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#117077 - 08/11/05 06:40 PM A moral dilemma
Nevermore Offline


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I am a recently graduated 3d Animation student. As such, I'm freelancing around the place trying to build up a portfolio, make a name for myself etc. Therefore I can't really afford to be picky about the jobs I take, as everything is one step towards a solid portfolio and better jobs/more money etc.
However recently one of the jobs I was offered was for a local Xtian church. Apparently they're having trouble getting young people interested in their church (gee, I wonder why), and they came up with the idea of making CG cartoons of some bible stories in order to get the kiddies back in sunday school.

Now I'd like to look at this as a paying job and simply disregard the subject matter. However the matter remains that I'd be actually helping "the enemy". I don't really think their plan is going to work anyway, which also helps my conscience, but still...
I haven't accepted the job at all, but I was wondering what you think? If I believe their plan is doomed to fail anyway, and I can further my career, is that worth working for a Xtian church?

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#117078 - 08/11/05 06:50 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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I wouldn't have a problem with separating a rube from their money, but I guess I can see where your discomfort is. I say if you can tolerate the employer and feel you can do the job, take the paycheck. It would also be amusing to let them know your affiliation after the project is over and you have cash in hand, because they might just scrap the whole thing, but thats probably more wishful thinking on my part

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#117079 - 08/11/05 06:54 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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You could make a cartoon that would look to the Christians as something that they are looking for, but perhaps throw in some double meanings and or misdirection.

Sorry, I don't have any specific ideas.

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#117080 - 08/11/05 07:01 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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"The enemy" is in fact not the vile nemesis that they appear to be. Yes, Christianity holds values and ideals that are counterproductive to a free and individual society. I would not, however, deem them as the "enemy". To do so would create unrealistic barriers and conflicts that would not be benefical.

The best question to ask yourself is, "Do you feel disgust about taking this job? Do you feel like it would only cause you apprehension? Or do you feel that the money is well worth a little collaboration with those you may not agree with ethically?"

I am sure you will figure which options are more important to you. Our opinions and advice really don't mean crap if they only end up putting you in the poor house.
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#117081 - 08/11/05 07:08 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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Personally I would take the job, and the money, and insert some nice little subliminal or cryptic "Easter eggs" into the work. I would take care to be clever about it so it wasn't obvious.
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#117082 - 08/11/05 07:14 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Discipline]
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I agree with you Discipline, no need to see christians as the enemy. Sheep, yes, enemy, no. I, personally, would see nothing wrong with taking the job, like you said it is a stepping stone to creating a professional portfolio. The benefits of your future aspirations far outweigh, to me anyway, the fact that you will be working for christians. Just my 2 cents of course.
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#117083 - 08/11/05 07:19 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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The idea of creating pro-Christian propaganda isn't even feasible for me, but it is important that you don't frame this in the context of a "moral dilemma," as you have.

There is no right or wrong here, there is only what makes sense for you, and what doesn't. I think anyone who has a personal business endeavor learns what kind of clients and projects they will accept, and what clients and projects are not acceptable.

I will say that downplaying the effectiveness of these "Christianity is fun" campaigns may be a mistake. Most people are easily distracted by shiny objects and cute animations.



Evangelical Christianity is gaining popularity in this country precisely because church leaders have wised up and embraced modern marketing techniques. It ain't what they're selling, it's how they're selling it.

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#117084 - 08/11/05 07:36 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: DancingintheDark]
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What a great idea. Why didn't I think of that.?

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#117085 - 08/11/05 08:08 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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I watch christian cartoons. They are on at 5am and they are just as boring as the old fashioned ones.

Do you honestly think 3d animations will draw a larger audience, only because of the style? They are losing youth left and right no matter what they do. "Aquire the fire" shows how desperate they are for kids and teens.

Take the money. Its not like you are doing charity work to help them out, you are getting plenty out of the transaction.
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#117086 - 08/11/05 08:15 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: uncleherpe]
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Thankyou for your replies.

I guess I could have worded it differently. I don't actually see Christians as "the enemy", but they do support things that go against what I believe.
But I agree that furthering my career is more important to me right now.

One thing I forgot to mention, which is one of the main reasons I think their idea will fail, is that I'm in a fairly small country area. So even if in some bizarre way they manage to reach 50% of the youth community, that's still not very many people. Not a number I would get worked up about.

