#123653 - 10/03/05 04:34 PM
Re: gay marriage
[Re: Maninblack]
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"Conservative/christian media"?? What on Earth is that? The only media that fits that description is the christian "Trinity Broadcast Network" and I would venture to say no one posting here wastes any time watching that. I see the predominate media as very liberal.
I am in agreement with you, BoiAndrogyne, that there is a "panic" about this facet of education. My daughters both brought home permission slips to be signed before they could sit in on the sex-education aspect of Health class. And being very interested in this, I was able to deduce that (right here in Texas!!) the classes were very unbiased, courteous, and educational, with no mention of "limb insertion" or such nonsense. Is there now a "Sex-Ed Panic" among Satanists that rivals the "Satanic Panic" among christians in the 80's? I would surely hope not.
I am not sure about panic.
However, though the Satanist may choose to watch what he wants, if anything at all, one should remain aware that the media is the new God for the masses. It is now what gives them their values and sets the precident they aspire to live by.
It is a tool. And it is the tool by which the government and its minions surreptitiously drip-feeds the masses with the messages it wants to instil.
It is simply and undeniably the method (especially in America) by which the essentially Christian government perpertrates its agenda.
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#123654 - 10/03/05 04:46 PM
Re: gay marriage
[Re: Maninblack]
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I see celebrities who are political liberals mocked by an "Infotainment" media, which is conservative and largely "Christian", as telling people how to vote. I hate Bono as much as the next guy, but for different reasons than Rupert Murdoch and his War Against Unbiased Journalism does.
On a similar note, I largely disagree with Michael Moore's methods and determination to create a counter-propaganda to FOX-News and the like, but I can also see why he and his methods are necessary in the United States today.
Personally, I'm a fan of NPR.
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#123655 - 10/04/05 12:14 PM
Re: Yeah but... do they reall want to marry?
[Re: Old_Pig]
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Registered: 09/27/05
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I know gay people who don’t think gay marriage is a good idea. 
For what it's worth...the nastiest comments some of my fellow 'mos have come up with:
"Maybe they ought to legalize gay marriage, but not gay divorce. Then see what happens."
"I think I have to oppose it. The major highlight of a marriage is that there's supposed to be this wedding dress with a long, white train. It just _wouldn't be a REAL wedding without the DRESS!_ What the FUCK are people thinking??!"
--LightSnake
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#123656 - 10/04/05 01:37 PM
Re: gay marriage
[Re: VKat]
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Registered: 09/24/05
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Loc: Michigan
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That is a very valid argument; I can certainly see where someone would use that as a serious rebuttal.
It seems to boil down to socioeconomics versus politicopsychology.
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#123657 - 10/04/05 02:25 PM
Insurance Reasons
[Re: VKat]
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Registered: 03/09/05
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"If they legalise same sex marriages then the insurance companies will have to start insuring same sex partners as dependants. That would burn a hole in their bank account"
Many companies offer health benefits for Domestic Partnerships.
People have to pay to be part of the program but it still
costs less than going out-of-pocket to buy the insurance alone.
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#123658 - 10/04/05 02:56 PM
Re: Insurance Reasons
[Re: RandomStranger]
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Registered: 03/23/05
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Loc: Northern California
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"If they legalise same sex marriages then the insurance companies will have to start insuring same sex partners as dependants. That would burn a hole in their bank account"
Many companies offer health benefits for Domestic Partnerships.
People have to pay to be part of the program but it still
costs less than going out-of-pocket to buy the insurance alone.
I have looked into a lot of insurance companies and have never seen anything stated out right for Domestic Partnerships, but I never asked. I know that since some states still have common law marriages. The insurance companies will have you notarise a paper saying you have been living with the person for X amount of months. However I assumed that was only for male female since I have never seem common law marriage applied to the same sex.
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#123660 - 10/04/05 04:47 PM
Re: gay marriage
[Re: YoungSoulRebel]
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Registered: 03/22/05
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I see celebrities who are political liberals mocked by an "Infotainment" media, which is conservative and largely "Christian", as telling people how to vote. I hate Bono as much as the next guy, but for different reasons than Rupert Murdoch and his War Against Unbiased Journalism does.
