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#131469 - 11/09/05 04:00 PM 9th Enochian Key Question
novusopiate Offline


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Excerpt from the Ninth Key:
**If quote is violating any copyright laws, please inform me and I will edit to comply**

"A mighty guard of fire with two-edged swords flaming (which contain the vials of delusion, whose wings are of worm-wood and the marrow of salt)[...]"

My question pertains mainly to the "substances" which Dr. LaVey refers to during the introduction of and in the text of this Key.

He points that this Key is warning against:
"the use of substances, devices or pharmaceuticals which might lead to the delusion and subsequent enslavement of the master".

I do not use illegal drugs. We'll get that out of the way now.
But many (especially recovering alcoholics) will point out the drug-like qualities of alcohol. I enjoy the occasional brew but have rarely partook to the point of complete inebriation. I have also partook of Absinthe once (whose active ingredient is wormwood or thuijone) and throughly enjoyed the flavor and aroma. (A fine drink might I add )

Is this key mainly warning about the use of said substances in excess, or acting as a general warning to stay away for they may ultimately lead to disempowering the user?

As a side note, it is highly possible that I am looking to much into this. I may just need to come back to it at a later time.


Ave Satanas!



Edited by novusopiate (11/09/05 04:01 PM)
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#131470 - 11/09/05 04:04 PM Re: 9th Enochian Key Question [Re: novusopiate]
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Quote:


Is this key mainly warning about the use of said substances in excess, or acting as a general warning to stay away for they may ultimately lead to disempowering the user?





I see it as being a warning against the excessive use of such substances, to the point in which it controls you. Addiction, for example.
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#131471 - 11/09/05 04:16 PM Re: 9th Enochian Key Question [Re: novusopiate]
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"the use of substances, devices or pharmaceuticals which might lead to the delusion and subsequent enslavement of the master".


Don not get confused on this issue. Dr. LaVey and the Church of Satan have always been against the use of illegal and mind-altering drugs. There are clear passages on this in THE SATANIC WITCH as well as interviews.

This extends to alcohol or any other LEGAL substance when it results in delusion, lack of self-control, impaired judgement, or any form of compulsive behavior or addiction.

You can readily identify people who ARE NOT with the program by their use or advocacy of mind altering substances.

Anyone who does not understand this (or who is idiotic enough to quibble about coffee and cigarrettes), should get on their fucking horse and ride.
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#131472 - 11/09/05 04:20 PM Re: 9th Enochian Key Question [Re: Svengali]
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I have yet to read The Satanic Witch, but (as with all of Dr. LaVey's works) plan to do so.

Thank you both for clarification.
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#131473 - 11/09/05 06:13 PM Re: 9th Enochian Key Question [Re: Svengali]
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I know the answer but need to ask just to have it in black and white...

How about powerful mind-altering substances legally prescribed by a physician to treat a medical condition? Amphetamines, opiates, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, barbiturates and so on all have their proper place in medicine. An old friend of mine only functions because of the dexedrine he takes three times a day(?!) to treat his narcolepsy. Another one who died a while back avoided the wasting and nausea of his last few months of chemo through (doctor-prescribed) medical marijuana.

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#131474 - 11/09/05 06:35 PM Re: 9th Enochian Key Question [Re: ribbit]
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legally prescribed by a physician to treat a medical condition




The answer is obvious.
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#131475 - 11/09/05 06:51 PM Re: 9th Enochian Key Question [Re: ribbit]
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I believe this question was already answered.

This extends to alcohol or any other LEGAL substance when it results in delusion, lack of self-control, impaired judgement, or any form of compulsive behavior or addiction.

In the cases you sited, your friends where prescribed these substances by their doctors. Hence, so long as they take them in the manner in which they're prescribed, they are legal and therefore fall under that statement.

There's a difference between using prescribed substances to to treat a medical condition and being a slave to addiction.
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#131476 - 11/09/05 10:31 PM Re: 9th Enochian Key Question [Re: Svengali]
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Thanks Virus9 and Svengali. The answer was indeed obvious. On important issues it can be worthwhile to pin it down and make it explicit.

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