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#125380 - 10/04/05 04:02 PM The concept of "Strong"
Lord Xolothi Offline


Registered: 09/25/05
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Loc: Italia
Greetings to all
I am an question.
What's are exactly the concept of strong for the Satanic Philophy?
In which measure one can judge himself like strong or weak?
Hail to all Satanist.
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#125381 - 10/04/05 04:45 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
TrojZyr Offline
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Strength can come in many different forms, but ultimately, being strong is about being able to survive and thrive in life, that is, being able to conquer obstacles and problems, and indulge fully in life. Any number of qualities, traits, or abilities can endow one with or allow one to exercise superiority or strength, so obviously, it's not *just* about being in tip-top physical shape. (See my signature for more information.)
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#125382 - 10/04/05 08:07 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
Laren Offline


Registered: 10/02/05
Posts: 54
Loc: Australia
I love strength.
I love having it, I love gaining it, and I like seeing others use it.

Personally I would define 'Satanic Strength' as strength in all areas of life, physical, mental and emotional. Be the best you can be.
I consider myself strong because of the large amount of crap I've been through , especially with highschool... I survived it, I graduated, I have learnt more about human behavour there than any scientific fact could tell me.
Thats more than some of my peers were able to do. I am also physcially stronger than most females my age and above, I always have been and I love working out and maintaining this...
Also strength of will. Very important. I knew I was going to graduate, I knew there would be alot of crap to get there. No two ways about it. It was going to be done. My will kept me alive.

Strength means survival.

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#125383 - 10/04/05 08:59 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Laren]
Maya Offline
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Loc: New England
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Strength means survival.




Well put. No matter what else you may have or may think you have in life, you're just plain fucked if you can't survive and that's all there is to it.

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#125384 - 10/04/05 10:04 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
reprobate Offline

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Can you do what you want to do? Have what you want to have?
Can you protect what you love against those who would take it away?
Are you master of yourself? (This is not the same as being no one else's slave)

This is strength.
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#125385 - 10/04/05 11:14 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
Jack_Lantern Offline
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Strength is not necessarily absence of weakness. Everyone has weaknesses, the important thing is to be able to overcome them, or turn them into an advantage if overcoming is not possible. Self overcoming, this is strength.
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#125386 - 12/07/05 06:46 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
Barb Offline

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What does strength mean to me? Strength is the eternal flame that burns inside of me; that flame of pure passion for life. It is a force of initiative to be the best I can be. It is my audacious desire to make the most of my life. It is my ability to achieve the goals I set for myself and the responsibility I choose to have for my own life. Satanism is my strength, but moreover, I am my strength, and I am because I choose to be. My strength is my willpower, it is my soul, and it is the power of the God that I am.
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"Life is the great indulgence-death the great abstinence. Therefore, make the most of life-here and now!" ~Anton Szandor LaVey

"The true test of anyone's worth as a living creature is how much he can utilize what he has." ~Anton Szandor LaVey

"Twenty percent of your priorities will give you 80 percent of your production, IF you spend your time, energy, money, and personnel on the top 20 percent of your priorities." ~The Pareto Principle, as stated by John C. Maxwell

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#125387 - 12/07/05 07:01 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Barb]
reprobate Offline

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Strength is the eternal flame that burns inside of me; that flame of pure passion for life.




Am I only dreaming? Or is this burning an eternal flame?
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#125388 - 12/07/05 07:54 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: TrojZyr]
Lilithflower Offline


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Loc: Sydney, Australia
I think Satanic strength is also about a strong personality: Be yourself, don't allow others to tell you what to think or how to live, learn from your own mistakes and become the best that you can be. To quote another corny pop song:
"If I fail, if I succeed,
At least I lived as I believe!"

Be your own wo/man, your own god -and as much as some people might hate you, they will respect you. More importantly, you will respect yourself.
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#125389 - 12/07/05 09:00 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
Old_Pig Offline


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Posts: 3969
Loc: The Deep South
I think strength of will is the first and most important. All other kinds of strength derivate from that one.
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#125390 - 12/07/05 09:26 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
dragondancer Offline

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Strength is when life knocks you down and on your way back up you smite life back with all your force! It is when you view your hardships not as problems, but as challenges that will make your life better in some way.


