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#132921 - 11/17/05 09:48 PM leather bound satanic bibles
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I found a really cool website selling The satanic bible and The satanic rituals bound in leather, definately worth checking out... **Link Removed**


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#132922 - 11/17/05 10:40 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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I was going to start a thread and post a question about this online shop.
My question, was as to whether this shop is trustworthy or not.
There are so many online shops out there who don't deliver, as others have noted in past posts.

Do you have personal experience ordering from this shop, and if so, how is the quality of their handiwork?

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#132923 - 11/17/05 10:53 PM Satanic Bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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I had a long discussion with the owner of this company, and some correspondence about them with the COS. The goat skins appear to be the only non-predator skin they use from animals NOT slain for food, however, they are from more organized and centralized aboitoirs, which follow more strict guidlines for the killing of the animals, which is much less painful than decentralized operations. Additionally, although the goats are indeed slain for their skins more than their meat, their skins are also used for food as well. While I would prefer them to be exclusively from animals slain for food, I found it ironic that goats slain for food are usually subjected to the more painful methods of decentralized operations than the abotoirs, which employ less painful methods of death to the animals--out of not only mercy, but quality, since a thrashing animal damages the skin.

The owner himself seemed a very responsible man, although not a Satanist himself. His business is actually a smaller component of a larger operation. After investigating his tannery sources, I have little objection to the sources whence his skins were derived, and was impressed with his responsive and responsible attitude in the matter. Although I never received an outright answer regarding copyright compensation to COS, I am under the impression that he purchases copies of the books and simply changes the bindings, to which the COS has verified their approval of. Anyone wishing more detailed information on his tannery supply and their skin-harvesting methods may email me at datagod@gmail.com for supporting documentation. For more information regarding anything else, please contact the COS, since I am not an authorized representative.

I would be overjoyed to see this principle expanded and developed into an even better product. Would it not be wonderful to have copies of the Satanic Bible and Rituals, or even other books, on fine bible-paper, and with sewn-bound spines enlivened by cobra-skin. I only wish I had some skills to offer in this area to get the idea off the ground. I have called this to the attention of Magister Ventrue's Satanic Emporium, yet have not received a response. I would certainly be happy to pay a premium rate for something like this. Perhaps a second phase could consist of an entire "Satanic Library," of similar caliber, drawn from LaVey's book list, or the COS recommended reading list. Imagine a copy of "Letters from the Earth" in such a handsome tome. Nice.

In the interest of Aesthetics if nothings else, wouldn't this be wonderful?


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#132924 - 11/17/05 11:08 PM Re: Satanic Bibles [Re: Quiddity]
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I would be overjoyed to see this principle expanded and developed into an even better product. Would it not be wonderful to have copies of the Satanic Bible and Rituals, or even other books, on fine bible-paper, and with sewn-bound spines enlivened by cobra-skin. I only wish I had some skills to offer in this area to get the idea off the ground. I have called this to the attention of Magister Ventrue's Satanic Emporium, yet have not received a response. I would certainly be happy to pay a premium rate for something like this. Perhaps a second phase could consist of an entire "Satanic Library," of similar caliber, drawn from LaVey's book list, or the COS recommended reading list. Imagine a copy of "Letters from the Earth" in such a handsome tome. Nice.

In the interest of Aesthetics if nothings else, wouldn't this be wonderful?




I agree whole-heartedly!
I would be overjoyed to see the Emporium carry these fine hand-bound tomes!
Thank you for also addressing the issue, of the source for the tannery skins.

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#132925 - 11/17/05 11:42 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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Those are great!

Does the good Magister have any insight on this company?

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#132926 - 11/18/05 12:00 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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Funny thing, you mentioning that. I have began my journey to saving up some hard earned cash (This time) to purchase the Satanic Bible from them.

Did you also know that they will etch in "gold" your name etc.
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#132927 - 11/18/05 12:08 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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Just visited this website, and my personal opinion is .

Inverted crosses and pentagrams , it would make it more handsome and genuine to have the CoS Sigil to it.

I don't find them so great or cool, and has been said in earlier posts concerning these item's Yes I also love the idea, but I think it has to be sold and better made through our great Emporiom.
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#132928 - 11/18/05 12:14 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Citizen_HHG]
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Just visited this website, and my personal opinion is .

Inverted crosses and pentagrams , it would make it more handsome and genuine to have the CoS Sigil to it.

I don't find them so great or cool, and has been said in earlier posts concerning these item's Yes I also love the idea, but I think it has to be sold and better made through our great Emporiom.




Agreed.

