#120409 - 09/02/05 04:28 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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I think that Dr. LaVey knew that there were "others" out there and The Satanic Bible was his way of reaching out to them. It wasn't charity. He saw the need for this religion to exist.
Now it does, and aren't you glad?
I also don’t imagine that Anton had any benevolent purposes in mind either.
Are you suggesting here that a Satanist can't have love and respect for the world around him? You think that Dr. LaVey didn't have it in him to want a better world to live in?
Edited by johnharperjr (09/02/05 04:34 PM)
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#120411 - 09/02/05 04:53 PM
Come together, right now.... over Satan.
[Re: Max Rose]
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So I ask then, if the intentions weren’t necessarily selfish, or benevolent, then what might they have been?
A necessity to coalesce the various aspects of life, which have always existed, but were never before accurately defined as "Satanism".
This is why you see ideas that might parallel other great thinkers, such as Nietchze.
This is why certain historical figures are referred to as "defacto Satanists".
Satanism has always existed.
Herr Doktor, Anton Szandor LaVey, was the first ever to codify the religion known today as "Satanism".
The Satanic Bible was the codex.
Were there other reasons for writing TSB?
I would say there undoubtedly were.
If you have read the book, "Fulfillment of the Ego" may come to mind. I think, however, that reasons other than the first are best laid to rest with the good Doctor.
Therefore, I abstain from further speculation.
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#120412 - 09/02/05 05:04 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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I think he had a natural sense of justice for mankind and he saw the world as an unjust one. I don't think he wrote TSB to feel good about himself in a "good guy" kind of way. He had an idea, went with it and got amazing results. That must have felt wonderful!
Edited by johnharperjr (09/02/05 05:34 PM)
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#120414 - 09/02/05 05:13 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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Look for Satanis: the Devil's Mass on DVD. I purchased my copy at a local Border's Bookstore. This film is a good starting point. You might also want to take a look here: Purging Talon (founded by Magister Paradise) HS!
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#120417 - 09/02/05 05:48 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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>>I have been finding myself wondering what his purpose >>might have been for writing the Satanic bible. Doesn't the preface of the book begin with "This book was written because..."? >>Are there any books of interviews with Anton LaVey? Or >>anything in which I could find him talking of his >>motivations for creating the Satanic Church? There's a lot of information in both of Magistra Blache Barton's books, Church of Satan and The Secret Life of a Satanist. LaVey also writes some relevant reflections in Satan Speaks. Besides Satanis there is also the biographical film Speak of the Devil. >>but I didn't know there was a DVD available. What is it >>about specifically? What is the main focus. You can read a review of Satanis on the Sinister Screen site. In summary, it's a documentary made in 1968 about the Church of Satan, plus the residents and neighbors of the ol' Black House. Be forewarned though that the DVD released by Something Weird Video includes a bunch of irrelevant, campy horror/occult stuff thrown on as a double feature.
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#120418 - 09/02/05 06:01 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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 In my personal opinion Dr. LaVey wrote the Satanic Bible and establised the Church of Satan because he was looking for a no-nonsense religion that celebrated man as just another animal and dealt with carnality rather than spirituality and found none. Since there were none he created his own religion based on his ideals. As he once said, he created Satanism because if wouldn't have, probably someone else less qualified would have. "The Secret life of a Satanist" deals in this topic as well as "The Church of Satan" book.
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#120419 - 09/02/05 06:01 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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I used to ponder this myself and came up with a few theories (only LaVey himself knew the full reasons, though educated guesses can be made):
1.It does satisfy one's ego to found a whole new religion
2.Getting sick of traditional religion leading to the need to find others with similar thoughts - the same motivation that leads most real Satanists to join the CoS
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#120420 - 09/02/05 06:35 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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Two hundred years from now how many people are going to be discussing you and your motivations for doing what you do? 
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#120421 - 09/02/05 07:01 PM
because
[Re: Max Rose]
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>>> " I looked through all the grimoires and all I saw was junk" .
This sentence explain many other ones. Monsieur Anton Szandor LaVey has made THE book he never found in his life.
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#120422 - 09/02/05 11:49 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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Grab your copy of TSB, turn to page 21 (Preface), and read. Your question shall be answered by the source, Doktor Lavey.
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#120424 - 09/03/05 01:52 PM
His answer to you includes this.
[Re: Max Rose]
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This offers one answer worth considering. The Satanic Bible continues to accomplish Dr. LaVey's will in this regard with precision and power. I do not mean to imply that this was his only motivation, but it certainly is one I can easily understand!
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#120427 - 09/03/05 02:16 PM
Re: Quick aside on deja vu and Santa
[Re: Mr. Obsidian]
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Well you know the old saw about the dyslexic Satanist who sold his soul to Santa. Those of us who are slaves to Santa need to remind one and all that he doesn't always just bring gifts. He often brings justice! "You better watch out, You better not cry...."  This relates directly, by the way, to my previous post on this issue here.