Hail Satan!
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#125391 - 12/08/05 12:18 AM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lilithflower]
StabAvery Offline

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The first page of www.churchofsatan.com says "were looking for a few outstanding indiviguals". I think that means strong in every aspect you can strengthen. Thats how I operate.
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#125392 - 12/08/05 07:10 PM Concept of "Fishing"... [Re: Lord Xolothi]
DataLore Offline


Registered: 11/22/05
Posts: 441
Loc: Holodeck 3
I suspect...

and the game is not aquatic...

Why must one ask a question such as this?
Someone needs to know how to be strong?

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#125393 - 12/08/05 07:15 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
Hagen von Tronje Offline

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Strength is whatever it takes to win, whether its brute force, clever thinking, gratuitous displays of T&A, or any combination thereof.

Simple as that.
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#125394 - 12/09/05 06:41 AM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Old_Pig]
pitzi_83 Offline


Registered: 03/30/05
Posts: 326
Loc: Israel
Quote:

I think strength of will is the first and most important. All other kinds of strength derivate from that one.




The most logical answer I found here.

I think that different traits can turn powerfull willed persons into
certain title baring entities. for instance, add imagination and
ampirical thought and you might end up with a genious.
add charisma and manipulation, you might end up with a leader. etc...

(Sure, it takes more then that, but those seem to be the basics. the "cookie dough" [misspell?])

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#125395 - 12/09/05 08:06 AM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: reprobate]
Mason_Rust Offline

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Loc: Michigan, USA
Reprobate, I understand. I feel the same. Now say my name and be done with it.
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#125396 - 12/11/05 12:16 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: reprobate]
Barb Offline

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Posts: 587
Quote:

Or is this burning an eternal flame?




You could be dreaming, because I can’t really tell what you are saying...

I’m “burning an eternal flame” by poetically saying that it dwells inside of me?

...Unless you are suggesting that the eternal flame is not something that should just be kept on the inside, but rather, it is something that should be projected outward. In using magic to accomplish things, I project my energy and stimulation toward my desired outcome instead of just hiding it inside and not doing anything about it. If I were to hide my inner strength inside myself, then it wouldn’t really exist on the outside.

And how could I project my feelings if I kept them to myself? Strength comes through joy, and so it is important to show your feeling of joy. If you feel it strongly enough, it will inevitably show; therefore, if it is only on the inside, then you would not be feeling it strongly enough for it to be effective.

Is this what you are taking about?

I should revise my sentence:
Strength is like the eternal flame that dwells inside and out; the joy and passion I feel for life; the stimulation I get that gives me the power to conquer any formidability I face.
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"... it is much more gratifying to change your own world than the whole world." ~Magistra Ygraine

"Life is the great indulgence-death the great abstinence. Therefore, make the most of life-here and now!" ~Anton Szandor LaVey

"The true test of anyone's worth as a living creature is how much he can utilize what he has." ~Anton Szandor LaVey

"Twenty percent of your priorities will give you 80 percent of your production, IF you spend your time, energy, money, and personnel on the top 20 percent of your priorities." ~The Pareto Principle, as stated by John C. Maxwell

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#125397 - 12/12/05 10:05 AM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
crackergirl Offline


Registered: 11/15/05
Posts: 323
Loc: Kansas
The Pantera song "Mouth For War" always puts this question into perspective for me, and also helps me get some serious head-banging done!

"When I channel my hate to productive, I don't find it hard to impress." -Phil Anselmo

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#125398 - 12/12/05 02:24 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
G.F.V. Offline
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The concept of being strong, in my opinion, all boils down to perseverance and overcoming of problems that one faces.

Here's my 9 points on what I view as strength:
-Being able to work under pressure.
-Not settling for anything second best.
-Having capability to tackle tasks that are challenging.
-Knowing what you are best at, and mastering it.
-Learning from mistakes and refusing to make them again.
-Refusing apathy and carelessness.
-Knowing your minor weaknesses and flaws, and trying to improve them.
-Maintaining a healthy, fit diet and lifestyle.
-Thinking and making decisions for yourself.

The number one thing I view as a weakness is:
Irresponsibility, knowing that he or she is irresponsible, and doing absolutely nothing to improve it.

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#125399 - 12/12/05 02:33 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Barb]
reprobate Offline

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Yes, yes, that's exactly what I mean. "Can you hear my heart beating? Do you understand? Do you feel the same?"