I'd perfer to buy from actual CoS members instead.

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#132929 - 11/18/05 02:08 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Citizen_HHG]
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Well, as in all capitalist ventures, when there is a demand, someone will supply. Right now it looks like this guy is the only supplier. I think patience would be a virtue in this situation however. That, and voiced "demands".
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#132930 - 11/18/05 02:24 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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Perhaps appealing to some eyes, but it seems like another way for a smart guy to make a buck off of "satanists".

The copies I have of The Satanic Bible do their job just fine.

I'd much rather saving up the cash and hunt down an authentic hardcover copy. I know that they're out there.
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#132931 - 11/18/05 10:05 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mason_Rust]
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www.abesbooks.com if that is the url, has a hard cover, I think.

It did when I was there last.

That's Abes Books. URL unknown.
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#132932 - 11/18/05 10:07 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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The problem with companies like this is just as stated ... they are looking to make a buck off of Satanists, which is fine but I tend to have a problem when the company does not go through the proper channels in which to do it. I have never been contacted by this company, they have never given anything to the CoS to show some type of respect for having the ability to sell this type of product, basically they have done nothing but use the CoS symbols and Dr. LaVey's name in order to make money. They are not giving "the Devil his due" as it were. In my personal opinion, I would rather spend my time searching for an original hard cover version of these books as that is much more gratifying, since you worked for it to own one! A hard cover version of the small softcover Satanic Bible would be nice if you were looking at a display piece but I really prefer the cover of the Softcover over the covers that this company makes, the books just look like "occult" books now, or something you would find in a wiccan library.

Over all, unless the company does something to show some kind of support or at least appreciation to the Church of Satan and Dr. LaVey for having the ability to re-bind these books and make a buck off them, I would not waste my money. I really only want to spend my money on companies or people who have shown their respect to the Organization and the man who made all this possible. I mean, I am not so picky that I would limit my purchases to just members of the Organization but I must have some information that shows me that the company has done its research and worked out a deal with the Church of Satan in order to have their item approved and accepted. I have seen nothing from this company in regards to that. There are proper ways to do things and there are improper ways and sadly, I have not seen anything proper from these people.

My personal opinion would be to save your money and find an original Hard Cover ... but thats just my opinion.
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#132933 - 11/18/05 12:28 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Magister Frost]
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I have to agree with this for the same reason that I when I go to a concert, I buy T-shirts inside the venue, not the cheap knockoffs sold by street vendors outside. When I buy my shirts by the licensed merchants, I know that at least some of the proceeds are going to the band that I love, not people that don't give a damn about the music and are just trying to make a cheap sale. I would be interested in the leather-bound edition as sold through the CoS Emporium however. I've seen it there before, I think.

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#132934 - 11/18/05 01:55 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: crackergirl]
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That was the Leather Bound Edition of Might is Right. There may be something similar to this soon, I will keep working my magic.
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#132935 - 11/18/05 04:10 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: man_mind]
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www.abesbooks.com if that is the url, has a hard cover, I think.

It did when I was there last.

That's Abes Books. URL unknown.




Try typing in Anton Lavey's name and looking at Highest Price first. There are a few Hardback copies of The Satanic Bible going if you have between $700 to $1100 to spare!
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#132936 - 11/19/05 12:21 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Magister Frost]
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Yes! Hail Magister Ventrue! I'll buy one if you sell them! Also, I have some great info to proffer from researching this company's skin harvesting methods, should this become a Satanic issue.

I look forward to your magic, Magister!

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#132937 - 11/19/05 01:21 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Citizen_HHG]
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Inverted crosses and pentagrams , it would make it more handsome and genuine to have the CoS Sigil to it.




Yea I agree, those are a little cheesy to say the least. I wonder if we could ask him to place the CoS sigil on there, their is a block called "user submitted".
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#132938 - 11/19/05 12:46 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: man_mind]
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www.abesbooks.com if that is the url, has a hard cover, I think.

It did when I was there last.

That's Abes Books. URL unknown.




Yowzer, they want $700 for a hardcover edition. They need to run a few more prints of hardcover, $700 is too rich for my blood.
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#132939 - 11/19/05 07:28 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Darrell]
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Inverted crosses and pentagrams , it would make it more handsome and genuine to have the CoS Sigil to it.




Yea I agree, those are a little cheesy to say the least. I wonder if we could ask him to place the CoS sigil on there, their is a block called "user submitted".




Why would you say that a pentagram is cheesy?
I do agree, that it would look much better with the CoS Baphomet on it (which contains a pentagram too), but I see nothing wrong with a inverted pentagram.
If you're speaking about the Wiccan pentacle, then that's a different story - I wouldn't want to have that on the cover of my books either, just on principle.