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#120431 - 09/03/05 08:23 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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Once, when asked why he founded the Church of Satan, Dr. LaVey replied that if he did not do it, someone far less qualified would. I think the same answer would apply to THE SATANIC BIBLE.
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#120437 - 09/06/05 03:54 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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Blasphemy?
To enjoy Uckingfay with Xtans?
To clarify, even to himself, his philosophy/beliefs?
To let you read the thoughts of The/a Satanist to see if they resonated?
Because he was bored watching the Tap Dancing Monkey??
???
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#120438 - 09/06/05 04:09 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: chimera]
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Blasphemy?
To enjoy Uckingfay with Xtans?
To clarify, even to himself, his philosophy/beliefs?
To let you read the thoughts of The/a Satanist to see if they resonated?
Because he was bored watching the Tap Dancing Monkey??
???
Those are my five tops reasons for anything I ever do. 
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#120439 - 09/06/05 05:17 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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I think it was written because it is something that humanity needed after a collective ritualization of mental masturbation and non-sense for an un-needed collection of years (*yawn*). It bascially cleared the stage for stronger thought hence a better world. Besides-"The Satanic Bible", I think that speaks for itself. Dr. LaVey was the appointed man to do this and was born into that blessing as an anti-hero. Everything happens for a reason.
It also serves as a great foundation for an organization that is The Church of Satan. Which humanity at large would benefit from.
It is just part of Santa's plan.
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#120440 - 09/06/05 06:45 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Stev2]
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Everything happens for a reason.
Can you elaborate on this?
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#120442 - 09/06/05 09:01 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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Magister Nemo and Rev. Svengali have both given pieces of the puzzle. But your whole question is hung up in false dichotomies. It's also worth remembering that, from what I understand of the circumstances surrounding the SB's publication: the Church of Satan existed before the Satanic Bible did, by a couple of years. An associate recommended LaVey write a Bible on the assumption that it would have a mass audience already waiting for it -- especially people who had been following the activities of the nascent Church already, either because it piqued their curiosity or for more prurient reasons. Basically the Doktor was guaranteed great royalties if he made something that was accessible to the layman, that was salacious, and that defied expectation just enough and in just the right way to make people pass it along. So there was a clear revenue incentive. Does that mean the book is insincere? Of course not. Your question assumes that either you exploit people, or you are a sucker. That either you change the world for direct material gain, or you do it for some lame Good Guy reason. Either you know someone deserves kindness, or you treat them as an ingrate. That power means insincerity. That elitism means keeping to yourself. Above all I think you're failing to see the "third side". This "power" vs. "benevolent" stuff, you have to get over that. If you think the elitism espoused in the SB is exclusive with a general compassion for the frustrated Everyman, you need to read the book again. (Who do you think the "elite" is, anyway?!) If you think the scope of the Complete Environment is limited to interior design, you need to rethink that. (Can it include your culture?) And if you don't understand the difference between an aristocrat's taking and an artist's giving as different kinds of elitist relationship with the masses, I'd urge you to consider it. Just a thought. Those who had the honor and privilege of knowing him might correct me if I'm on the wrong track.
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#120444 - 09/08/05 11:35 PM
Actualization!
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The Satanic Bible is the synthesis of many sources, consisting of an amalgam of bedrock philosophy, reactionary indignation and magical actualization. The Satanic Bible contains mountainous upheavals of rage coupled with lascivious lust and emotional compassion…and it served the purely selfish desire of the man who wrote it. Most people think of magic and ritual as being a thirty minute exercise with one concise end that justifies the means, but if those same people were to consider that being a magician extends beyond the dim, smoky ritual chamber and the limited time of a half hour to exert the Will…they might understand just what Anton LaVey accomplished. Anton LaVey established his immortality within those pages. “Ask not what Satanism can do for you, instead ask what you can do for Satanism…then do it…the rest will naturally fall into place.” That is my take on what Anton LaVey was swirling around in his gray matter as he scanned the archives of history and cast his unfaltering gaze out into his contemporary surroundings. Sure, he might have gained notoriety for founding the Church of Satan, yet he did not rest on a moment of fame alone. He endeavored to triumph in spades! I doubt if he gave much concern as to whether other Satanists would “compel” themselves to fall in line with the wisdom he manifested, realizing instead that those who are, would do so regardless of his work! I do not think that his compassion extended a hand to help as much as a banner to rally around, a shield to defend with and a sword to slash and poke with. Some passages in the Satanic Bible call for the scales to fall from the eyes, but that is more of an “atta-boy” to those with the predisposition rather than a call for the world to fall in place. I am fairly certain that the adage about teaching pigs to dance would interject nicely at this point. To sum up my above opinions, Anton LaVey wrote the Satanic Bible to smash hypocrisy a good one in the nose, knowing it is an anemic and a hemophiliac. He did not want to change the entire world all at once rather he created his standard and left it for the world to do with as it will…the rest will take care of itself. His Will was done. So Mote It Be! 