Edited by reprobate (12/12/05 02:34 PM)
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#125400 - 12/12/05 03:23 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: reprobate]
Bruja Offline

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Loc: Atlanta, GA.
Close your eyes, give me your hand.

Am I only dreaming?
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#125401 - 12/12/05 07:26 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: reprobate]
Barb Offline

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Quote:

"Can you hear my heart beating? Do you understand? Do you feel the same?"



Yes, I must be quite receptive.

Or am I only dreaming? ...nah.
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"... it is much more gratifying to change your own world than the whole world." ~Magistra Ygraine

"Life is the great indulgence-death the great abstinence. Therefore, make the most of life-here and now!" ~Anton Szandor LaVey

"The true test of anyone's worth as a living creature is how much he can utilize what he has." ~Anton Szandor LaVey

"Twenty percent of your priorities will give you 80 percent of your production, IF you spend your time, energy, money, and personnel on the top 20 percent of your priorities." ~The Pareto Principle, as stated by John C. Maxwell

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#125402 - 12/13/05 09:46 AM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
Grima Offline


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Loc: Netherlands
True strength to me is using your abilities to their fullest and in perfecting them being able to achieve the goals you have set yourself in life.
Some see true strength in athletes perfecting their bodies, but I can also see strength in a scholar using his brains in order to get what he/she wants.
That to me is true strength; knowing what you are good at but also knowing your weaknesses and being able to go further from there.

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#125403 - 12/13/05 09:54 AM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Grima]
crackergirl Offline


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This goes along with something my grandmother used to say, I think.

"Strength is not the absence of obstacles, but the ability to overcome them."

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#125404 - 12/13/05 12:08 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: crackergirl]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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Quote:

This goes along with something my grandmother used to say, I think.

"Strength is not the absence of obstacles, but the ability to overcome them."




Or, as Winston Churchill used to say:

"success is the ability to go from one failure to the next with no loss of enthusiasm."

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#125405 - 12/13/05 12:46 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
DarkWater Offline
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Quote:

Or, as Winston Churchill used to say:

"Success is the ability to go from one failure to the next with no loss of enthusiasm."



I mean no disrespect to you, Warlock, or to Churchill, but this statement is happy horseshit.

If a person goes from one failure to the next while keeping a goofy smile on his face and a song in his heart, I’d call him an eternal-optimist or a pigheaded-oaf, depending on my mood and the circumstances involved. But a success? Hardly! The ability to continue after a failure might be a necessary condition to success, if failure is encountered along the way. But much more than an enthusiastic attitude is needed to end a cycle of failure. If given a very generous reading, Churchill’s statement might hint at this truth, but as it stands now, I equate it with other horseshit favorites:

You deserve to be happy!

I’m ok! You’re ok!

We’re all created equal!



DarkWater


p.s. It’s a slow day at work.

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#125406 - 12/13/05 01:51 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: DarkWater]
crackergirl Offline


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I mean no disrespect to you, Warlock, or to Churchill, but this statement is happy horseshit.

If a person goes from one failure to the next while keeping a goofy smile on his face and a song in his heart, I’d call him an eternal-optimist or a pigheaded-oaf, depending on my mood and the circumstances involved. But a success? Hardly!





I agree. My English teacher in 9th grade always used to say, "Don't try harder. Try different." I think that bears mentioning.

Quote:


The ability to continue after a failure might be a necessary condition to success, if failure is encountered along the way. But much more than an enthusiastic attitude is needed to end a cycle of failure.





This certainly goes along with what my grandmother said a bit better. The "ability to OVERCOME those obstacles." I wouldn't waste my time climbing up the down escalator.

Quote:


If given a very generous reading, Churchill’s statement might hint at this truth,





Not feeling very generous today then? Ah, me neither.

Quote:


but as it stands now, I equate it with other horseshit favorites:




Maybe we can fix them.

Quote:


You deserve to be happy!





But since your being happy will make me miserable, fuck you.

Better? Okay. I'll try another one.


Quote:


I’m ok! You’re ok!




And everyone else is a bunch of assholes.

This is fun!

Quote:


We’re all created equal!




That's what the people that sell Coors Light say.
"Less filling. Same great taste." So why the hell do we need regular Coors????

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#125407 - 12/13/05 02:53 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: DarkWater]
TrojZyr Offline
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Good spin on that quotation, Dark. Good point.