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#117087 - 08/11/05 08:43 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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I say, as long as they're not on an evil campaign that will be directly supported by the creation of little CG characters, go for it! (For example, if the church was dedicated to "rehabilitating" homosexuals, or was big into protesting abortion clinics, I personally wouldn't want to give them any more fuel for those specific activities.) You can even be cute and secretly subversive with the subject matter, if you're smart about it. I'm a bit of a geek, but I think it sounds like a fun opportunity, and you'll get some of *their* money for it.

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#117088 - 08/11/05 09:27 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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The way I see it is that a job is a job. I am a Marine and I don't agree with every little ideal, symbol or creed and that was crammed down my throat in bootcamp, but I still do my job with a sense of pride.

I don't see it as helping out the cause of christianity by making some CG cartoons for them. If the people they are trying to reach are that mentally handicapped that some CG cartoons about jesus would impact their lives.....then christian church can have them.

Plus what's wrong with creating CG works of fiction anyways?

Take the money.

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#117089 - 08/11/05 10:14 PM Re: Evil Campaign. [Re: TrojZyr]
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>>I say, as long as they're not on an evil campaign that will be directly supported by the creation of little CG characters, go for it!<<

The whole Christian agenda is an evil campaign.

To quote The Satanic Bible - "The true prince of Evil."

I'm not going to bother delving into my reasoning. A read of page 30 of The Satanic Bible just about says it all.

Fuck 'em. If they were starving I wouldn't throw them a single rice crispie from my bowl.
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#117090 - 08/11/05 10:37 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: KissFrk3]
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>>I agree with you Discipline, no need to see christians as the enemy.<<

I've quoted this before and I'll quote it again here:

"There can be no room for this ecumenical attitude of 'well, if God works for them and makes them happy, it won't hurt me to let them go on believing it.' But it does hurt you. When there are that many people in positions of authority thinking mudddled, incoherent thoughts, it's going to affect you. To completely overthrow mystically orientated religions, Satanists choose active opposition. We don't need to show any tolerance or good fellowship to these sheep."

-Anton Szandor LaVey-

And need I mention the book of Satan I-5:

"He who saith 'thou shalt' is my mortal foe."

They are the enemy. However you look at it.

I seriously recommend that those CoS members who have not purchased a copy of Blanche Barton's book, The Church of Satan, do so. It really will provide you with a clear idea of what the Church of Satan is about.
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#117091 - 08/11/05 10:42 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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I dont really think it matters if they are the enemy or not in this situation, he needs work and he doesnt do it someone else will get hired instead.

Not to mention it sounds like it wont make much of a dent, plus he gets money and builds a portfolio with it. I say go for it.
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#117092 - 08/11/05 11:58 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Asmedious]
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What a great idea. Why didn't I think of that.?




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#117093 - 08/12/05 12:25 AM No dilemma at all. [Re: Nevermore]
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You suffer from confusion.

Your assistance to Christianity will not

(1) make any significant difference.
(2) make any meaningful difference.

However you could enable the slaves to serve you.

Think about it.
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#117094 - 08/12/05 12:28 AM Aside (not really) to your signature. [Re: TrojZyr]
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#117095 - 08/12/05 12:29 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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Exactly.
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#117096 - 08/12/05 12:31 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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Mr. Nevermore,

UVRay has made a good point already. Active opposition is a Satanists role. It is "ours" to accuse them and expose their hypocrisy.

This isn't a moral issue, this is an issue of, do I take money from these people or not? It helps to stop viewing them as people and view them as animals that you harvest your living from. Predators do not view their prey as equals.

You are in a position to do some damage here... and make a profit.

I wouldn't go putting subliminals into your work. They look for that kind of thing. Your BEST offense is do the job TOO well. The children that are naturally resistant to the corrupting affects of Christian Bullshit, will see the camp, and scoff at it.
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#117097 - 08/12/05 04:45 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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Having a church on your portfolio looks better for further business. When other sheep see this, they think "if a church thinks this person is good then they must be" and the money rolls in. You can always take this as an opportunity to sneak in messeges such as think for yourself. You don't have to encourage Satanism with this cartoon, just encouragement to think freely.

You have an opportunity to undermine these people. Go for it and charge extra.
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#117098 - 08/12/05 05:14 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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Go for it! I had to sit down and think about it, because it *is* a dilemma. What if your campaigned helped brainwash even *a few*?

But think of the positives:

* Christian money moves into Satanist hands; this has long-term good as your own good health will in itself do damage to organized religion

* Your career is helped: And as above, your own career ultimately works against theirs. If you find yourself doing several Church websites, then go for it! (I have more cunning advise later!). The more they pay (and they *will* pay!) you collectively, the more the scales are turned against them, and they don't even suspect.

