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#101020 - 05/19/05 12:45 AM "offensive" language
Hydroksyde Offline


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I was just contemplating why so many people are offended by so many "swear" or "curse" words. Personally, I have a problem with them when they are used as a direct attack on me, just as i would if i was insulted otherwise, but some people, whom i consider to be morons, seem to be offended just by the use of words, eg fuck. how the hell can anybody be offended by a word?
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#101021 - 05/19/05 12:50 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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It depends on the context.

If someone uses them continually, it gets distracting and annoying. I use them sparingly, and for dramatic effect.

Things overused lose thier meaning, and become mere cliches. As far as people being offended.....

Isn't that a thing you CHOOSE to do?

One's emotional self-control is extremely lacking if it's THAT easy to push your buttons.
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#101022 - 05/19/05 01:26 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: IronCrafter]
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I agree, I use to curse alot, more out of habit from teenage over use. I use them now normally when excited or upset. Sometimes to make things a little more humorous.

I don't get offended by curse words, but I do get annoyed if someone uses those words, every other word in every sentence.

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#101023 - 05/19/05 07:59 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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"Curse words" are linguistic illusions created by society. Just like the wide variety of gods, their power exists within the individual's mentality. People who are more self-enlightened are generally able to look past these words and get to the root of the message, though there does tend to be that "annoyance" when the word is over used or misused. People who are most confused or slaves to their society/religion tend to be literally afraid of these words: so much so that they'll create elaborate, money-sucking organizations to protect their offspring from ever hearing such a word even once (as if), rather than educating their young ones not to take the words to heart. Vulgarity is an important part of any language: in the proper contex, it serves its purpose, just like the word "pudding" or "bicycle". (shrug) And it's good for talking dirty.
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#101024 - 05/19/05 08:44 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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As Ironcrafter says, sparing usage creates far greater effect.
And, my peculiarly personal viewpoint, in my alter-ego as Deborah Ryder porn-novelist, I have to use every “naughty” word I can think of, and then some. Taking a break from that is a welcome relief. In LttD, this is Magda Graham, not Deborah Ryder.
Many years ago, I remember Grandmother saying: “use of foul language indicates a weak vocabulary”. Well, everyone has to be right occasionally. Even my Grandmother.
When my cat, Molly Midnight, strops her claws on the wallpaper …
Instead of: “you f------ little b------”
try: “you villainous vandalous varmint!”
She doesn’t take any notice of either, but “vvv” relieves my feelings so much more.
And it’s quite an artistic pattern of claw-marks.
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#101025 - 05/19/05 08:54 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: CWH]
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I agree, I use to curse alot, more out of habit from teenage over use. I use them now normally when excited or upset. Sometimes to make things a little more humorous.

I don't get offended by curse words, but I do get annoyed if someone uses those words, every other word in every sentence.




ooh rah, Marine. Swearing comes like an old hat in the military a lot of times, esp. in combat MOS's. I've been out for almost 4 years and still am too liberal with my "fucks".

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#101026 - 05/19/05 09:19 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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Its just like how it is ok for clack people to call each other by the "N" word but as soon as a white person uses it everyone hisses. Its not just curse words people are afraid of. Peoples are being worried about not being politically correct so the reword things to that it would be "less offensive"

I know in the city of Guelph if you say "retarded" or "gay" people will look at you funny, such offensive words are shunned in the politically correct city, we must use words such as "Intillectually impaired" or "Homosexual"

Changing the word doesn't change the problem. Give it a few years and some rap singer will make up a new curse word like "Shunk" or something. Out comes the angry mommies trying to protect their little darlings from such foul language. "Oh hes such a bad influence for inventing such harsh language"

Just like how people sugar coat their problems by making the words sound better. They are afriad their problems will get worse if the words sound more harsh.
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#101027 - 05/19/05 09:59 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Lich]
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I work in an evironment where cursing is as wide spread as breathing.
I don't even realize how much I curse until somebody points it out to me. And that somebody usually is not a person I normally hang around with. My friends and coworkers curse just as much, if not more, than I do. So it is never noticed.

Now I can, when needed, control my language. I just find that I don't need it very much.

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#101028 - 05/19/05 10:37 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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It really depends on how they are used, I hate people who constantly swear, I really think that a constant stream of curse words is dumb and comes from a lack of ability to communicate. It's very easy to start swearing but it takes more thought to use your language wisely and make up something good instead.
Sure I curse when something goes wrong, but if I am angry at someone I just try to out-talk them, that usually pisses them of far faster then swearing and it makes them look stupid.
A word like 'fuck' doesn't annoy me at all but when they call me a cancerous -insert random word- it pisses me of royally. It's the direct attack that annoys me and the constant use of those words, an occasional 'fuck' doesn't really surprise me.

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#101029 - 05/19/05 11:03 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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how the hell can anybody be offended by a word?
"Becouse their fathers father, and father of their fathers father have all done so, same path their sons come." Most common answer when asked why it offens someone, it is not proper language(no true reason be offended becouse of it). I agree whit them, its not proper language, instead, I personally choose to use instead fucking fucker, words bastard, rat, dog(in finnish of course) etc.. And when I for example fall in stair, I use words like satan(and few other names), hell, shaishe(don't know how be writen, but its shit in german), and well, fuck, its easy to say(all odf these of course in finnish). and, already said but when someone use many times same word, it lose its meaning
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#101030 - 05/19/05 11:07 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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"how the hell can anybody be offended by a word?"

You are right. Well personally the thing that makes me burn inside, is not the word itself, but the vibe of this word..But well, if a lamb "feed" you with that, it's so easy to use this energy to burn his wool....heh.

