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#13207 - 10/05/03 02:27 PM Destroying an enemy
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I'd like to read your opinions about how would you act if involved in this hypothetical situation.

Suppose there is this individual, who offended and insulted you, without provocation from your part and made himself a gratuitous enemy of yours. Not only by words, but by actions he interferes with your life and makes himself an annoyance.

You plan to exact revenge on him. Upon studying the situation, you find there are two possible courses of action you can take, both guaranteed to succeed, but the context and circumstances demand that you take only one of these options.

Number one will force him to apologize to you in public, in a way that will be very humiliating for him. He will not be physically or economically harmed, but from the moral point of view he will suffer a devastating defeat and you will be the victor in front of everyone. You will not receive any material reward, but the outcome will be rewarding for your ego. After that, he will continue his life as before, except he will never bother you again.

Number two will set a chain of events ending with him losing his business and all his properties. You know this will be psychologically devastating for him to the point of committing suicide, so his destruction will be complete. To everybody his ruin would look like a chain of coincidences. Some amount of his money will end up on your hands, so there will be a material reward, but nobody will ever know you were the cause of his demise.

Which option do you think is the more Satanic approach?
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#13208 - 10/05/03 02:54 PM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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Whichever one you like better.
All you need do is figure out which one gives you more satisfaction.

The value that is placed on material gain is up to you. So is the value of the ego boost from the apology.
Also consider how much his suffering is worth to you. Do you care in this case how much he suffers or just that he doesn't interfere with you anymore?

The Satanic choice is the one that is the best for you, as you consider it.

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#13209 - 10/05/03 03:38 PM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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Both are perfectly legitimate. I'd prefer the latter, myself, but that's because I'm such a bitch.

Of course, it would depend on the offense---If the person initially humiliated me in public, I'd like some tit for tat.
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#13210 - 10/05/03 03:44 PM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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I agree with the others; both options are Satanic, depending on whether you're more concerned with your ego, your wallet, or your sense of vengeance. I would personally choose number two, because right now I could use some extra money a lot more than some extra recognition. I don't really care whether the person "gets his" or in what manner he does, so long as he's out of my face.

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#13211 - 10/05/03 06:45 PM option 3 [Re: Old_Pig]
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give him a stone cold stunner


and hope that
vince mcmahon will clean up your act


better yet
give you a nice contract in the WWE

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#13212 - 10/05/03 06:53 PM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
Hagen von Tronje Offline

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I think others are correct is stating that this is a matter of your personal goals, and neither answer is more Satanic than the other.

For my part, I think it depends on context.

Has his slight to me been purely one of reputation? If so, it would be a boon to my reputation to force his apology and humiliation. This would in fact be more practical since it would amend the damage caused, and reverse this damage on the offender.

On the other hand, if his continued existence posed a threat to my success, if his affairs competed with mine, if I could expect ongoing problems from this human, I would prefer option two. In this case, my reputation is not in question, and boosting it by demeaning him is of little use. Removing him as an adversary, even if it cannot be connected to me, achieves the goal. If this fate befalls all who oppose me, then I'll wind up with little opposition.
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#13213 - 10/05/03 08:40 PM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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I rarely reply to hypothetical situations because of the overabundance of real situations one must deal with. However, reading the first situation brought a qoute to mind. Unfortunately, I forget who said it so I cannot give credit where credit is due. (Ok, I am too lazy to go to Google.)

"The best revenge is to be forgiving."

If someone has wronged you, yet you choose to make the appearance of doing the descent (right thing in the eyes of the flock) you can enhance your reputation by gaining the trust and help of more of the flock.

Additionally, sometimes a destruction ritual would be pointless. There is one individual I know who truly deserves a destruction ritual. However, she is deeply in debt, in poor health, and sexually frustrated. At this point, I believe the only thing a destruction ritual would add to her life is a merciful death. However, if I act forgiving to her, I gain more respect and she receives less compassion.

I hope you enjoy this food for thought.

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#13214 - 10/05/03 09:00 PM Re: Destroying an enemy
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Quote:

"The best revenge is to be forgiving."




That is something very few can accomplish!

Quote:

I hope you enjoy this food for thought.




I most certainly have, thank you .

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#13215 - 10/05/03 09:38 PM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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As the others have said, it's a matter of preference--the "Satanic" thing to do is whatever gratifies you. Revenge is a very personal thing for me, so I would go with option one. There is nothing quite as pleasing as seeing someone you despise being publicly humiliated. It's also more satisfying if the enemy knows who is destroying him (and why) than if he just blames bad luck--that way, you can see him quake in his boots.
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#13216 - 10/06/03 12:17 AM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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For me, number 1.

The extent of your power is visible and on display, giving others a warning not to ruffle your feathers. Humiliation is quite devastating in and of itself, because it damages his/her reputation and credibility, so further attacks by said party will be futile as well as infantile and too visible as an attack of spite. Unless he or she is a crazy fucker, than anything is possible.

Your enemy is most dangerous when he or she has nothing else to lose.
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#13217 - 10/06/03 12:29 AM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Malin_Wolf]
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I like the second one. Hate and revenge are a personal thing for me.

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#13218 - 10/06/03 02:55 PM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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For an interesting opinion on the subject, read Desiterata Satanicus on the CoS website.

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#13219 - 10/06/03 04:05 PM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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Thanks all for your answers. I see we all agree both options are equally Satanic, but every one would choose the one more fit to his personal tastes and situation. It's been very instructing to read each of your elaborations on the topic!
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#13220 - 10/06/03 04:21 PM Re: Destroying an enemy
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Quote:

I hope you enjoy this food for thought.





Indeed it is! I hadn't thought of a third option. Your point is very interesting. I see there is some situation when "forgiving" will give you "respectability points" on the eyes of others. On the long run this may give you more satisfaction than a direct attack on the enemy.

As you say, if their lives are already miserable, letting them live is even more sadistic than squashing them!

Thanks for sharing your wisdom!
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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.
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#13221 - 10/07/03 10:37 AM Re: Destroying an enemy [Re: Old_Pig]
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I would go with both of them, but taking them in order; option one, and then option two. When I hit somebody, I make sure they never get back up. I think the reason I would do such a thing is because, as it's said in the SB, you should get revenge 100 fold. Only ultimate and utter destruction is appropiate for my enemies. Not to mention, I could use a few extra bucks after due to being layed off recently

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