19/05 01:29 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: TrojZyr]
Discipline Offline
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Nicely said, TrojZyr. You are very bright and your posts are fun to read.

I agree that each individual will lack certain experiences and will be weak in some areas. Yet, as a Satanist one should be willing to correct that or at least understand that fact.

The norm, I have noticed, is that people seem to like having that lack of experience, or they don't wish to spend the energy on understanding it. Though they may have useful ideas and knowledge they seem to think that their ideas are pointless and have no drive to investigate further upon them. That is what separates Satanists from the "herd", so to speak.

I am just beginning to explore scientific fields and the wonders of mathematics. Yet, I have experienced a vast amount of human behavior and discipline through my military time. I use that experience to bolster my school studies, my train of thoughts, and I don't let it anchor me down like others have. I have seen many marines get trapped in a "I am just a stupid jar-head and will never understand all that science stuff. I stick to the real work, the dirty, sweaty work." type of attitude.

Never let anything trap you, instead use it to enforce your goals and desires.
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#100932 - 05/19/05 06:17 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
damnage Offline


Registered: 05/16/05
Posts: 14
Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.
Although, i dont quite yet condsider myself a Satanist. Most of the reasons ive read are very closley related to my reasons for reading up on satanism.

Society gets to the point where i need to just leave. Not just certain groups. EVERYONE. Mainly people who believe in god, and follow "his" rules. It strikes me as very odd to see horrid crimes being committed by those who are supposed to be the right people (for lack of a better term...)

there are more reasons... but i dont exactly have time to go into FULL detail

When i get my grubby little hands on The Satanic Bible, things should come more clear to me.

(and thankyou for the compliment on my bio )
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#100933 - 05/19/05 10:47 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Discipline]
TrojZyr Offline
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Registered: 07/25/01
Posts: 12990
Loc: The Solid State
Thank you, dahling.

You're bright and fun too, and you also seem to have a great sense of aesthetics, if your photo's any indication.

You're correct--most people feel most at ease in ignorance and incompetence, and this is the embodiment of stupidity.

Now, I do have some flaws that I'm *not* working all that hard to correct, BUT, I often use them as *assets* in certain ways, for specific purposes. For example, I'll use my poor motor-spatial skills or poor sense of time to tell funny stories about myself, or engage in slapstick, and this allows people to warm up to me and laugh. In this sense, they cease to become actual flaws. But, ignoring a flaw brainlessly, and turning a flaw into an asset, are two different things at core level.

And yes, it is unfortunate how people have a perception of themselves and their interests---often one that they don't even sufficiently test---and that puts them into a perpetual box.
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#100934 - 05/20/05 02:08 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
RandomStranger Offline
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Registered: 03/09/05
Posts: 2770
Loc: Here.
Quote:

What lead you to becoming a satanist?




The last thing I want to do here is come of
sounding like I have nothing better to do than
correct other's spelling mistakes. I believe that
you have the right to present yourself however
you see fit, as long as you are willing to take
responsibillity for what you do with that.

I am a Satanist not a satanist. I have never been
a satanist so nothing led me to be one. Perhaps
the thing that leads a person to satanism is what
YOU are experiencing at this time, but I don't know.
I'm not YOU.

If you want to ask: "What led you to become a Satanist,"
I could answer: "My parents having unprotected sex."
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#100935 - 05/20/05 04:46 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
oggi Offline


Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 107
Loc: Finland
Quote:

What lead you to becoming a satanist?
hopefully it can give me a better understanding of this whole thing.


Thank for that question, now I get excuse to write it down.

In age of 12-15(probalby after 12, but 99% sure before I was 15) I started calling myself satanist(only to myself), becouse it was most fitting term that I knew. I used that more like as joke to myself, becouse I didn't know what satanism really was, I though that was exatly what others have told me, killing animals and that kind thing.

Well, I didn't think me as that kind, I think myself as satanist, who really didn't care what other satanist do, becouse I though that Satan, as god opposite, would not wish to do that kind thing. More likely Satan would wish, as opposite to god, wish us to live and enjoy life. I wasn't sure at that time about is there god or not, but I was certain, that if there is god, that is like church discribed it, I would choose other side, side that would think human, as human, not like some suprime lifeform. I would choose side, that give those who would waste his life, thinking about next, possible life everything what they deserve. Only one certain thing was sure, we can't know if there is god, and if god would punish me becouse of that, recognizin possibiltys, he would be so evil(as I personally determinate word evil), that I would go to hell, and live in fulltime orgy and laughing those who wasted both life and afterlife(Becouse god act by love, Satan must act by knowledge).