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#120445 - 09/11/05 06:33 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
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That falls into questions like: "why are we here?" We can observe events and how they came to fruition but it's not always easy to find the root of origin of such queries. I think things start to get "miraculous" or "magical" when our carnal minds can't trace back to a birth of something important or to a pivotal point of a grand and elaborate scheme. Kind of like reality folded on itself and we can't see the reasons behind why things happened- a naturally occuring stage trick. There is a logical reason for everything. "It's all in the mind" -Yellow Submarine 
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#120446 - 10/23/05 01:31 PM
I was in error with regard to your intentions.
[Re: Max Rose]
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I was going to post this in reply to my posting here but the thread was closed. As I mentioned this thread there, I decided this would be the best place to state my error in my judgement of your intentions. Just recently you met with other members of the Church and I was kindly informed that my negative perception of your intentions were in error. I trust the judgement of a few and when they meet someone in person I trust their judgement even more - and certainly more than what I can determine in this one-dimensional medium! I therefore apologize to you here, in public, for drawing the wrong conclusion with regard to the intent behind the kinds of questions and topics you have been posting here. I can only assume that as a consequence of your meeting with at least one Church official you probably will find that your own concerns have been greatly reduced. We really are what we claim to be. Now you are probably discovering this to be true. Sincerely, Nemo
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#120447 - 10/23/05 04:46 PM
Re: I was in error with regard to your intentions.
[Re: Nemo]
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Well, this guy has certainly show how he is able to doubt everything and how many on this board were up to defend the Doktor Lavey and the COS. My only problem with the locked thread is that his attitude was certainly one of someone who doubt only for the fun of doubting. But if he did the effort to meet COS official representative, maybe he was serious.
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#120448 - 10/23/05 06:46 PM
Re: I was in error with regard to your intentions.
[Re: BlackPhilosopher]
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But if he did the effort to meet COS official representative, maybe he was serious.
He was serious. He asked, and his questions were answered to his satisfaction. And that's really all that needs to be said on the matter.
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#120449 - 10/23/05 07:06 PM
Re: I was in error with regard to your intentions.
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He was serious. He asked, and his questions were answered to his satisfaction. And that's really all that needs to be said on the matter.
So let it be. 
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#120450 - 10/24/05 03:15 AM
Re: I was in error with regard to your intentions.
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I'd just like to say that this response, the two threads, and Magister Nemo's apology go to show that those with a true sense of pride and good ego _can_ admit when they are mistaken; as well as proves yet again that the COS is an orginization with upstanding individuals and THE REAL DEAL.
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#120451 - 10/24/05 11:01 AM
Re: I was in error with regard to your intentions.
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#120453 - 10/24/05 01:58 PM
Re: Benevolence and selfishness.
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Have you considered the possiblity that all true benevolence might stem only from selfish motivations?
Very true. Even supposedly altruistic actions may be considered in the scope of the glory attributed to the benefactor at the very least--not to mention the frequent and myriad strings attached for whatever reason.
I gain a little more respect for Nemo everyday. He obviously has his ducks in line.
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#120454 - 10/27/05 08:49 PM
Re: Why did Anton LaVey write the Satanic Bible?
[Re: Max Rose]
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I believe that I can understand why it is that Anton LaVey wrote the SB. False profit..lol Why not? The church has been making money off of "Satan" for so long...His intentions for writing the SB is to inform...like almost any piece of literature. For anyone to follow the book word for word would be just as bad as the X-tians and their bible.
Although I'll have to admit that the SB isn't the best book that Anton has written, it taught me what I wanted to be taught.
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#120455 - 10/27/05 10:57 PM
Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this.
[Re: Anya]
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For anyone to follow the book word for word would be just as bad as the X-tians and their bible.
For anyone to not follow word for word what the founder of this religion wrote would result in something other than Satanism.
The founder wrote his books for a reason.
Additionally as Satanism is based on the application of doubt and reason, it is ridiculous to compare it to all of the religions based upon faith and feelings.
The belief that "anything goes" in Satanism is simply wrong.
The belief that the founder wrote books that can be ignored is simply wrong.
This religion was codified in writing to prevent misinterpretation.
Anyone who disagrees is welcome to go off and start their own religion but whatever they do it will not be Satanism.
Satanism is a defined religion.
There is no middle ground nor gray area on this issue.
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#120456 - 10/28/05 12:13 AM
Re: Sorry, but you are dead wrong on this.
[Re: Nemo]
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For anyone to not follow word for word what the founder of this religion wrote would result in something other than Satanism.
The founder wrote his books for a reason.
Additionally as Satanism is based on the application of doubt and reason, it is ridiculous to compare it to all of the religions based upon faith and feelings.
The belief that "anything goes" in Satanism is simply wrong.
The belief that the founder wrote books that can be ignored is simply wrong.
This religion was codified in writing to prevent misinterpretation.
Anyone who disagrees is welcome to go off and start their own religion but whatever they do it will not be Satanism.
Satanism is a defined religion.
There is no middle ground nor gray area on this issue.
This statement is beautiful, Magister.
Thank you!
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