Now...

Try signing your name on the cartoons, as is standard practice. Make up a new Logo or name and tell them you'd like to do it under that name. They won't care. Wait a year... and see if you get any other similar projects for other Churches. The more cartoons you build up with the logo, the better! Document which churches you've done stuff for. And make note of their mailing lists & magazines, etc.

Then, one year... expose the new logo you've created as a Satanic Organisation, and make sure all the Church groups associated with the Churches you've done sites for learn about it. The more shock you create over it, the more the fun as you watch the Churches squeem (sp?)!

They'll have to remove the cartoons - they won't be able to sue - and they'll have lost their money.

Simpleton followers will be confused and some of them might learn a few things.

That's what I'd do! Use them, abuse them, be patient... look after yourself, and then when you are stronger, worry more about chipping away at the immoral monuments of religion when you're in a better position - thanks to them - to do so!
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#117099 - 08/12/05 09:14 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: uncleherpe]
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I dont really think it matters if they are the enemy or not in this situation, he needs work and he doesnt do it someone else will get hired instead.

Not to mention it sounds like it wont make much of a dent, plus he gets money and builds a portfolio with it. I say go for it.




My comments are not directly aimed at the original poster. It is up to him whether he takes the job or not.

Though personally, as I have pointed out, I would never lend my services to them.

Rather, I was addressing the seemingly popular opinion that Satanism is not anti-Christian. Which in fact it is.
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#117100 - 08/12/05 02:04 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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Well, here are a few other things to think about...

If they don't choose you for the job, they'll pick some other animator and continue on with the same project. If somebody's going to inevitably get paid for this job, better you than somebody else, right?

Also, you might be overestimating the intended power your work will have. I am not discrediting your talent; just pointing out that many kids are disgusted by the self-righteousness of even the most glitzy propaganda. Just look at the countless parodies of the classic "This is your brain on drugs" ad.

Perhaps you could develop artwork that secretly looks like it's trying too hard to be "hip"? That way you'd get approval from whoever is in charge of the product (presumably an adult who has no idea what kids are really into today), and know that today's youth would find the animation ultimately silly.
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#117101 - 08/12/05 06:11 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Bill_M]
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Aha, that's my rationale there.

The project will most likely get done, so I would personally prefer to have that money in my pocket, and my (decidedly concealed) message on the table. Maybe I'm a control freak, but the idea that I'd be doing something with my tongue in my cheek that would be presented with great sincerity to the children of the opposition just makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

But, I do see UVray's point, which is why I wouldn't *usually* go out of my way to work for Christians or for a church if better opportunities were laid before me---opportunities where I wouldn't be rubbing shoulders with the opposition, where I could utilize my creative gifts and ideas more broadly, and where my skills would possibly be better appreciated. But, if a church crosses paths with me, or I with it, and a job opportunity presents itself, I'll seriously consider my options there.

Nevermore, would I be right in assuming that this is a nondenominational "megachurch?" If you need help brainstorming, I know quite a bit about Christian history, culture, and texts, so feel free to PM me and tell me what you're working on.

I like Bill's idea that you might have more fun and be more successful if you strive to be overly "hip" and transparent. Actual subliminal messages would probably be discovered. I'm always a big fan of multi-layered and obscure symbolism and double-meanings.

I also really like Vexen's idea in theory. I had fun picturing that scenario .
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#117102 - 08/12/05 07:56 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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If you decide to take the job, two points I would like to mention, having made the mistake of taking an art job for a Church many years ago:

1.Beware their natural impulse to proselytes and push their beliefs at you during your interactions with them through this artistic transaction. They often just cannot help themselves or have been indoctrinated to preach their stuff at any and all who fall in their paths.

2.Beware of flaccid inspiration! As art is a muse of the soul, it is very difficult to betray your feelings creating something you truly find vile. It’s not like you are building them a bench or putting in some plumbing or something neutral in nature. Just listen to your gut, as you may not be able to cull the necessary passion to create something of real quality for your portfolio, from what you have to work with.

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#117103 - 08/12/05 09:43 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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I understand how you feel.

I worked for a Christian magazine for some time and I had to read and work with a lot of material I found intellectually disgusting. But in my case, the public the publication was directed was a bunch of old people, whose minds were already rusted solid by decades of religious indoctrination.

But in the case of the project you would work, the target is children. Their minds are still developing and early bombardment with propaganda can ruin them for the rest of their lives.