Well, soon I become quite certain, that there is no good, becouse there is no need for god or satan(as opposite of god). I didn't get idea of satan beeing complite opposite, as I saw it from TSB, as symbol of truth, as reality, as hate and love, as self-deception*(former god), as everything, that is. Satan is my friend and master, like knowledge is my friend and master.

Then How I find out that i'm not "alone"? I was searcing good drawed pentagram, as I sawd it really beatiful, and I found one "pagan" page, where was also little story about satanism. I was feeling like "whats the trick?" and have about thousand different possibilty, I haven't even yet decided, that can I really trust that satanism is not just trick to make money, becouse I think that is exatly how I have thinked few last years, and think that of course everyone agree whit everything. then I start think more, and remembered, that even as I had tell about my friends about my view about their god, they didn't really listened, so maby not everyone think like that. I'm still very uncertain about satanism, becouse nothing is as easy as trick someone who think that he is smart(even if he is), and I really know that there is feeling like that inside me even as well hidden.


*"as self-deception": understanding it, and doing it as fun and when recognized it actually isn't self-deception, self-deception is impossibilty to any adult satanist. Self-deception for me, is like reading good book, knowing that it is fiction, does not chance that I could not enjoy it.


Hail Satan
Hail Me
Hail other Me
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#100936 - 05/20/05 04:48 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: RandomStranger]
oggi Offline


Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 107
Loc: Finland
Quote:

If you want to ask: "What led you to become a Satanist,"
I could answer: "My parents having unprotected sex."


I used long time to write down why I become, and you made that even better in few second.
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#100937 - 05/23/05 10:37 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
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Registered: 05/21/05
Posts: 25
Loc: Emporia, Kansas
For me it was the constant lack of knowledge. I have read the bible many times,, and whenever I would ask a member of the xian faith a specific question,, I would always get the answer" yours is not to question,,, If god wanted you to know,, he would have told you".I have a hard time understanding how anyone with a brain can allow themselves to be enslaved by a belief.I am a leader,, not a follower. Satanism gave me the power to learn, to question, and,ultimately, too survive. Hail Satan!
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#100938 - 05/23/05 12:59 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: NiteWraith]
WISE666 Offline


Registered: 05/22/05
Posts: 43
Loc: Missouri
The reason why I became a Satanist is because I just saw how much BS the Christian faith was. You was to think you was this awful person and don't give yourself anything you wanted then maybe if you were good enough you might make it into HEAVEN.

HAIL SATAN!!!
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#100939 - 05/23/05 02:30 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
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Registered: 10/08/03
Posts: 523
Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Quote:

What lead you to becoming a satanist?
hopefully it can give me a better understanding of this whole thing.
Any input could help



9 months in the womb.
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#100940 - 05/26/05 04:38 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
Ephraim Offline


Registered: 03/14/05
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Loc: Belmont NH. USA
I've always wanted to learn more.
I realized at an early age that there was no way for me to become as smart as I wanted to be if I allowed myself to be humbled before a crucified figure. I studied various religions out of interest but mostly for personal humor, eventualy I found Satanism and realized that I was a satanist all this time, even when I was going to the church down the street, nothing about Satanism conflicted with my already existing philosophy, I didnt become a satanist, I always was one, I just did'nt know it.
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#100941 - 05/26/05 07:26 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
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Loc: Banana, Canada
The lable suited the package.
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#100942 - 05/26/05 07:38 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
CWH Offline
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Registered: 04/23/05
Posts: 3746
I'm going to play my "was born this way" card. I merely had to discover my true self. Thanks to Dr. LaVey's writings, I did. I wish it would have been sooner, but hey, I figure its better late than never.

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#100943 - 05/26/05 08:08 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
Kaahi Offline


Registered: 05/26/05
Posts: 42
I've always sorta had my own beliefs and such. I just could never put any title to it. Then I read up about CoS, and I found I could relate to a lot of the basic beliefs of the religion. I'm one of those people who you'd never think is Satanist. I don't dress like how you'd picture one and I don't listen to the music you'd think one would listen to. Those are all stereotypes anyway. >.>

I'm kinda a bubbly girl. Always optomistic and whatnot. I aim to please others, eh, but, really it's not as selfless as it sounds. I please others if it benefits me. If someone will like me more as a kind person, then, well, since I care, and my own self-esteem (no matter how hard I try to not let it be) is dependant on the way others see me, it's convenient for me to please others. I get selfish sometimes too. I don't like to go out much, so, despite how much a person would like me to go out, sometimes I'd rather stay home and do something that'd make me happier.