The quotation is true IF one assumes that the enthusiastic individual has learned from the failure, and is pursuing goals that are attainable and reasonable. It is important to not let failure steal one's ambition or joie de vivre. In my life, I've quit a lot of things because they got too difficult or too confusing, but if I'd stuck with it, I could've become quite good at marital arts, fencing, and playing the piano, among other things.

But, you're correct that the silly Pollyanna who bangs his face against the wall, says an empowering phrase, and then does it again is an idiot who's going to need plastic surgery. If at first you don't succeed, figure out what caused you to fail, so you can do something different, and better, the next time. Also, take into account the balance factor when creating goals and forging dreams.
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#125408 - 12/13/05 02:53 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: DarkWater]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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>>I mean no disrespect to you, Warlock, or to Churchill, but this statement is happy horseshit<<

I don't think it was meant to be taken too seriously.
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#125409 - 12/13/05 03:40 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
DarkWater Offline
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Quote:

I don't think it was meant to be taken too seriously.



Agreed. I was just having a little fun. Like I said, it's a slow day at work. (Does anyone know how to make a thumb-twiddling emoticon?)

Still, it is interesting how these happy horseshit mottos form foundational pillars upon which many people build their lives. The pathetic truth is that people do take these slogans seriously. They form a sort of pop philosophy. Apart from the sayings I mentioned earlier, here are a few favored by Christians:

Hate the sin, but love the sinner!

With every temptation, God provides a means of escape.

I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength.

Let go and let God!



Any of these sound familiar?

I could make the list much, much longer.

But I've got more thumb-twiddling to do...


DarkWater

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#125410 - 12/13/05 03:47 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: crackergirl]
DarkWater Offline
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Quote:

My English teacher in 9th grade always used to say, "Don't try harder. Try different."



Tell your English teacher that she ought to use correct grammar! She should say, "Try differently." The modifier is an adverb. This particular adverb ends in -ly.


DarkWater

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#125411 - 12/13/05 03:55 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: TrojZyr]
DarkWater Offline
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Registered: 07/15/05
Posts: 784
Loc: SinCity
Quote:

The quotation is true IF one assumes that the enthusiastic individual has learned from the failure, and is pursuing goals that are attainable and reasonable.



Ahh, there's that generous reading I mentioned.


Quote:

...the silly Pollyanna who bangs his face against the wall, says an empowering phrase, and then does it again is an idiot who's going to need plastic surgery.



It is not without good reason that you are one of my favorites here, Lady TrojZyr.

Looks, brains, and can make me laugh!




DarkWater

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#125412 - 12/14/05 10:42 AM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: DarkWater]
TrojZyr Offline
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Registered: 07/25/01
Posts: 12990
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Thank you, dearie .

"I'm a driver!"

WHAM!

"I'm a winner!"

WHAM!

"Things are gonna change! I can feel it!"

WHAM!
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"Gentlemen, the verdict is guilty, on all ten counts of first-degree stupidity. The penalty phase will now begin."--Divine, "Pink Flamingos."

"The strong rule the weak, and the cunning rule over all." HS!

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#125413 - 12/14/05 06:43 PM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Bruja]
Barb Offline

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Quote:

Close your eyes, give me your hand.

Am I only dreaming?



This had provoked me to add to this - just for fun :

Take my hand, as I close my eyes.
Close your eyes, and come with me, I’ll take you for a ride;
Through abysmal depths of what we can unfold,
Come with me and ride the waves; the waves of thoughts divine...
Am I only dreaming?
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"... it is much more gratifying to change your own world than the whole world." ~Magistra Ygraine

"Life is the great indulgence-death the great abstinence. Therefore, make the most of life-here and now!" ~Anton Szandor LaVey

"The true test of anyone's worth as a living creature is how much he can utilize what he has." ~Anton Szandor LaVey

"Twenty percent of your priorities will give you 80 percent of your production, IF you spend your time, energy, money, and personnel on the top 20 percent of your priorities." ~The Pareto Principle, as stated by John C. Maxwell

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#125414 - 12/17/05 07:24 AM Re: The concept of "Strong" [Re: Lord Xolothi]
annu Offline


Registered: 07/19/05
Posts: 21
Loc: Europe
Being strong is not letting anything hold you back.
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