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#132940 - 11/19/05 07:30 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Enchantress]
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I was not referring to the inverted pentagram as cheesy, just how their version looks on the leather cover.

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#132941 - 11/20/05 06:26 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Darrell]
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They actually sold one on E-Bay absolutely ages ago featuring an actual Baphomet glued onto the front of the book surrounded by a plain raised circle. Looked kind of cool, but the starting price was $100 minimum. I think it went for something stupid like $180...

Some people have more money than sense, methinks...
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#132942 - 11/24/05 11:10 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Titania]
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I think it would certainly be interesting to see a 12 karrot gold cover...Sure it would be very pricey but, very interesting to see. Imagine if CoS manufactured it with the sigil of CoS engraved in the gold. Also, maybe adding in the other books all into one golden book.
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#132943 - 11/24/05 11:38 AM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: JackofBlades]
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I think it would certainly be interesting to see a 12 karrot gold cover...Sure it would be very pricey but, very interesting to see. Imagine if CoS manufactured it with the sigil of CoS engraved in the gold. Also, maybe adding in the other books all into one golden book.




"Gold has always been associated with white-light religions and the heavenly realm."

This quote from The Satanic Bible would really make it rather silly to cover the book in gold.

Silver would be a more appropriate choice.
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#132944 - 11/24/05 01:42 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Silver would be a more appropriate choice.




I concur.
Besides, I've always preferred silver to gold.
It's just more pleasing to the eye, in my opinion.
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#132945 - 11/24/05 03:17 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Mr. Obsidian]
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Silver would be a more appropriate choice.




I concur.
Besides, I've always preferred silver to gold.
It's just more pleasing to the eye, in my opinion.





I agree completely - I would like to see a book, including all of Dr. LaVey's work, made into one book and with a silver engraved CoS logo.

Or...how about one similar to the German edition that is currently featured on the Emporium, only with a brushed steel cover? It's a very handsome volume! Too bad that it's only available in German currently.
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#132946 - 11/24/05 03:31 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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How about getting a handsome leather bound journal and writing out TSB in longhand? Could be an interesting ritual exercise, if somewhat time consuming. But it may be worthwhile.
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#132947 - 11/24/05 03:40 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Enchantress]
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Or...how about one similar to the German edition that is currently featured on the Emporium, only with a brushed steel cover?




That's a fantastic idea!
Brushed steel would look incredible, yet keep the cost minimal in comparison with actual silver.

I like your style, Enchantress!


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#132948 - 11/24/05 09:01 PM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Mordicon]
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All fine and well really, but I think its a waste.

I kind of like the fabled Cultofone's method. While actively seeking out an original hardcover Satanic Bible, he bought a hardcover book that was completely blank and transcibed the Satanic Bible into it.

Aside from giving you that hardcover you wanted (along with whatever designs you want on the cover and the prop for Ritual if you prefer it) it gives you a further intimacy that comes with writing.

Though I haven't done myself, I just know the intimacy of which writing something brings. The closeness of one's written word.

But whatever floats your boat.
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#132949 - 11/25/05 12:13 AM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Mr. Obsidian]
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That's a fantastic idea!
Brushed steel would look incredible, yet keep the cost minimal in comparison with actual silver.

I like your style, Enchantress!




Why, thank you Virile_Heretic!

Brushed steel, in addition to being aesthetically pleasing, would also stimulate the sense of touch - feeling cold, (not sure if it could be heated much though, to feel warmth...wouldn't want to damage the pages inside).

It would also provide a look of pure strength and power, and a heavier weight when held.
Also, any candle wax that might get on it could be easily removed.

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#132950 - 11/25/05 12:16 AM Re: leather bound satanic bibles [Re: Shoeman]
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I kind of like the fabled Cultofone's method. While actively seeking out an original hardcover Satanic Bible, he bought a hardcover book that was completely blank and transcibed the Satanic Bible into it.




I've seen his site too...interesting.
From what I remember, he said he spent months artificially aging the pages.
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#132951 - 11/25/05 12:38 AM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Mr. Obsidian]
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Have you ever seen the skin of a man with a dying liver? It is gold. Have you ever associated that sick and dying man, with the RHP religion? Well, you get the idea.

I also prefer silver over gold. Gold to me looks sickly, and is in bad taste when matched to human flesh.
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#132952 - 11/25/05 12:41 AM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Enchantress]
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I've always been keen on the book design used in The Never Ending Story.