Satanism is, in a nutshell, self-pleasing. It's being who you truely are, if I'm not mistaken (though I was only introduced to CoS 3-4 years ago, so I'm kinda a newbie). If you act in a way that displeases you, don't.

It all boils down to this: You'd do anything to make yourself happy, even at the expense of others.

So, like I said before, CoS is just a title really, an organized faith that I stumbled upon one day of people who share my beliefs. 'n stuff.

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#100944 - 05/26/05 08:20 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
pakish Offline


Registered: 05/24/05
Posts: 26
Loc: méxico
Nothing lead you, you just find out who where you all this time.
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#100945 - 05/29/05 02:19 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
Adveser Offline


Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 429
Loc: California
Well, all I really needed was some clarification after reading the Web Site, here's an excerpt from my myspace profile

"Who are your Heroes" - High Priestess Peggy Nadramia (for spending a few minutes 4 years ago answering what has to be some of the stupidest questions she has every recieved with sincere answers, changing my life forever for the better)

This isn't an attempt to kiss ass (Magister Nemo went over that shit already if you're one of the newer users of the board) I feel that if i were given sarcastic or otherwise insulting answers to my genuine questions simply because I had yet to invest 8 bucks on a Satanic Bible, then I wouldn't have understood what all this was about and probably wouldn't be the same person, but a lesser one.

Thanks again everyone who gave a confused teenager some answers he would have taken much longer to figure out on his own.

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#100946 - 05/29/05 05:21 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
Hydroksyde Offline


Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 161
Loc: New Zealand
erm... alot of things. Shall we say... eminem???

A few years ago, I heard the eminem 'song', "sing for the moment", with the led zeppelin track mixed into it. Then i started to listen to rock and metal, and eventually metallica. I was confused about one particular song, "the thing that should not be", so I did a bit of research on that, and found the stories of H. P. Lovecraft. In a number of his stories, he mentioned a book called the necronomicon, and I wondered if it was real. I then did some more research, and found a page on the CoS web site saying it wasn't.
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#100947 - 05/29/05 05:37 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Hydroksyde]
CWH Offline
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A few years ago, I heard the eminem 'song', "sing for the moment", with the led zeppelin track mixed into it.




That was an Aerosmith song, my friend. AEROSMITH. Not Zeppelin.

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#100948 - 05/29/05 08:20 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
False_Messiah78 Offline
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Registered: 12/27/04
Posts: 1449
Loc: New York State
Quote:

What lead you to becoming a satanist?





1. I was born
2. Two decades of life experiences and education shaped my personal views about a great many things.
3. I read The Satanic Bible and agreed with everything in it. The Book of Lucifer seemed like my own thoughts transfered onto paper.

I would not be doing this post justice if I did not note that a deep hatred of Catholicism led me to study the Left Hand Path. Through my interactions on this forum, however, I have learned to let go of most of my hatred and pay no heed the followers of Christ (with the exception of those who try to push their views on everyone else.)

Hope this answered your question.

Hail Satan!
Hail Anton LaVey!
Hail Me!

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#100949 - 05/29/05 03:30 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Hydroksyde]
pakish Offline


Registered: 05/24/05
Posts: 26
Loc: méxico
Quote:

A few years ago, I heard the eminem 'song', "sing for the moment", with the led zeppelin track mixed into it.




OMG! That´s "Dream on" by Aerosmith not Zeppelin...
Some time ago i was buying something in a little store and "Dream on" was on the radio...I heard two sellers:

- ¿Cual es esa rola wey? (What´s that song dude?)
- Es como la de eminem pero copia o algo...(Ìt´s like the eminem song but copy or something...)

Metallica made some other Lovecraft references like "The Call of the Ctulhu" song...
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#100950 - 05/30/05 03:20 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: pakish]
Hydroksyde Offline


Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 161
Loc: New Zealand
Both aerosmith and led zeppelin recorded it. I'm not sure who did it first, but that _WAS_ the led zeppelin version mixed into the eminem song...

edit: i have looked into this, nobody else seems to be sure, and it doesn't appear to be in any led zep albums. I have heard two versions of it, however, and one sounded more like led zep, the other aerosmith.