Hail the goat!
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#101031 - 05/19/05 11:21 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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...why so many people are offended by so many "swear" or "curse" words.

...how the hell can anybody be offended by a word?




I think the answer is that primarily curse words are a show of disrespect and that disturbs/annoys most people.

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#101032 - 05/19/05 11:50 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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First, it's all perspective. What people are you letting decide for you what's a "swear" word?
Overuse of those words neither intimidate me nor impress me, in fact they get boring after constant repetition.

If you filter out all the "fuck"s, "motherfucker"s, and "goddamn"s in some people's vocabularies or lyrics, you find they really aren't saying much at all. These people could stand to crack open a dictionary or thesaurus for a little originality and creativity.

Second, as Ironcrafter said, they can be useful if used sparingly and with force and purpose behind the meaning.
In other words, if you are going to use them, put the curse back into "curse" words. Make them count.
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#101033 - 05/19/05 01:15 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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Quote:

how the hell can anybody be offended by a word?




That's an easy question to answer. They are offended because they want to be offended. Members of the herd often crave outrage and/or humiliation. Why? I'll tell you why, it is because they are so out of touch with their own emotions that they will pursue most any oppurtunity to get an emotional rise out of themselves. They are simply incapable of experiencing their emotions without inhibition at will.

I must admit that I find constant swearing, i.e. when all adjectives are replaced by a curse word, to be very annoying. It shows a lack of knowledge of the English language, or whatever other language a person might be using, to say nothing of a lack of creativity. While I do use curse words for dramatic effect or when I become angry, I find that listening to a person whose every other word is a curse word to be tedious.

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#101034 - 05/19/05 04:11 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Lich]
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OHH RAH!!! Ha! You got me, I curse like a.....Marine. I can't hide it. (Laughs)

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#101035 - 05/19/05 05:05 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: MagdaGraham]
Hydroksyde Offline


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When my cat, Molly Midnight, strops her claws on the wallpaper …
Instead of: “you f------ little b------”
try: “you villainous vandalous varmint!”





Must be a bit of a pain trying to come up with new words every time your cat breaks something. Nice name (for the cat) btw. Next time I get a cat, I think I'll call it satan.
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#101036 - 05/19/05 05:14 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I just wonder what words those who fucking swear all the time and shit? use to express anger, emphasize sexual context, deliberately offend somebody, etc. I use controlled swear words, they are not a habit in my vocabulary, if I´m caught using them, there´s something wrong, unless I´m using them in a sexual context. I´m not offended however by other´s over-usage of them, I just don´t relate.

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#101037 - 05/19/05 05:19 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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Beats the fuck outta me!
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#101039 - 05/19/05 05:48 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Mike_Hargis]
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Me too. No swearing would pretty much ruin the only two TV shows I care to watch anymore. "Deadwood" and "The Sopranos". The rest of the time we only use our TV to watch DVDs.


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#101040 - 05/19/05 06:02 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: ]
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Don't get me wrong, I "curse" to, but in front of an appropriate audience!




I have to agree with Ravenheal.
Your vocabulary plays a big part of Lesser Magic, and there's a time and place for it. Who in their right mind interviews a guttermouth for an office position and says "You're the guy! Can you start Monday?"

Don't get me wrong, I can fling curses (not only in English but Spanish & Italian as well!) with the best of 'em, and the only time I deem it offensive is when it's inappropriate, like yelling at a kid, for example.

Hearing it on tv or a movie is no biggie because it's a reflection of real life. Sometimes a well-placed "F-Word" can make the dialogue even funnier!
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#101042 - 05/19/05 06:22 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I personally have NO problem with them.
Its just a word, what makes those so special?
maybe if i could go back in time, and choose some goofy word and use it enough, would it be censored on tv, or considered offensive.
But, different person, Different opinion.
Since they ARE considered offisive though, i do find it wrong if i hear some kid tryin to cuss me out.
I dont really curse that often, but when i do, it comes in mass quantities
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#101043 - 05/19/05 07:39 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Mallamun]
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"Curse words" are linguistic illusions created by society. Just like the wide variety of gods, their power exists within the individual's mentality. People who are more self-enlightened are generally able to look past these words and get to the root of the message, though there does tend to be that "annoyance" when the word is over used or misused. People who are most confused or slaves to their society/religion tend to be literally afraid of these words: so much so that they'll create elaborate, money-sucking organizations to protect their offspring from ever hearing such a word even once (as if), rather than educating their young ones not to take the words to heart. Vulgarity is an important part of any language: in the proper contex, it serves its purpose, just like the word "pudding" or "bicycle". (shrug) And it's good for talking dirty.


I love your answer. I think you have a great Satanic perspective to the topic.
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#101044 - 05/19/05 10:35 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Old_Pig]
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I second that.

We should remember that only a century or so ago, "leg" was considered a nasty word and concept---to the point where stockings were put on piano legs!

Nowadays, even most Christian youths will say "crap."

Language is ever-evolving--in the culture, as well as inside our very heads.
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#101045 - 05/19/05 11:10 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: TrojZyr]
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Hmm,coining new and interesting curse words.

I think perhaps I will use a synthesis to coin a new word for the Satanic Lexicon.

How about this?

How does the word "Ditztian" strike you?

Ring any bells?
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#101046 - 05/19/05 11:31 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: IronCrafter]
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Ditzy Christian maybe??
thats all i can think of
how bout
Blasptian
they all seem that way to me...
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#101047 - 05/19/05 11:51 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: damnage]
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Grins


Maybe I should just wander off and do a painting of a sheep made out of money. I will title it THE PASTOR'S DREAM.
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#101048 - 05/20/05 12:36 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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People who have hang-ups about curse words are motherfuckers who should take a shit and a piss, then the cunts should go fuck themselves, the goddamn cocksuckers.