Of course those snakes would obviously be replaced, but the design in general must stay.
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#132953 - 11/25/05 01:24 AM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: man_mind]
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I've always been keen on the book design used in The Never Ending Story.

Of course those snakes would obviously be replaced, but the design in general must stay.




I remember that design!

But I would consider the snakes, as I enjoy reptiles.
By the way - I did see a cover from a version of the Satanic Bible printed in a foreign country, and it included green snakes! The cover was green and red.
Now that I think of it, it may have been on that CultofOne site too...

I'll refrain from posting a link to his site as I haven't read through it, and don't know if any of his site is contrary to anything here.
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#132954 - 11/25/05 10:24 AM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Enchantress]
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Yes, I seem to recall that, if you do a google.com search for Chaos Jewelry, (Pendant) you will discover a guy who makes those Never Ending Story pendants. He has a lot of great looking stuff on his site.
It is all very pricey, but all very hand made too.

I know which SB you're talking about too! He has an interesting site.

As someone else in this thread suggested, Seth wrote out a SB in a blank leather bound book. (Or someone did) He has a picture of it there.
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#132955 - 11/25/05 10:48 AM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: man_mind]
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>>Have you ever seen the skin of a man with a dying liver? It is gold. Have you ever associated that sick and dying man, with the RHP religion?<<

That is a very silly comparison.
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#132956 - 11/25/05 01:11 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Indeed.
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#132957 - 11/25/05 05:34 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: man_mind]
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Actually, the snakes on the cover of The Neverending Story book, is really a representation of a Kundalini coil.
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#132958 - 11/25/05 06:32 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Enchantress]
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Interesting, I did not know that. I knew of only one representation for the symbol of Kundalini.

Thank you for that insight.
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#132959 - 11/25/05 07:03 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: man_mind]
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You are most welcome!
Just out of curiosity, the other symbol you're thinking of would be the Caduseus, right?
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#132960 - 11/25/05 07:34 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Enchantress]
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Not really sure.

Here is the guys site, and the image I was referring too, as I remember it from the movie.

http://www.markdefrates.com/pages/aurynau.html
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#132961 - 11/25/05 09:09 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: man_mind]
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Not really sure.

Here is the guys site, and the image I was referring too, as I remember it from the movie.

http://www.markdefrates.com/pages/aurynau.html




Ok, I just looked at your link, and I find that I'm wrong about that particular symbol. You are absolutely correct, it's not the coiled Kundalini, but the Auryn.
I got the two symbols confused - sorry about that!

The coiled Kundalini symbol is similar, in my opinion. Here's a link to the true coiled Kundalini!

Coiled Kundalini picture

Also, here is a link to the image of the Caduceus that I mentioned earlier.

Caduceus

Speaking of symbols, might I ask what the symbols around the pentagram in your avatar mean?

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#132962 - 11/25/05 10:19 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Enchantress]
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Sure.

The largest character with the most lines, (On the left) Means Sama. Sama means, in this particular context, Lord. The following characters, going clock wise from Sama are, bE, Li, a, l.

Apart, you understand (and I just learned this) the characters mean nothing. They are just letters. Together though, they still don't "say" Belial. They only sound out each character as if you were trying to get across to a two year old the proper pronounciation of the name, Be-Li-A-L.

That's it.


Oh yeah. I forgot.

The Kundalini image is also, still, new to me. I've never seen it in a celtic knot form. The traditional (for me?) form I've seen it in is coiled around the spine of a human. (In context, strictly)

The second one. I only know the biblical referrence name for that. It being the Bronze Serpent, supposedly created by moses.

If I'm wrong, it doesn't matter to me, that is just how I learned that particular myth.

I also know it as a symbol for medicine, or medical practice.

Thanks for sharing the Kundalini photo though, that is interesting.


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#132963 - 11/25/05 11:08 PM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: man_mind]
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Apart, you understand (and I just learned this) the characters mean nothing. They are just letters. Together though, they still don't "say" Belial.




I see! It's a very intrigueing sigil. I've never seen this language before (at least not that I remember). Is it a written form of Hebrew?

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The traditional (for me?) form I've seen it in is coiled around the spine of a human. (In context, strictly)




That's the traditional form that I've seen pictures of too.

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Thanks for sharing the Kundalini photo though, that is interesting.




You're very welcome, and thank you for sharing the meaning behind your sigil!

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#132964 - 11/26/05 12:35 AM Re: Gold Satanic Bible? [Re: Enchantress]
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Oh yeah, I did forget to mention that, it is Japanese.

Forgetfulness. Long day, and all of that=)

Your very welcome.
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