Quote:

- ¿Cual es esa rola wey? (What´s that song dude?)
- Es como la de eminem pero copia o algo...(Ìt´s like the eminem song but copy or something...)




Blashphemy!!!


Edited by Hydroksyde (05/30/05 03:33 AM)
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#100951 - 05/30/05 05:46 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
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Loc: San Diego, CA
What lead you to becoming a satanist?

Birth.
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#100952 - 05/30/05 06:40 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: C_D_McKinna]
Mr_Scary Offline

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Registered: 02/08/03
Posts: 192
Loc: Colorado springs, Colorado
Simple but perfect.

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#100953 - 05/30/05 08:17 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Mr_Scary]
The_Raven Offline


Registered: 05/30/05
Posts: 8
Actually, I posted this somewhere in an introduction thread, but I'm going to post it here, too, since it seems relevant.

As a child, Catholicism was shoved down my throat by my fanatical parents. I was scared and repressed, and even when my brother raped me when I was 6, I was too scared to tell anyone because I thought I was too "sinful" and people would think I was a dirty sinner. I was just so sick of feeling dirty, guilty, and afraid for no reason. Then I stopped believing in Jesus, and started hating Catholicism. Also, since I'm a homosexual, I don't feel very wanted by those self-deceiving assholes anyway. Then I was an atheist, and... TA DA! Now I'm a Satanist. Ever since I read the Satanic Bible, I've been so much happier and life makes more sense.
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#100954 - 05/30/05 10:49 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: The_Raven]
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Quote:

Actually, I posted this somewhere in an introduction thread, but I'm going to post it here, too, since it seems relevant.

As a child, Catholicism was shoved down my throat by my fanatical parents. I was scared and repressed, and even when my brother raped me when I was 6, I was too scared to tell anyone because I thought I was too "sinful" and people would think I was a dirty sinner. I was just so sick of feeling dirty, guilty, and afraid for no reason.....




Go back to the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth and read number two. To start being a Satanist, first you must stop being a victim.
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#100955 - 05/30/05 11:53 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Maya]
Adveser Offline


Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 429
Loc: California
Personally, I'm not very impressed that people didn't read the question, but instead gave a lame ass answer like this. No, being born did not lead you to becoming a Satanist, there was some event in your life that persuaded you to read about it. Sorry to be rude, but these kinds of answers show how trite and unoriginal some people can be when confronted with a genuine question. I'm not trying to single you out, you were just the first to answer such a way. More disturbing is how when someone gave a good answer other followed suit with a predictable response that avoided the question.

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#100956 - 05/31/05 12:05 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Adveser]
Old_Pig Offline


Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 3969
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Personally, I'm not very impressed that people didn't read the question, but instead gave a lame ass answer like this. No, being born did not lead you to becoming a Satanist, there was some event in your life that persuaded you to read about it. Sorry to be rude, but these kinds of answers show how trite and unoriginal some people can be when confronted with a genuine question. I'm not trying to single you out, you were just the first to answer such a way. More disturbing is how when someone gave a good answer other followed suit with a predictable response that avoided the question.




Actually, hers was the best answer to your question. We all know Satanist are born not made. So there is no "becoming a Satanist". In any case, there is discovering you always were one.
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#100957 - 05/31/05 12:33 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Adveser]
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I understand what you mean. No one came out of the womb a Member of the Church of Satan. However, what a Satanist is by nature was inherent at birth. Growing up, one realizes how much more different they are and how they understand things as opposed to most others. There seems to be no specific explanation for this all until reading the one provided in The Satanic Bible, something we'll all be eternally grateful to Doktor LaVey for. Then it all makes perfect sense...among many, many other things.
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#100958 - 05/31/05 12:58 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Old_Pig]
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Why do you think by posting this message he was stating himself to be a victim?

To me, he was stating past experiences that helped lead him against the belief in Catholicism. This statement did not appear to be looking for pity. People have life changing experiences good and bad. Is it a weak mind that admits bad experiences or a strong one?

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#100959 - 05/31/05 08:37 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Adveser]
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Adverser,people here are fond of specific questions.

If you had phrased this as "When did you become AWARE you were a Satanist?",then the answers would not have been so glib and dismissive.