On a similar note, I largely disagree with Michael Moore's methods and determination to create a counter-propaganda to FOX-News and the like, but I can also see why he and his methods are necessary in the United States today.
Personally, I'm a fan of NPR.
go see micheal moore hates america. Its really worth it to see both sides of an argument. I dont think hes necessary at all!
The guy making the movie is very patriotic, which is kind of annoying but he gets the point across. It also features an interview with penn gillette! how friggin cool is that?
anyways..I dont see the media as liberal or conservative. It seems to change with whatever people want to see at the time, and what channel you are watching. One brand of bs isnt any better than another.
and for the person who brought it up... I watch trinity broadcasting because its hilarious. Did you know yoga lets the demons in?
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#123661 - 10/04/05 05:10 PM
Re: gay marriage
[Re: uncleherpe]
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Registered: 09/19/05
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Loc: Garland, Texas
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...and for the person who brought it up... I watch trinity broadcasting because its hilarious. Did you know yoga lets the demons in?
Absolutely. As any "demonic" eastern practice would  !! I've watched for pure comedic relief myself. My reference to it earlier was the ridiculous supposition that someone here might watch it seriously 
Jan Crouch (Jeez...I know her name!!) is the new era Tammy Faye only with a monstrous Dolly Parton wig to accent the ghoulish make-up.
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#123662 - 10/04/05 05:21 PM
Re: gay marriage
[Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Registered: 10/29/04
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Loc: Ohio
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However, though the Satanist may choose to watch what he wants, if anything at all, one should remain aware that the media is the new God for the masses. It is now what gives them their values and sets the precident they aspire to live by.
It is a tool. And it is the tool by which the government and its minions surreptitiously drip-feeds the masses with the messages it wants to instil.
It is simply and undeniably the method (especially in America) by which the essentially Christian government perpertrates its agenda.
First of all, well said Warlock.
I always enjoy your cut-to-the-chase, no-bullshit perspective.
If you are interested in more details of the "why and wherefore" of this scenario, I would highly suggest reading up on Marshall McLuhan.
He has composed a lot of information on the "TV generations", and his theories include the digression from sequential/linear thought into contemporary/non-linear thought.
I would also suggest James A Winans, who I believe was the first to really study audience psychology and mass behaviorism.
HS!
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#123663 - 10/04/05 05:41 PM
Re: gay marriage
[Re: uncleherpe]
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Loc: Ann Arbor, MI
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See, there's a distinct difference between hating America and hating the people in currently charge and "getting the point across" is different fro stating unbiased facts.
I think Penn Gilette is just as cool as the next person, but he's also an entertainer, first and foremost. He's good at what he does because of his high charisma stats and his ability to hold people's interest.
...and if you really think the media is a reflection of the people rather than vise-versa, then you underestimatethe how many of the masses choose not to exercise their right to think for themselves.
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"Insane people are always sure that they are fine. It is only the sane people who are willing to admit that they are crazy."
- Nora Ephron
"Usually when you ask somebody in college why they are there, they'll tell you it's to get an education. The truth of it is, they are there to get the degree so that they can get ahead in the rat race. Too many college radicals are two-timing punks."
- Abbie Hoffman
"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, no meaning, and yet I'm happy. I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
- Charles M Schulz
“One of the great things about young people is that they do question, that they do care deeply about justice, and they they have open minds.”
- Zack de la Rocha
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#123665 - 10/04/05 06:10 PM
Re: Insurance Reasons
[Re: VKat]
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Registered: 03/09/05
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Loc: Here.
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Domestic Partners aren't the same as " common law marriages". Whatever route you take, make sure to be aware of the legal implications before making your choice.
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#123667 - 10/05/05 03:13 AM
Re: gay marriage
[Re: dragondancer]
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Registered: 07/06/05
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No, never saw that movie, but I'll see if I can't get a view sometime. It just seems obvious to me that the two issues that are most important to the common American, terrorists and gay marriage, (incidentally what got our current president elected, fighting terrorists abroad and gays at home) are the two things I just can go ahead and not care about. These are the things that are being paraded around as this decades boogie men, so why bother fretting over it?
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