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#124833 - 10/01/05 02:30 PM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: Barb]
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Now I have to decide between Coke and Pepsi?
Hmmm...but the third way could be Dr. Pepper.



I like either Mountain Dew or root beer.




Its aaaaaaaaaaall about root beer. But remember, the cool kids slip a little JD in there too...

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#124834 - 10/01/05 02:40 PM Re: The Lord hath spoken... [Re: Quaark]
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Mr. Lynch and The Lord go way back.




It shows in Lynch's very clear plot developments, and strong grip on reality.
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#124836 - 10/01/05 02:43 PM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: BlameMe]
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But remember, the cool kids slip a little JD in there too...




True...but the kids with class pass it all up for Tanqueray on the rocks.
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#124837 - 10/01/05 03:42 PM The Lord's pourings [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Dear Rooster,

Warlock Daark is quite right about the nature of the Lord’s dream-hauntings:

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The dreams are directed by David Lynch.



But there is another aspect of the hauntings to consider, an aspect I think you know intuitively. As you questioned:

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If the Lord of Coke and Hot Dogs invades my dreams...what are we talking about? Mildly annoying dreams, terrifying dreams, or, since a beverage is involved, a not so dry dream?



Definitely a not so dry dream.

However, this may not mean what you think. Do not celebrate too quickly. Though from your avatar I see that you don pampers and are, to some degree, protected, please understand that down below you have two holes out of which wetness may pour. Sometimes the pouring fourth is pleasurable and great fun. But sometimes the pouring flows from the other place. And this experience is neither pleasurable nor fun.

Which pouring might the Lord smite thee with?

Again, I think intuitively you know the answer.

DarkWater

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#124838 - 10/01/05 03:49 PM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: LordMoloch]
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Satanists have a tendency to value reason and logic very highly. I know I do. I have my own answer to this question based on modern logic sequences and the way in which we deal with if-then statements . I am posting to get a response from others. I was wondering how a Satanist (and I am particularly interested in the opinions of those who are members and hold offices in the COS) would respond to the Ontological Argument for the existence of God. Mainly referring to St. Anselm (1066 A.D.) and Descartes. I will not go into detail about their arguments, if you don't know them then please learn about them prior to posting a response. Please note that this is not an attack, simply a question concerning a logical argument.




The bottom line is that you cannot argue or define something into existence.
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#124839 - 10/01/05 03:50 PM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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But remember, the cool kids slip a little JD in there too...




True...but the kids with class pass it all up for Tanqueray on the rocks.




you shut your dirty, whorish, lying mouth!!! Jack Daniels has class! IT DOES IT DOES IT DOEEEEEEEESSSSS!

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#124840 - 10/01/05 09:31 PM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: BlameMe]
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you shut your dirty, whorish, lying mouth!!! Jack Daniels has class! IT DOES IT DOES IT DOEEEEEEEESSSSS!




You found me out...I do like Jack Daniels. I have also been known to drink Old Crow. But...Dirty...Whorish...Why the compliments...Thank you!
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#124841 - 10/01/05 09:35 PM Re: The Lord's pourings [Re: DarkWater]
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Which pouring might the Lord smite thee with?

Again, I think intuitively you know the answer.






Oh...shit.
That's my answer, not an expletive.
You are right about David Lynch. I drank Pepsi last week. That night, I had a dream. It ended with small person talking backwards.
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#124842 - 10/02/05 03:54 AM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: Svengali]
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Satanists have a tendency to value reason and logic very highly. I know I do. I have my own answer to this question based on modern logic sequences and the way in which we deal with if-then statements . I am posting to get a response from others. I was wondering how a Satanist (and I am particularly interested in the opinions of those who are members and hold offices in the COS) would respond to the Ontological Argument for the existence of God. Mainly referring to St. Anselm (1066 A.D.) and Descartes. I will not go into detail about their arguments, if you don't know them then please learn about them prior to posting a response. Please note that this is not an attack, simply a question concerning a logical argument.




The bottom line is that you cannot argue or define something into existence.




I think you just summed up ontological arguments and why they don't work in one sentence beautifully.
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#124843 - 10/05/05 03:48 PM Re: The Lord hath spoken... [Re: DarkWater]
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>> for the Lord of Coke and Hot Dogs hath spoken:

Thank you for spreading the word.
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#124844 - 10/10/05 03:47 PM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: LordMoloch]
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I studied this argument in some detail back in philosophy school. It is often presented in introductory philosophy or logic courses as an easy example of a bad argument, but in my advanced metaphysics course, we spent some time exploring exactly what is wrong with it. The standard criticisms of it--proves too much, not specific to God, existence not a predicate--seem sound, but it still has its fans. The philosopher Alvin Plantinga developed a version of it that used techniques of modal logic to go from possibly being necessary to being necessarily actual, and got into one of the national news magazines in the 1970s for having proved the existence of God. No firm result lasts long in philosophy, but Plantinga's work is probably the most sophisticated variant of the ontological argument, so if you're interested in it, you might enjoy grappling with his writings. I could never get myself to take it seriously because of my strong presumption against conclusions in favor of spirit-beings, and I'm especially sympathetic to the "proves too much" class of objections (isn't the Easter Bunny a rabbit than which none greater can be conceived?).

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#124845 - 10/10/05 03:51 PM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: Helian]
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There are even pseudo-satanic cultniks who have presented ontological arguments for the existence of "Satan."
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#124846 - 10/10/05 05:28 PM Re: Ontological Arguments [Re: Svengali]
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I was certainly smiling with your reply above, but now I'm laughing.

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