Generalizations will often be treated with contempt by those who know that details matter. My awareness of the moment of realization was like that of any Satanist.

I read the TSB.
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#100960 - 05/31/05 08:08 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: VKat]
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Why do you think by posting this message he was stating himself to be a victim?

To me, he was stating past experiences that helped lead him against the belief in Catholicism. This statement did not appear to be looking for pity. People have life changing experiences good and bad. Is it a weak mind that admits bad experiences or a strong one?




He had already told the story in his introduction and then he repeated it here again. I'm sorry if I kind of overeacted, but I'm tired ot the "born again Satanists" that come here telling how much they suffered under the opression of the Christians until one day they found the Satanic Bible and their life changed. They sound too much like reversed Christians to me.

In my opinion, a Satanist's life is not divided in "after Satan" and "before Satan". He will struggle and fight from early age to defend himself and he will reject the Christian mind-control by instinct long before he ever found the Satanic Bible.

That's, in my opinion, what makes a Born Satanist. When someone says he changed his life around after reading the Satanic Bible, he is saying he is not a Satanist.

A real Satanist don't change after discovering Satanism, he just finds what to call himself.
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#100961 - 05/31/05 08:33 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: fiftythirdspirit]
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I've always been this way. I don't understand it either.




Gee, I apologize to all the droll individuals out there. I was much too glib in my original response. How's this:

I read The Satanic Bible and (to quote Francis) "TA DA" Now I am a Satanist.

(...get a life)

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#100962 - 05/31/05 08:39 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: fiftythirdspirit]
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(...get a life)



But why get a life of your own when you can just ask others stupid and irrelevant questions about theirs?
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#100963 - 05/31/05 08:41 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: False_Messiah78]
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My sentiments exactly.

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#100964 - 06/01/05 12:11 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Old_Pig]
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Yes, I understand what your saying.

When I read the Satanic Bible, more like when I read pieces of it for the first time online. It did not change me, however it gave me resolve in my beliefs of who I am.

Quote:

Ever since I read the Satanic Bible, I've been so much happier and life makes more sense.




Would it be wrong in your opinion to say, that after reading The Satanic Bible I no longer felt like such an alien? Even at 14 I was questioning my own mental stability, worried that there was some thing wrong with me.

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#100965 - 06/01/05 01:03 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: VKat]
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When I read the Satanic Bible, more like when I read pieces of it for the first time online. It did not change me, however it gave me resolve in my beliefs of who I am.




Same Here.

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#100966 - 06/01/05 09:44 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Old_Pig]
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When someone says he changed his life around after reading the Satanic Bible, he is saying he is not a Satanist.

You may want to be more careful how much you express your dogma...

"This book has the potential to change your life--it did mine."
- Magus Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest of The Church of Satan ( Opening The Adamantine Gates, An Introduction To The Satanic Bible )

In my opinion, if one is not moved dramatically after reading The Satanic Bible, I have reason to question your nature as a Satanist. You and others almost make it sound like Satanists read it and simply nod like it's old hat. Even though Satanists find much relatable and see themselves mirrored in its pages, only Doktor LaVey could have written it and only he did. It is the touchstone of Satanic experience from here to eternity, and among its many testaments, "change" is one of them.


Edited by CaesarsGhost (06/01/05 09:45 AM)
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#100967 - 06/01/05 10:25 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Caesar]
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In my opinion, if one is not moved dramatically after reading The Satanic Bible, I have reason to question your nature as a Satanist.




I have no question on my nature as a Satanist. Reading The Satanic Bible did not "change my life around," but it did give a name to what I am, what I've always been.

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#100968 - 06/01/05 07:25 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Caesar]
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I meant change of life in the sense of a 180 degree turn. Like those who say they were poor oppressed victims for years and one day "bang!" they became instant Satanists.

I'm sure reading the Satanic Bible is the greatest milestone in the life of every Satanist... But that doesn't mean they didn't have a very Satanic life before reading it.
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#100969 - 06/01/05 09:18 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I'm sure reading the Satanic Bible is the greatest milestone in the life of every Satanist... But that doesn't mean they didn't have a very Satanic life before reading it. (italics mine)

However Satanic a life a Satanist may have lived before reading The Satanic Bible, it could never have been as Satanic if they had not (and they certainly wouldn't be calling themselves a Satanist, either).
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#100970 - 06/01/05 09:20 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: fiftythirdspirit]
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...but it did give a name to what I am, what I've always been.