My tits are itchy.
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#101049 - 05/20/05 12:49 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: gypsy]
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On the word FUCK

Yes I know it's been posted before.

Don't wait for loading, just clic play.
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#101050 - 05/20/05 04:18 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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Molly Midnight doesn’t break things very often.
Actually it’s fun thinking of new expostulations. Words are, after all, my stock-in-trade.
May I suggest that calling an animal Satan is not a good idea. Don’t be obvious. Choose a title for your pet that makes the sheeple say: “what a beautiful/interesting name!” Then enjoy hearing them saying it without understanding.
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#101051 - 05/20/05 06:58 AM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: ]
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Just like the "French man" in the Matrix said: "cursing in French is like wiping your ass with silk."

"Putain d'enculée de merde a la con..."

I love to tell some one who pissed me off to do pound sand in French , the best part being their thanks when i'm done...
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#101052 - 05/20/05 07:00 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: gypsy]
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Then scratch the "fuck" out of them...

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#101053 - 05/20/05 07:04 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: IronCrafter]
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I think this is a wonderful new word and we should add it to our vocabulary.
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#101054 - 05/20/05 07:22 AM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: Remorazz]
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Sop what are you saying???

Shit, Fuck, bitch, cunt....should be the same as saying, doo doo, sex, female dog, vagina?????

NO!!!!!!!!!!! I'm kidding!!!

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#101055 - 05/20/05 07:29 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: gypsy]
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Why are there so many on-screen misspellings in that little movie, I wonder?

It distracts me from its overall hilarity.
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#101056 - 05/20/05 08:16 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: MagistraNadramia]
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MagistraNadramia
There is a much better version out somewhere in cyberspace; I'll be dammed if I could find it. I googled and googled and came up with well nada.

I'm sure someone around here has a link.
I'm guessing Bill_M does.

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#101057 - 05/20/05 04:02 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: IronCrafter]
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VERY well put.
nothing makes me more happy then to see things like that said without fear
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#101058 - 05/20/05 04:31 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: ]
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I have kids too, I still curse around them. Then teach them what they can and can not say. They will always learn it from some where. Especially if you are going to take them to school.

Example, the one word that I don't say, "nigger". My kid heard it from my babysitters son, who learned it from school. The first time I heard him say it, I was in a grocery store, he yelled, "You nigger!!!" I was unhappy to say the least, but since I had taught him not to say so many other words, it was easy to teach him.

I have a nephew, that got taught certain words like "dumb" and "stupid" where curse words. One day I said some thing using one of these forbidden words. I don't remember what it was, but it was a normal every day word. Nothing is more annoying then a four year old telling me what I can and can not say.

I tell me kids, that these are adult words. We've had lots of adult versus kid discussions. My three year old son seems to think he can drive my car. "Mommy, I want to drive home!"

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#101059 - 05/20/05 04:57 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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What I think is interesting, is how the people that are offended by "fuck". Seem to have no problem having you replace the word with "fudge". What is the difference when it is used in the same context? "I want to fudge you." As long as the person knows about the word that is replaced the meaning is still the same.

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#101060 - 05/20/05 06:53 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: gypsy]
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Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke! The fuckin' bastards!
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#101061 - 05/20/05 06:56 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: gypsy]
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Quote:

I'm sure someone around here has a link.
I'm guessing Bill_M does.



If he doesn't have it, it probably doesn't exist!
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#101062 - 05/20/05 08:05 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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There is a chapter devoted to this subject in the book "Quantum Psychology" by Robert Anton Wilson. The chapter is called "How George Carlin made history. It discusses how the FCC has seven illegal words that can not be used in the media. For educational purposes I will include them: 1. shit 2. Piss 3. fuck 4. cunt 5. cocksucker 6. Mother fucker 7. Tits.
The article points out, that many Soap Operas base their story lines daily on subjects that these words incorporate, but the words themselves are changed to a form accepted by the Comrades at the FCC. i.e Breasts, urination, fornication, Making love, having sex, feces, and so on.
Interesting to note is that when I ran a spell check on this entry, about five out of those words came up as Mis-spelled, though non of the alternatives the dictionary gave had anything to do with the words writen.
At least I spelled Piss and Tits right. Who says having an education doesn't pay?

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#101063 - 05/20/05 09:43 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: VKat]
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Hmmmmm, "I want to fudge you" sounds, um, kinky...

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#101064 - 05/20/05 10:36 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I don´t believe in offensive language.

Offensive PEOPLE , on the other hand, is another matter entirely.
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#101065 - 05/21/05 10:19 AM fuck [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I think it's interesting that "fuck" wasn't really a vulgar word way back when, but then became vulgar late in the 18th century.
This little excerpt from "Word and Phrase Origins" is quite interesting to me.
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fuck. Originally a quite acceptable word, fuck was recorded in a English dictionary as early as John Florio's A World of Words (1598). The word doesn't derive from the police blotter entry "[booked] for unlawful carnal knowledge," as some people still believe. Our word for the act of sexual connection may remotely come from the Latin for the same, futuere, but most probably is from the Old German [i[ficken/fucken, "to strike or penetrate," which had the slang meaning "to copulate." As Partridge points out, the German word is almost certainly related to the Latin words for pugilish, puncture, and prick, through the root pug, which goes back to prehistoric times. Before fuck came into English in the late 15th century - its first recorded use is in 1503 - swyve was the verb most commonly used for fucking. Fuck began to become more rare in print in the 18th century when human experience began to be disguised behind a "veil of decency," and the last dictionary it was recorded in up until recent time is Francis Grose's Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue (1785), in the form of f**k. The great O.E.D. banned it, just as it banned cunt (but not prick, for some reason), and this made the word's acceptance all the harder. Though great writers like D. H. Lawrence, James Joyce, and Henry Miller tried to restore fuck to its proper place in print, it wasn't until 1960 that Grove Press in American won a court case that permitted publishers to print fuck legally for the first time in centuries. The book containing the word was D. H. Lawrence's Lady Chatterley's Lover, written in 1928.