One of the Satanic rules of Earth says “Do not harm little children”.

Just ask yourself… could those Christian cartoons be considered “harmful”.
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#117104 - 08/14/05 07:59 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Quote:

Quote:

I dont really think it matters if they are the enemy or not in this situation, he needs work and he doesnt do it someone else will get hired instead.

Not to mention it sounds like it wont make much of a dent, plus he gets money and builds a portfolio with it. I say go for it.




My comments are not directly aimed at the original poster. It is up to him whether he takes the job or not.

Though personally, as I have pointed out, I would never lend my services to them.

Rather, I was addressing the seemingly popular opinion that Satanism is not anti-Christian. Which in fact it is.





I am still kinda working it through my head. I obviously think its no good, but at the same time I think that if it was eliminated somehow people would just subscribe to some other kind of rubbish.

People are starting to reject christ more than ever, I will have to wait and see if its a good thing.
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#117105 - 08/15/05 12:19 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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Personally, I see exactly what you mean. Warlock UVRay is precisely correct in stating that contrary to what some may think, Satanism is an anti-Christian religion. If there's really any doubt about this, read The Book of Satan, then repeat this procedure until what it says thoroughly sinks in.

Also, I think it may be that an important component of this is overlooked by many who have responded: personal pride.

Yes, it is very easy for one to say to another, "Don't let your pride get in the way of making money." Fine, lets apply it differently.

To the women: How many of you would be willing to quit your current occupation and take up prostitution or stripping? Both jobs have the potential to make significantly better than middle class income, and both permit massive use of lesser magic, do they not? I personally find both of them to be perfectly honorable vocations, and certainly many of the ladies here are more than attractive enough to make six figures in these fields. So why not do what's best for your pocketbook, and take the low road?

To the men: See above, but apply this to your wife/girlfriend. Conversely, why not consider homosexual prostitution? Also makes a killing, and there's no indignity in it.

If you think I'm being facetious, consider that unless your income presently meets six figures, you seriously could improve your station in life by taking my advice. So why aren't you doing it? My guess is because your personal pride does not permit it. You may even respect the occupation (or not), but you personally have no desire to take part in it, even if the monetary rewards are considerable.

I think the exact same is true of Mr. Nevermore. If he feels that doing this would damage his personal pride, then it is a valid reason to think twice about doing it. If he were starving, or would not find work at all without taking jobs from Christian churches, then I would argue that his pride is counter-productive; on the other hand, if he could likely do well without lowering his personal pride and taking this job, and any slight monetary loss is worth it to him, then he should act accordingly.

In the end, only he can judge his priorities and therefore decide what is best for him.
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#117106 - 08/15/05 03:27 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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Interesting examples Warlock Leviathan,

Which brings us to pornography.

I don't know why the laws change suddenly when you add a camera to the picture, because it's essentially the same thing as prostitution. Perhaps Christians felt better if they could get in on the action via second-hand voyeurism? Come to think of it the job sounds kind of fun, albeit risky. I never really thought about doing adult entertainment work, I might just look into doing some porno. Thanks for the idea!

Now, to find someone that wants a well-endowed, skinny, white guy to do the old bump-n-grind on celluloid...

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#117107 - 08/15/05 07:01 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Felstorm]
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Interesting examples Warlock Leviathan,

Which brings us to pornography.

I don't know why the laws change suddenly when you add a camera to the picture, because it's essentially the same thing as prostitution. Perhaps Christians felt better if they could get in on the action via second-hand voyeurism? Come to think of it the job sounds kind of fun, albeit risky. I never really thought about doing adult entertainment work, I might just look into doing some porno. Thanks for the idea!

Now, to find someone that wants a well-endowed, skinny, white guy to do the old bump-n-grind on celluloid...






Hm. You pretty much have two options:

Find a porn girl who will refuse to work with anyone else.

Start your own production company (finding a distributor and fucking hookers).

I personally think it would be icky. Check out the canyonesque twats, fake EVERYTHING (including moans) and twleve people up your ass while you fuck. I think it would be fucking horrible, even from a male perspective.

and dont forget the aids!
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#117108 - 08/15/05 07:11 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: uncleherpe]
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>>and dont forget the aids!<<

Nope. This is an absolute prerequisite. Porn stars never forget to take their Aids along with them to a shoot.

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#117109 - 08/15/05 07:20 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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>>and dont forget the aids!<<

Nope. This is an absolute prerequisite. Porn stars never forget to take their Aids along with them to a shoot.






