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#123194 - 09/23/05 06:44 PM A Satanic nation.
pitzi_83 Offline


Registered: 03/30/05
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"PENTAGONAL REVISIONISM:

A FIVE-POINT PROGRAM"

after I briefly read this short text I stumbled upon a question...

Should a nation declare itself Satanic (not the most reasonable
occurance due to the existence of the herds...),
How will it conduct itself?
What laws will change?

What do you think a satanic nation should be like?

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#123195 - 09/23/05 06:49 PM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: pitzi_83]
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You might (or might not) find this discussion of interest.
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#123196 - 09/23/05 06:53 PM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: pitzi_83]
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One of the five points being zero tolerence for religious issues being incorpoerated into law, it should be clear that Satanism advocates a secular govornment, thusly, a nation may have inherently Satanic qualities, but to say such-and-such nation will take up Satanism--or any religion--as its official national religion smacks of proselytizing, which is another thing Satanism is opposed to.
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#123197 - 09/23/05 09:18 PM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: pitzi_83]
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Its been discussed before.. a lot. Its simply not a good idea. ANY religion + government = problems.
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#123198 - 09/24/05 07:46 AM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: pitzi_83]
pitzi_83 Offline


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Sorry for the repeating post, I did a search "Satanic+nation"
on the search option and found endless topics that didn't
quite match my search. thank you for the link.

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#123199 - 09/24/05 08:05 AM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: pitzi_83]
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There is already a Satanic Nation. It is called the United States of America.

Even with the apparent revival of Christian freaks we are experiencing lately, this is still the first and only Satanic Nation in the world.
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#123200 - 09/24/05 08:14 AM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: Old_Pig]
pitzi_83 Offline


Registered: 03/30/05
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Truthfully, the question arose while I was watching some
history channel special on Rome.

From what I'm currently reading in The Church of Satan,
The closest thing is a secular, free nation with a high tolerance
for individuallity.

The US of A, like you said.

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#123201 - 09/24/05 10:44 AM "Did Satan just picked one country" .... [Re: Old_Pig]
Assabrah Offline
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"There is already a Satanic Nation. It is called the United States of America"

"this is still the first and only Satanic Nation in the world"

Could you explain this ? in which contest ?

That sounded odd to me, thinking that Satanism is about all other this Earth. How could it be different ?

it could also makes me think about scientologists who have opinions like this,I mean by the fact that " USA is the heritage" and etc..Each country has its "atlantis dream" I see.

so yes, I would want to know in which sense you have written this.


Edited by Assabrah (09/24/05 11:16 AM)
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#123202 - 09/24/05 09:27 PM Re: "Did Satan just picked one country" .... [Re: Assabrah]
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the 'american dream' is pretty damn satanic. Also, I think the US is more devoted to indulgence (look at the businesses, products that are popular), we dont have national health care, and welfare is usually limited. I dont know if thats what he means, but I think america is pretty satanic over all...
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#123203 - 09/24/05 09:53 PM Re: "Did Satan just picked one country"... [Re: uncleherpe]
Assabrah Offline
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This is your supposition, I don't go against.

But what I have read >>>

-"There is already a Satanic Nation. It is called the United States of America"

-"this is still the first and only Satanic Nation in the world".

Yes, this sounds like scientologists >>>" YOU U.S son belong to the race... The others??? Do you speak about other countries?? Ahh ok, you mean these other "planets"...Well, they're not PURE"... I don't even want to go on, because here, I wouldn't wish a vomit rain, but I would go ahead with napalm .

This, go against THE concept.

A satanist is really over this thing called Natonalism, and anyway, a satanist borned anywhere is borned anywhere.

I am FRENCH. then?? Am I talking about all "my" culture trying to justify something? no. I don't feel concerned by being french, but only by being myself.

There are some things where we have to travel to see, to know, watching TV won't help.

And I still wait for an answer.


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#123204 - 09/24/05 11:11 PM Re: "Did Satan just picked one country"... [Re: Assabrah]
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I donít understand how you could come out with so many twisted meaning I never intended in my post.

I said the United States is the one and only Satanic Nation , I never said it was the only place in the world where Satanists lived. I never said anything about Nationalism. I never said anything about other countries being unSatanic. I never said anything about cultures or purity and even less about Scientology.

So you are French? Well, I don't even have an official nationality, and I dont feel less Satanic for that. Actually I feel kind of proud for not having a country I can call my own. Patriotism is an alien concept to me.

Why I think U.S. is a Satanic Nation? A country that embraces materialism, egotism, individualism, indulgence...

As High Priest Peter H. Gilmore said in a recent interview:

We see the U.S. as being very unique in history, the world's first Satanic republic, and so it is important to many Satanists.
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#123205 - 09/25/05 02:05 AM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: pitzi_83]
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A speculative country that selected Satanistic philosophies as its national religion? Intriguing.

I'm tempted to say that the United States is too far away from the good of the human condition to be considered Satanistic. While the freedom involved allows people to pursue their own indulgences, it also provides good old-fashioned Christian morality to guilt-trip and distort things that should be felt good about.

Ideally, a Satanic nation would have to start out that way in order to remove guilty stigmas. As a result, I'm sure, flocks of the religiously persecuted (I use the term loosely) would migrate into the area. Since it worked so well with Protestantism and the United States, it might actually be a good thing.

Good question to ask.
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#123206 - 09/25/05 11:52 AM Re: "Did Satan just picked one country"... [Re: Old_Pig]
pitzi_83 Offline


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All this talk makes me think about paying a visit to the US.

Man, all that freedom and diversity, all that commercialism
and culture...
Sound like a different plant!

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#123207 - 09/25/05 10:52 PM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: Phenylalanine]
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Registered: 09/19/05
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Capitalism can be seen as very Satanic, or opportunistic to Satanists, while liberal politics pushes ever so steadily to a Marxist/socialist stance, which tends to be weakness-empowering in many aspects, which one would think of as being anti-Satanic in nature.
In many ways the USA is very Satanic, and in other ways we are just the opposite. Freedoms, such as we've enjoyed, open wide avenues for both perspectives. I enjoy being able to walk into a corporate book store and buy the Satanic Bible, but I'm in opposition to the one who'll walk into the same store and buy fundamentalist Christian or Islamic literature because they support it. As much as WE would like to see it, I think a Satanic USA can never be. A free USA, though, enables us to thrive in ways we might not in other types of government.
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#123208 - 09/26/05 10:32 AM Re: A Satanic nation. [Re: Bloodfire]
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I think another problem with the United States declaring itself to be a Satanic nation is the concept of elitism inherent within Satanin philosophy. An entire country, or at least an important institution within a country like its government, embracing a religion or ideology will lead to it gaining a lot more followers than if it simply existed on its own. Do Satanists really want the entire country to be focused on Satanism and for Satanism to be a "goodguy badge" and a sign of conformity to the country's main religion? I certainly don't. I think that America's position as an unofficial Satanic nation (capitalism, relatively free speech, seperation of church and state for the most part) is perfectly fine, even if there are some cooky Christian out there trying to force their own ideas on the rest of us. They are free to do so, and I am free to ignore them.
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