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#101066 - 05/21/05 06:12 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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Just tell all those fucking fuckers that people should fucking swear all they fucking want, for fuck's sake. Fuck.
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#101067 - 05/21/05 07:55 PM A proverb. [Re: YoungSoulRebel]
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#101068 - 05/22/05 06:02 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: ]
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Some of "us" have kids.
There is nothing more dispicable, than a foul mouthed child. There have been many times where I have reprimanded other peoples kids, teenagers, and even...."adults" for using such language at the two parks that I commonly take my son to.

Don't get me wrong, I "curse" to, but in front of an appropriate audience!




I have no problem at all swearing in front of children. I wholeheartedly dissagree with the whole "protect the children" bullshit. Why delay the inevitable? The kids are going to eventually learn the words anyway!

I will save the rest of my thoughts on "protecting children from reality" for now, as this is not the appropriate thread for it.
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#101069 - 05/22/05 06:40 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: False_Messiah78]
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I try not to cuss like a sailor around a child, not because I don't want to damage their pure little minds or anything like that, but because I don't want them to pick up any bad habits. Small children pick up habits very easily, particularly if those habits offend or bother adults, and they don't easily catch on to things like context and class/image.

In my experience, most of the people who have been nonchalant about really swearing in front of their kids (not just "hell" "crap" and "damn," mind you) have been boorish and slimy as individuals. Usually, they're rednecks, or the equivalent. They're thoughtless individuals, and their willingness to blah blah fuck blah in front of practically anyone, anytime reflects their obliviousness. I try to identify what is that makes their conduct so disgusting, and then I don't imitate it.

The more hardcore obscenities carry whole stories, worldviews, and meanings behind them. "Fuck," whore," "cunt," etc. A smaller kid can't appreciate and can't understand the whole enchilada of connotations and meanings that lies behind these sorts of terms, and some of the concepts are a bit above them until they reach a certain age or level of maturity. Even if you don't mind a kid swearing, he'll probably swear around someone else who will, and he may misuse a term in a way that gets him into trouble with another person.

I remember I became fond of the word "pervert" as a 5th grader, and I knew it meant a sick jerk, but I didn't *really* get the more sophisticated meaning, so I kept referring to other people I didn't like as "perverts." I sounded dumb or weird, I could've gotten some generic jerks into a different kind of trouble than they deserved, and my strange use of language may have reflected badly upon my parents. Not an obscenity, mind you, but I think it reflects something I'm trying to get at here.

That being said, you needn't tiptoe around children, either. There's no need for hyper-vigilance or paranoia, nor is there a need for melodrama or freaking out. If they hear you swear once, then they hear you swear. If they repeat a swear they've heard, then that's what's happened.
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#101070 - 05/22/05 07:12 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I'm rather fond of "minge custard".

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#101071 - 05/22/05 10:03 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: False_Messiah78]
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In my opinion anyone that uses colorful langauge is truly unable to communicate. I will not take anyone who uses foul langauge seriously.

Heck, I was in the military and every other word that marines say is "f*k". I did I cuss, sometimes when I slipped up, but I made sure my vocabulary was filtered from those types of words. It is unprofessional, disrepectful, and idiotic. Sure they are just words and nothing more, but in the long run it is benefical to me to avoid those words.

Unless it is done in good humor, I can enjoy that.

My opinion of course.
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#101072 - 05/22/05 10:20 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I believe that the words themselves aren't offensive, but merely the context in which they are commonly used. If one was to address me as a "cracker" or even a fucker in a friendly tone I would take no offense, unless others were around whom I would demand respect from. Many people seem to use this language without realizing that they are unnecessarily offending someone around them. To make enemies in such a blind and foolish fashion is unwise, and it is the sort of people who use this language in the above context that have given a bad name to the language in general. No one wants to be associated with idiotic behavior.
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#101074 - 05/23/05 09:23 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: gypsy]
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I personally dont believe in cursing. I think it's fucking rediculous.. Oh shit,,, I just cursed... FUCK!!! did it again... oh what the hell.
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#101075 - 05/23/05 09:26 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: NiteWraith]
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Yeah what the HELL FUCKING curse all you damn want to! LOL

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#101076 - 05/26/05 07:51 PM Freshmen! >.> [Re: Hydroksyde]
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Well, I never really get offended by any swear words so much as I get just... downright annoyed with them. Understand, I'm in High School. I'm a Senior right now, will graduate in a few days...
When I walk around the school, I hear a lot of underclassmen retell stories of, I dunno, some... kinda party or something, and they seem to think swear words are the most vivid words to use when retelling a story. It eats at my nerves when I hear a cuss used stupidly, incorrectly, loudly, half-whisperingly, or just... way too much.

"I went to Jake's party the other day. It was fucking tight. Yeah, and that bitch, Krissy, she fucking brough fucking beer, man, and I was fucking like, "what the fuck, that is so fucking awesome!" and everyone was just... fucking standing around fucking drinking and Tim was like, fucking hammered, dude. So, then the fucking cops came and we were like "shit!" and all fucking ran like hell! It was such a fucking cool party!"

Sorry to stereotype, but I gotta. Most of the people I hear do that, are indeed freshman, and the ones with cracking voices and all that fun stuff too. I've heard older kids do it too, of course, just, significantly fewer of them.