Is that all?
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#100971 - 06/01/05 10:08 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Caesar]
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Nodding to CaesarsGhost...........

The Satanic Bible was like being hit by a thunderbolt to me.

A reveletion, an illumnation of things that had seemed vague and confused before then. Almost like going through life with a fuzzy focus,sort of seeing how things were,feeling around......And suddenly having things jump into crystalline clarity.

AHHH!!!!!! So THAT'S what it meant all of this time........

I had lived my life in contempt of lies,and the stupid herd all round me. That was a given, I knew I was better than these sheep.

The Doktor gave me the gift of an expanded insight as to WHY that was. I feel that people may sometimes make the mistake of saying they "became Satanists" after reading the TSB.

Please, can we have a little bit of kindness for our own?

This IS the only safe place for us. I'm not suggesting a big stupid group hug,or nursemaiding. Just the memory that you too,were there once.

That there are FAR too few of us as it is......

And that maybe YOU could have benefitted from the sort of patience some of us would also have enjoyed being shown when our eyes were just opening to we REALLY were..

Hail Satan......

Hail UNDERSTANDING.........
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#100972 - 06/01/05 10:42 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
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Im not a satanist. Im just here to learn more about them as a group and individuals. To learn things that I can't in their Bible.
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#100973 - 06/01/05 11:02 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: IronCrafter]
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Please, can we have a little bit of kindness for our own?

Kindness, just as cruelty, is given to those who deserve it. The people you are attempting to stand up for are not one of 'ours' as far as I know for that matter, including yourself. Even still, that wouldn't give someone a free pass from being criticized or negatively commented upon.

This IS the only safe place for us.

Is 'safety' an intent of this messageboard? Do you perceive this place as some kind of nursery for youngling Satanists?

Just the memory that you too,were there once.

What do you mean by "there"? There has never been a time or place for apathy when it comes to a Satanist's experience with The Satanic Bible, even more so when they first become realized, which is what I am getting at. Being ignorant of Satanic tenets or inexperience is an entirely different matter.

That there are FAR too few of us as it is......

Are you so sure?
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#100974 - 06/01/05 11:33 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Caesar]
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I see your points CaesarsGhost.

Proof is the key,the mindset spoken clear.

Yet, when there is doubt do we ask,or judge on unknowns instead? Is this any better than being lazy in pursuing understanding of the basic tenets?

And yes I am quite aware that there is no use in trying to squeeze blood from turnips-it's there, or it isn't.

I don't percieve this as being any sort of "'nursery".

In fact, I view it as a filter for the Elite. The strong will not dissapear from sight on being challenged,they will assimilate what is of use, and become even stronger.

And no, none of us is beyond reproach..That is the way of life,we will doubt until there is no need of it. And still doubt,even so.

It is our backbone, for without it we would be no better than the sheep.

Smiles, and I stand corrected,I hope there are MANY more of us than I imagine.
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#100975 - 06/02/05 01:39 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: IronCrafter]
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Yet, when there is doubt do we ask,or judge on unknowns instead? Is this any better than being lazy in pursuing understanding of the basic tenets?

It is not my intention to doubt or judge here. I am responding to what anyone else here is just as welcome to make comments on, which itself is open for discussion or debate . The context of this discussion was what led one to become a Satanist, which I perceive the poster to mean specifically, a Member of The Church of Satan (who else can rightfully call themselves a Satanist?). Along the way, comments were made that spoke of The Satanic Bible as if it were no more than confirmation, as if reading it were happenstance. I responded to that, and instead of indifference being denied, it was actually defended, which I find odd coming from anyone emphatically claiming to be a born Satanist.

Satanists are born naturally predisposed to live Satanically, but many of them I presume never realize themselves as such or as much as they could due to inhibiting circumstances or prevailing weakness. When such a one does discover Satanism as arranged, explained, and utilized in The Satanic Bible, it is truly something special to say the least...and how much more for them if and when they choose to pursue Membership in The Church of Satan, which Doktor LaVey also founded (and amazingly there are those who hold him in little regard as well).

The Satanic Bible is a book, but its truths, fantasies, teachings, mysteries, and everything else contained within it are supremely diabolical and more powerful than most can even begin to comprehend. It stands alone. It is incomparable. It is Excalibur unsheathed from the stone.