There is a huge difference between porn stars & porn actors/actresses. Not everyone who films are actual stars in the true sense of the term. Stars wear condoms, get tested and shoot with productions that actually require them to do these things: all in contract. Porn actors/actresses on the other hand would fall under the diseased category you speak of, as they have no standards set for themselves, they will film with anybody, for anybody, consequently, they never make to be stars. It is like the difference between a class Escort & a street corner hooker.

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#117110 - 08/15/05 07:36 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Satanya]
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>>and dont forget the aids!<<

Nope. This is an absolute prerequisite. Porn stars never forget to take their Aids along with them to a shoot.






There is a huge difference between porn stars & porn actors/actresses. Not everyone who films are actual stars in the true sense of the term. Stars wear condoms, get tested and shoot with productions that actually require them to do these things: all in contract. Porn actors/actresses on the other hand would fall under the diseased category you speak of, as they have no standards set for themselves, they will film with anybody, for anybody, consequently, they never make to be stars. It is like the difference between a class Escort & a street corner hooker.




Ive never seen ANY of the vivid girls use condoms (jenna jameson, crystal, etc)Even when jenna was calling the shots in movies like bella loves jenna. Ive never seen belladonna use one either, or heck any of the 'stars' Ive seen. Ive seen a ton of pornography as well.

Everyone gets tested, but it usually takes months for aids to show up, tests for HIV are actually looking for antibodies- not the actual virus. and god knows how much unprotected sex those people would have in ONE month. They almost always have ass sex, which makes the risks higher for everyone.

Also, there is hpv/herpes. Hardly anyone with hpv has symptoms, and there isnt really a way to test for it on guys. Pap smears are usually done anually, and those are the best indicators for hpv in women with no actual warts. People with herpes are also do not usually experience symptoms, and when they do it isnt a constant herpes attack, it happens occasionally.

Ive taken a big interest in this kind of stuff if you havent noticed.


Edited by uncleherpe (08/15/05 07:38 AM)
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#117111 - 08/15/05 08:46 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: uncleherpe]
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OK, I have made clear, either condom or tests, not necessarily both, sometimes condom, sometimes tests, however the latter are required by some producers to be taken regularly. There are ways to stay healthy & prove it, but you will of course, believe & think what you want.

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#117112 - 08/15/05 08:50 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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Some points to think about, if your personal pride is not the problem:

If the barrage of christian propaganda you eventually will support really brings some child to christianity, is his or her soul lost for Satanism? Not really. Remember, Satanists are born, not convinced by any kind of propaganda.

And could you guarantee that NOTHING you ever did, was abused for christian marketing? They are the majority, that is the nature of the game, so seperate them from their money.



And if you have a bad conscience after all, spend the money earned at CoS Emporium ;-)
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#117113 - 08/15/05 11:25 AM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Nevermore]
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If it would further my career, add more substance to my portfolio, and perhaps add some diversity to my art, then I would take the job without reservation.

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#117114 - 08/15/05 06:23 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: uncleherpe]
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Everyone seems to like to say that the strippers and the porn stars are some how nastier/dirtier then anyone else. Have you been in a bar that is literally a meat market? How many of those people ever get tested? They just spent all their money on their clothes and their alcohol. I tend to believe that a lot of the strippers are cleaner then some of the young "ladies" I've seen walking around here.

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Also, there is hpv/herpes. Hardly anyone with hpv has symptoms, and there isnt really a way to test for it on guys. Pap smears are usually done anually, and those are the best indicators for hpv in women with no actual warts. People with herpes are also do not usually experience symptoms, and when they do it isnt a constant herpes attack, it happens occasionally.

Ive taken a big interest in this kind of stuff if you havent noticed.




Since you've taken such a big interest. Did you realize that statistically 70% of sexually active women have hpv? I've read this in a couple of places, of course you can probably find other statistics but its still high. Of all of the different strains of hpv there are certain strains that can cause cancer. They give EVERY women a pap smear, because EVERY women has a very high chance of having hpv. hpv has also been found in untouched virgins and they don't really know why. (mothers possibly?)

No, I don't have a form of hpv as far as I know. Which is as far as anyone knows. However being as I'm sexually active its always a good idea to know what to look for.

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#117115 - 08/15/05 06:41 PM Re: A moral dilemma [Re: Felstorm]
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I've been approached a couple of times about doing a porn. One was for S&M, but they couldn't pay me enough. Now someone working at walmart might have been interested. I guess sometimes it depends on what you get by giving something up.

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