Seriously, though. If it doesn't come naturally, don't say it. You sound stupid if you do.

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#101077 - 05/27/05 11:05 AM Introduction! [Re: Kaahi]
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#101078 - 05/28/05 05:03 AM Really Offensive Language. [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I realise that you brought up 'swear' words as the focus of
what it is that has the potential for being offensive. What is
very offensive to me is the use of "you know what I mean",
"you know what I'm saying", "I mean..." and "like".

I have heard people say "you know what I mean?" after every
other sentence they use. Do they think that I am too stupid
to know what they are saying? Are they so diction-impaired
that they have to constantly test to see if others can
comprehend them? You know what I'm saying?

It grates my nerves when I hear these things. And, why start
off a sentence by saying "I mean..."? Are you afraid that
someone might think you are saying something that
someone else means? Were you telling me something you
didn't mean before?

"Like, I mean.... you know...." No, I don't fucking know. The
abillity to use spoken language has evolved over how many
thousands of years only to decay into the modern equivalent
of grunts and groans? As far as I am concerned, swear as
much as you want! Just don't string together barely coherent
sentences and end them with "you know what I mean" over
and over again and expect me to take you seriously.

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#101079 - 05/28/05 07:31 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: RandomStranger]
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You really struck a chord with me!
Thank you for posting this.
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#101080 - 05/28/05 07:55 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: RandomStranger]
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Indeed!

My additions would be these forms of address, invariably from those half who are of half my age, one third my life experience, and one fourth my intelligence.

"Dude"
"Bro"
"Homes" or "Homie"

(That last should not be confused with the homophonous "Holmes", a witty and sarcastic reference to Sherlock - acceptable if I've said something rather obvious and deserve it.)

"Sir" works fine for me... it was slightly unnerving when I was younger, but I've come to enjoy it.

My literal biological siblings are allowed to call me "bro" - but just barely.


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#101081 - 05/28/05 08:08 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: RandomStranger]
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Don't talk to my mom ever. She is the absolute worst for that. Everytime I listen to her on the phone I just want to smack her. My boyfriend and I were in the living room trying to count how many times she said "you know" while she was having a phone conversation. After one minute she said "you know" 24 times. Sometimes she says "Ya know type o thing."

I find it even more offensive when people talk too loud. When there is no need for it. The type of loud where you can hold the phone a meter away,the volume is set to low, you can still hear them perfectly clearly and you already told them to quiet down. The other night (midnight) I was trying to sleep and I had to get up the next day at five for work, and all I can hear is my sister yapping down the hall. My mom and I both told her to quiet down three times each and she still talked too loud.

What annoys me the most is when people start off telling a story of their day and they think you actually don't know what a whats-it is or hows-it-done, so they start explaining it in extreme lamens terms as though I am an idiot, side trailing from the actual story, even though I tell them "I know how to do an oil change you don't have to explain it to me." or "I know what a ______ looks like."

And then there are the people who start talking to you about their character in such n' such a video game that you never heard about on a system you don't own. These people seem to think that everyone has played this video game and everyone cares about their character's stats. So they start talking to me without telling me which game it is, and going on as though I know as much about the game as they do. "I got up to 64 expierence multiplier, and I opened a demon gate where you had to be fat to get in and I have red stuff trailing behind me because my alignment is at 100% evil..."
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#101082 - 05/28/05 10:35 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: tovasshi]
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I haven’t a clue about video games (I only have time to play Freecell), but, if someone talks about 100% evil, you should be able to have some fun there.
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#101083 - 05/28/05 12:08 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: fiftythirdspirit]
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Fudge face. I agree with two things so far. 1. Words aren't ofensive, people are. 2. The only people who are offended by sounds, are insecure about themselves. (Read ASL on Humor.)
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#101084 - 05/28/05 12:14 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: Discipline]
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--- Sure they are just words and nothing more

They are more. Overall, words can be implications, of, say, (as you pointed out) intelligence. Inarticulate people really do have a small vocabulary. The smarter caveman invented a wheel. The others juyst made wicked sounds and banged on tree's. = Intelligent men in the 20th century wrote books. The unintelligent ones decided that they could do nothing better than be a gunnery sgt and say fuck a lot. (No implication was intended when the title of gunnery was implicated.)
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#101085 - 05/28/05 12:23 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: TrojZyr]
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I don't swear around my child, or other peoples children, for only one reason. "They" find it unacceptible, and so I don't want to be pinned as the bad guy for teaching their children something, "Wrong, evil or bad."

Language is language. The words were invented, and still being perfected, to express ones self. "We put emotions and actions in to words for a reason." It was pointed out, that a slip up or accident, like falling from a tree house, will result in someone expressing themselves with words like, "Oh shit, I just *weeze* fell out of that fucking tree house." when asked what happened. Or when they are asked if they are ok, "Fuck no, *cough* call an ambulance."

Personally I find it cute when my child expresses herself, after being nipped by her puppy, "Goddamn dog." Other people may not, but she means it when she says it, and you can hear the emotion in her tone. She doesn't go around all day fucking and damning everything just for the sake of saying goddamn or fuck, and there is the difference between her and most others who damn and fuck a certain incident.

I prefer she use her 'big girl words' and be articulate, also, it can show class and tact to watch your mouth.

There is the difference again. I don't expect a proffesional speech from my daughter when she gets nipped by her puppy. "Why puppy, I feel that what you have done was harmful to me. I did not like it very much, so please, try to contain your playfulness to a level which will not bring harm to me any longer. Ow." Not only will she be bitten another 50 times before she is finished, but "Goddamned dog" does just fine. At the right tone, the puppy usually stops nipping.