Happy Birthday, by the way
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#100976 - 06/02/05 07:47 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Caesar]
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Thank you for the clarification CaesarsGhost....

You grow ever more worthy in my eyes. I have seen you rise in rank since I have been here,and can well understand why. I too, plan on pursuing membership in the church,it is frustrating to me that I cannot do it as quickly as I would like.

As far as the Esteem that I hold Doktor Lavey in....I will only say this.... It will always be my greatest regret of the Church of Satan,that I never pursued membership long before now-and that I thereby lost the chance to experience him in the flesh.

And of all Satanists,he will ALWAYS be THE one, above all else, I will be predisposed to feel kindness for. Everyone else is going to have to *earn* that.

And thank you for the birthday greetings, I'm 46 today.
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#100977 - 06/02/05 07:53 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: TheLeX]
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Im not a satanist. Im just here to learn more about them as a group and individuals. To learn things that I can't in their Bible.




This board is not an online study course, nor an "aquarium" for people who want to "view" and "study" Satanists.

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#100978 - 06/02/05 08:31 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
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#100979 - 06/02/05 08:49 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Caesar]
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The Satanic Bible is a book, but its truths, fantasies, teachings, mysteries, and everything else contained within it are supremely diabolical and more powerful than most can even begin to comprehend. It stands alone. It is incomparable. It is Excalibur unsheathed from the stone.



That's really good. I like how you expressed it.
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#100980 - 06/02/05 08:55 AM The Satanic Bible. [Re: Caesar]
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While I really think you did an excellent job on clarifying the importance of The Satanic Bible, I'd like to add my own personal experience .

I can say with honesty that I learned alot from The Satanic Bible and I don't see anything wrong with that.

When I read The Satanic Bible, yes, it was very similar to what I thought my entire life while challenging anything that represented weakness in my life. It was through application that I realized I was born a Satanist. The sheep cannot be wolves. The Satanic Bible possesses the principles of nature. The strong and the clever are those who recognize these principles and exercise them in their lives. The strong are those who realize it is these very principles that lives in us, that flows in and through us. The weak will be dominated by those who exercise these very principles.
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#100981 - 06/02/05 11:51 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Old_Pig]
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Just to muddy the water up....
As is said over and over, Satanists are born, not made...or converted.
However, the "feeling" many acknowledge on reading the Satanic Bible I liken to having someone point out the proper places for those characteristics we have been carrying around. We may be born carnal, but there isn't usually a lot of guidance, if you will, concerning carnality. The Satanic Bible points out that it is normal...hang that coat here.
This is probably the hardest thing to explain to a non-Satanist, when they assume something caused you to "become a Satanist".
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#100982 - 06/02/05 03:38 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: TheLeX]
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Im not a satanist. Im just here to learn more about them as a group and individuals. To learn things that I can't in their Bible.




GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT and GO AWAY too.

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#100983 - 06/02/05 04:12 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: TheLeX]
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Im not a satanist. Im just here to learn more about them as a group and individuals. To learn things that I can't in their Bible.




Bye bye "sweety".

Come back when you have a clue.
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#100984 - 06/03/05 11:25 AM Re: just wondering.. [Re: Old_Pig]
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I didn't really mean "BANG! I'm a Satanist!" When I first read the Satanic Bible, it was like an incredible lighting bolt illuminating my life and challenging all that I ever learned as a Catholic. I hope I didn't come across as "Boo hoo... pity me, boo hoo..."
I was actually making more of a statement about how oppressive Catholicism is and how it can affect young, impressionable children. Of course, all humans are born carnal, but if you are raised under a religion that tries to stamp that out and makes you feel guilty for indulging in any carnal pleasures, it may be a little difficult to live a Satanic life. Nevertheless, I still "sinned" and I questioned my religion as a child. I found the Satanic Bible to be very enlightening. I never really was a good Catholic. Heh.
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#100985 - 06/03/05 08:08 PM Re: just wondering.. [Re: damnage]
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What lead you to becoming a satanist?




How can you become what you already are?

Perhaps the devil rocked my cradle...

Seriously though, perhaps I should expand on this. Whilst my knowledge and real world experience has increased exponentially since I was a very young child, I feel that my nature has remained, by and large, consistent. My instincts, urges and drives may have been honed or fine tuned, but the engine remains the same. I feel comfortable to "brand" that engine with the name "Satanism." If the glove fits and all that...
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