This is a dumb ass discussion. lol.
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#101086 - 05/28/05 12:29 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: VKat]
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I think that some people are too soft with their children. Example, "These are adult things, they aren't for kids." Such as driving.

When my 3 year old asked me to drive home, I told her no. She asked why, and so I told her I would show her why children can't drive when we get home. I popped in a VHS of Faces of Death where I child stole his pappys car, and walla! she understand why children cannot drive, or go near a road with cars moving for that matter.

I am very honest with my child. She understand life, and death, and has no problem with either.

"Daughter, you can't go near roads." "Why not?" "Look there. Do you see that big machine comming towards us?" "Yea." "Yea, well if you get in front of it, it will swuish you flat, and that will be the end of it." "Oh, ok. I want to stay near the house then."

Much better and doesn't leave room for, what I call, stupid curiosity later on. "They said don't feed the bears, but, "That is for adults" doesn't make any sense. I'll go see for myself then." If the child had been shown what would happen if someone small enough to get through bars in a bears den, there would be no issue or misunderstanding.
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#101087 - 05/28/05 01:08 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: man_mind]
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Good job. My dad was the same way, he was honest. My mom bitched at him a lot for telling me the truth, but he simply just said I was going to learn it sooner than later.

For example, at the tender age of eight I was watching Beavis and Butthead with my dad and Beavis kept going on about being the great cornholeo. My dad was laughing but I didn't understand so I asked him what cornhole meant. That was the day I learned about anal sex.
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#101088 - 05/29/05 01:41 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: Quaark]
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Quote:

Indeed!

My additions would be these forms of address, invariably from those half who are of half my age, one third my life experience, and one fourth my intelligence.

"Dude"
"Bro"
"Homes" or "Homie"




Well said. May I add the skin-crawling appellation "Dawg" to the pile of verbal compost?
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#101089 - 05/29/05 08:43 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: Quaark]
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...people still use those words?

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#101090 - 05/29/05 12:58 PM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: tovasshi]
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Somebody really start to talk about videogames? And keep talking, even after you show no intrest?

It that is problem, start to talk about your own hobbies. For example I could say:
"yeah, you know, I tried oi-tsuki -mae-geri -mawashi-geri -gyaku-tsuki - kubi-nage in fight, but well, you know how well gyaku-tsuki and kubi-nage work together so opponent saw my kubi-nage attempt and did mawashi-tsuki - harai-goshi and ended fight to lock 4"

If this someone who you are talking whit is closer to human than ape, he/she should be able see that you don't understand what he/she is talking about.
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#101091 - 05/29/05 01:49 PM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: oggi]
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Trying to change the subject often doesn't for some of these people. All they know is video games so they will only talk about what they know. So I usually just keep at what I am doing and let them yak away while I think about bubbles and fluffy things.

A lot of guys don't take me seriously because I have good genetics. I tried having a conversation with one guy and I was interupted with "You are so damn beautiful." and then I left the table. There is nothing more offensive than to have an intelligent coversation interupted by a zit faced geek with a stiffy. The girls arn't all that much better, I am sick of hearing about shoes.
For once I would like to talk to someone about having a loose ferrule and not get a dirty look.
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#101092 - 05/29/05 06:47 PM Re: "Dude". [Re: Quaark]
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Dude, are those of us who, like, started growing up in the '80's still allowed to use, "Dude?" Or would it still be, like, totally bogus?
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#101093 - 05/29/05 06:53 PM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: tovasshi]
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Damn, you're cute! I'm sorry...what were you saying, again?
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#101094 - 05/31/05 08:52 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: Mike_Hargis]
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Haha.
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#101095 - 05/31/05 07:26 PM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: RandomStranger]
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Along the same lines, the phrase that really gets me is when people say, "to be honest with you". You mean you weren't being honest before???



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#101096 - 05/31/05 11:21 PM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: MagdaGraham]
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You're very welcome.

The way people convey their thoughts verbally (those who are
able to, that is) says quite a bit about themselves, even if they
aren't talking directly themselves

It is also another good mechanism to sort one's self out
of the masses.

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#101097 - 06/01/05 12:29 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: dragondancer]
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when I say that, I generally have been dishonest

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#101098 - 06/01/05 03:36 PM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: dragondancer]
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"Don't take this the wrong way..." "No offense but..."
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#101099 - 06/01/05 04:18 PM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: tovasshi]
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"I'm not prejudiced or nothing but..."
(And then go on to say something that would make David Duke blush)
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#101100 - 06/01/05 05:52 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: Discipline]
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In my opinion anyone that uses colorful langauge is truly unable to communicate. I will not take anyone who uses foul langauge seriously.

Heck, I was in the military and every other word that marines say is "f*k". I did I cuss, sometimes when I slipped up, but I made sure my vocabulary was filtered from those types of words. It is unprofessional, disrepectful, and idiotic. Sure they are just words and nothing more, but in the long run it is benefical to me to avoid those words.

Unless it is done in good humor, I can enjoy that.

My opinion of course.



Sorry, but I can't take someone whom judges others based solely on thier vocabulary seriously.

I derive not a small portion of my income by being able to articulatly communicate concepts, but when I am "hanging out" you wouldn't be able to fuckin' tell.

Although having been in the service myself I can see how one could become burned out on foul language, and find themselves annoyed by it's over use.

I think the vocab police amoungst us would find thier time better spent worrying about the bastardization of the English language which has gained an over abundance of momentum in the last ten years with the increasing popularity of urban music.

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#101101 - 06/01/05 05:55 PM Re: "Dude". [Re: Mike_Hargis]
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Dude, are those of us who, like, started growing up in the '80's still allowed to use, "Dude?" Or would it still be, like, totally bogus?



Dude is still very common and "in" slang. Now using the word "like" twice in a scentence? Well dude, like that went out of style like 5 years ago.

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#101102 - 06/01/05 06:01 PM Re: "Dude". [Re: FireStarter]
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Dude, are those of us who, like, started growing up in the '80's still allowed to use, "Dude?" Or would it still be, like, totally bogus?



Dude is still very common and "in" slang. Now using the word "like" twice in a scentence? Well dude, like that went out of style like 5 years ago.




Like.. TOTALLY, dude!
(I think "dude" is now a permanent part of our vernacular.)

But don't you think the Scooby Doo movies are bringing the double "likes" back in style?
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#101103 - 06/01/05 06:09 PM Re: "Dude". [Re: Mike_Hargis]
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Actually, the one place I have recently enjoyed hearing the word "dude" in, was in the movie "Finding Nemo", by the sea-turtle Crush - whose voice was played by the movie producer himself.

Since he was unable to find any voice actors who could do the whole turtle-surfer thing to his satisfaction, he did that character's voice himself, and quite well.

But unless you're an animated sea-turtle - generally, no.

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#101104 - 06/01/05 06:17 PM Re: "Dude". [Re: Quaark]
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But unless you're an animated sea-turtle - generally, no.




No offense, but to be perfectly honest, I only use "Dude" when it's totally inappropriate, like when I'm talking to my mom, know what I mean? .....


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#101105 - 06/04/05 02:17 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I rarely use swear words, mainly because my vocabulary is sophisticated enough that I can think of words that are much more creative and descriptive to use to express myself. I feel that using swear words are unprofessional. When other people use swear words repeatedly, I can’t help but laugh a little, as I cannot take these people seriously. Also, these types remind me of all the cliques of “cool kids” who used swear words and all these strange slang terms (that they got from who knows where) repeatedly, who were also the ones who wore all the latest fads and were consumed by herd mentality. It’s fine to use a swear word every now and then when it is necessary, or in jokes where it is necessary, but an over usage just shows a lack of individual character, vocabulary, and also a lack of respect.
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#101106 - 06/08/05 12:42 AM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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In certain cases and contexts, cursing just for the sake of using a million curse words makes it seem like the person is either rambling, running out of valuable words to say, or is pissed off at something. However, I think that cursing can really be beneficial in certain cases to emphasize certain sentences and statements, get an idea or point across firmly, or to release an expression of what he or she is truly feeling inside.

In the end, I have no problem with cursing. I curse at least ten times a day, some cases less, others more. However, I do not curse for no particular reason at all, and especially not frequently in the workplace because I don't want to get fired because I wanted to feel better by blurting out a four letter word.

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#101107 - 06/08/05 06:27 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: tovasshi]
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I am amused by the sort of people that use at least one curse word in every sentence, especially if they don't realise how stupid it sounds to others... They are probably too stupid to know consequences of sounding stupid...
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#101108 - 06/09/05 07:54 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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Well, I frequently curse at someone. But it's not because I don't know what to say anymore. For example, if someone says something which I totally disagree with, or which offends me personally, I say my opinion to this person, and a "fuck off" behind, just to emphasize my feelings

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#101109 - 06/09/05 07:57 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: ThrashinHellslut]
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Well, I frequently curse at someone. But it's not because I don't know what to say anymore. For example, if someone says something which I totally disagree with, or which offends me personally, I say my opinion to this person, and a "fuck off" behind, just to emphasize my feelings




How do you say "Fuck off" in German?

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#101110 - 06/09/05 08:21 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: CWH]
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Well, I frequently curse at someone. But it's not because I don't know what to say anymore. For example, if someone says something which I totally disagree with, or which offends me personally, I say my opinion to this person, and a "fuck off" behind, just to emphasize my feelings




How do you say "Fuck off" in German?




We say here "Fick dich". But also we use much anglicisms here (not everyone, well..), so I often say just "fuck off"

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#101111 - 07/01/05 11:38 AM Re: Freshmen! >.> [Re: Kaahi]
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You totally fucking nailed it.

I tend to really swear when fatigued, excited, or angry, or when conveying a very strong point. I use milder obscenities like "crap" and "hell" and "damn" more frequently. I tone it down--or even, bring it up a notch--depending on who I'm talking to and what the objective is.

I also listen to how other people talk, so I can get clues as to who they are, hence the importance of making a good impression.
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#101112 - 10/08/06 11:45 AM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: dragondancer]
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I have no problem with those who use curse words. What I have a problem with is those that use them every 2 seconds. I also want to touch base with what Random stranger stated: I HAVE A BIG problem with people who use terms such as 'you know what I'm sayin'? and words like well, 'like' like, I like went to the like mall yesterday........

THAT bothers me.

I don't like the English language being put on a lower level ie. ebonics.

George Carlin (one of my all time favorite comedians) has a list of such phrases as the ones we are seeing in this thread that bother him too as far as the English language and 'catch phrases' are concerned. You might find listening to his act quite comical.

In any event, as stated I have no problem with curse words. Do you as you wish. Will I take you seriously if you use curse words VERY often when there are far more beautiful and elaborate words to describe that of which you mean? Not probable. However, these words do not, nor have they ever offended me.

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#101113 - 10/08/06 02:20 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: G.F.V.]
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I curse my computer at work.

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#101114 - 10/08/06 02:31 PM Cursing like a 'trooper. [Re: CWH]
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In the Paras, there was somebody I knew who inserted "fuck" so much into what he said that it was comical.

"And then the fucking mortars will create fucking medium-sized explosions in that fucking location"

Wait a minute... Fucking medium-sized? What kind of a superlative is that? It's like saying something is really, really medium-sized.

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#101115 - 10/08/06 02:40 PM Like / you know / etc [Re: Evil_Eve]
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"I mean, it's like, Monday tomorrow, yeah?"

Will generally get a response from Me something along the lines of "It's not just like Monday tomorrow, it actually is Monday tomorrow".

"You know", isn't so much a bugbear with Me. It generally isn't something that I don't know.

However, using "you" when one means "one" is a bugbear with Me.

"I mean, you just get so depressed when things are like that, and you don't know what to do".

This, I find to be truly offensive language. It may be the case that you get depressed when things are like that and you don't know what to do, but don't include Me in this!

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#101116 - 10/08/06 03:41 PM Re: Like / you know / etc [Re: Linguascelesta]
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You know, like, that is totally fucked up.



Seriously though, I agree about the difference between "you" and "one".

I, personally, am guilty of rampant double negatives and I constantly misuse the word, "ironic"... I find this irritates people to no end and yet I just can't not do it...

And I have never heard "bugbear" before! How marvelous!
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#101117 - 10/08/06 04:37 PM Re: Really Offensive Language. [Re: Evil_Eve]
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I agree with Evil_Eve.

A well-placed expletive seldomly used can have a great affect to what you are trying to convey. When you overuse them, you dilute their affect. If I said "Shut the fuck up!", I would want that to carry a sense of totality, as if to say "You have struck my last nerve. Tread carefully." Now, if I said that every time I wanted a little peace and quiet, it would have less impact where it was really in order. Even worse, when you overuse profanity, you demonstrate that you are not capable of much forethought in what you want to say.

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#101118 - 10/09/06 11:46 AM Re: Freshmen! >.> [Re: Kaahi]
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It eats at my nerves when I hear a cuss used stupidly, incorrectly, loudly, half-whisperingly, or just... way too much.





I'm with Miss Manners (Judith Martin) on this one:

"The use of profanities ought to be sharply curtailed in our society, in order to restore to them their proper function, which is to shock people."

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#101119 - 10/10/06 10:01 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: False_Messiah78]
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Why delay the inevitable? The kids are going to eventually learn the words anyway!




Hearing your best friend at school say "fuck" in the cafeteria or on the way home is one thing... hearing your mother say it is quite another. When parents curse, they are telling their child or children that cursing is socially acceptable, just by example; even if they insist vocally to said child or children that it's wrong or unacceptable. Children will attempt to emulate their parents at some age, and it can be embarassing if you're on a family night out, watching Finding Nemo in theaters, and your child shouts "fuck" when the shark appears. Or something similar...

Also, I do not use socially unacceptable language in front of other people's little children, out of respect for their parents and the children themselves. The decision to raise those children in an environment with socially unacceptable words or not is their parents', and their parents' alone. It is not my place to say anything in front of someone else's child that I would not want them repeating to, say, their Bishop, or their student guidance counselor.

Socially unacceptable words, to me, are simply the words you'd like to avoid saying near anyone you'd like to impress, and the small humans whom you WILL impress.

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#101120 - 10/10/06 10:10 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: euol]
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Why delay the inevitable? The kids are going to eventually learn the words anyway!




Hearing your best friend at school say "fuck" in the cafeteria or on the way home is one thing... hearing your mother say it is quite another. When parents curse, they are telling their child or children that cursing is socially acceptable, just by example; even if they insist vocally to said child or children that it's wrong or unacceptable. Children will attempt to emulate their parents at some age, and it can be embarassing if you're on a family night out, watching Finding Nemo in theaters, and your child shouts "fuck" when the shark appears. Or something similar...

Also, I do not use socially unacceptable language in front of other people's little children, out of respect for their parents and the children themselves. The decision to raise those children in an environment with socially unacceptable words or not is their parents', and their parents' alone. It is not my place to say anything in front of someone else's child that I would not want them repeating to, say, their Bishop, or their student guidance counselor.

Socially unacceptable words, to me, are simply the words you'd like to avoid saying near anyone you'd like to impress, and the small humans whom you WILL impress.




I disagree.

Using curse words have never been a means of myself impressing anyone but sometimes they do have their place.

When they are overly used they lose thier meaning (which is shock value).

I also, do not curse in front of small children. It is not a necessary thing to do. It is also disrespectful to the parents.

I have two very good friends with lovely children. The female of this couple had a friend over who delightfully called her little son a 'Mother Fucker'. She did this candidly and jokingly but it angered not only the parents but myself beyond measure.

This 7 year old does not know exactly what that term means, but he did not it was not appropriate.

I almost cleaned her clock right then and there.

Back to my point:

You can be in company of highly intelligent individuals and use a curse word and not have to worry about them thinking the lesser of you.

Sometimes a foul word is needed to get your point across, just make sure it has meaning when you say it.
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#101121 - 10/10/06 10:11 PM Re: I will tell you how. [Re: euol]
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You know what, I like that answer.

I respect everyone on principle, until such a time that respect is unwarranted.

Some things are just common sense.

Classy is as classy does.
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#101122 - 10/11/06 02:18 PM Re: "offensive" language [Re: Hydroksyde]
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I was just contemplating why so many people are offended by so many "swear" or "curse" words. Personally, I have a problem with them when they are used as a direct attack on me, just as i would if i was insulted otherwise, but some people, whom i consider to be morons, seem to be offended just by the use of words, eg fuck. how the hell can anybody be offended by a word?




Personally i find this all very funny, as i have been a chef for 15 yrs i have heard every form of swearing and its derivatives known to mankind over this time

What i find purely offensive is if one's vocabulary only consists these words and one cannot construct a decent sentance without swearing constantly in their everyday social interactions.
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