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#134324 - 12/01/05 12:50 PM Re: Infinity [Re: Nemo]
Bill_M Offline
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>>It is imagining a beginning and ending that is the hard one. [...]
>>Here we stand at the beginning of time and I ask, "What
>>happened before that?"

Personally, I like Stephen Hawking's analogy: "It's like asking what's happening 50 kilometers north of the North Pole".
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#134325 - 12/01/05 01:57 PM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: Annos_Satanas]
crackergirl Offline


Registered: 11/15/05
Posts: 323
Loc: Kansas
Where has everything come from? There are several theories on this subject. Education is the only way you can "beat" someone like this at his own game. If it's really important for you to prove this guy wrong, then do some research. It might be more work than you think is worth doing, and you might find that even after you've proven him dead wrong, he'll still think he's right. Not because he has any evidence to back up his claims, but because he "feels" it. He "knows" God is there. He can "feel" the holy spirit inside of him. There's no evidence to back that up either, but he'll insist that it's there anyway. It's damn pointless in my opinion. Just try to disprove his feelings and you'll discover something that's truly futile. Personally, I wouldn't bother. If you need something from him though, just remind him of his tendency for "Good ol' Fashioned Christian Kindness." Don't feel bad about manipulating him in this way. When it comes to this kind of human interaction, there are no unwilling victims. If you really think that "converting" anyone is worth it, then start with some Earth Science books, and maybe some Astronomy. These particular sciences can give you a good foundation for your cause (however ridiculously pointless it may be).

Is killing the same as murder? Of course it is. It doesn't matter what your motivation may be for killing anyone. If you look murder up in the Thesaurus, I'm sure killing wouldn't be too far behind in the list of suitable synonyms. Please remember that the guys on the other side (in regard to the Crusades) were also fighting in the name of their own God. They were killing the Christians because they thought God wanted them to do it just as well as the Christians did. History was written by the winners. Ponder that point. Murder can be deemed acceptable in different cases by different people due to the circumstances. Though these cases can be deemed justifiable by a justice, they're still murder cases, and are brought forth and tried as such in the court system. It is, ultimately the same thing no matter how you slice it. Your motivations for doing something like this should be examined meticulously. You don't just go around killing people for no reason, do you? The Christians thought they had a good reason for killing so many people. You might think you have reasons to kill at times in your life. That doesn't mean you'd be right to do it, and it certainly doesn't mean a court of law will grant you amnesty based on your motivations for this crime. If you have a good lawyer in a murder case, and the jury and judge both know you did it, you can still be exonerated based on motivation for the crime. Whether the crime is deemed justifiable or not, you'd still be a murderer, and you would be one for the rest of your life. No matter how much you protested and cried that the crime was justifiable, you still did it. The Christians have used the bible to justify their murderous ways, and, I think, in the right court room on the right day, they would also be exonerated. I, however, as an aspiring prosecuting attorney, would definitely look into trying the perpetrators as fiercly (but also as fairly) as possible.

Is there proof that civilizations didn't start in one place? Again, look to the science section of your local library for these things. I would suggest that you do this to quell your own curiosity, however, and not to beat your cousin. Like I said before, he probably won't end up on your side no matter what you say to him. Even if a comet fell from the sky, and every projectory piece landed on top of a church, thereby destroying every church, the poor boy wouldn't think that a higher power than his God wanted to abolish slave religions. He would think that God was mad at him. This would make his faith in the asinine prophecies contained in his bible all the stronger. I personally think that your motivations for solving these conundrums are going to leave you even more frustrated. You should ask these questions because you want to know. Pissing off your cousin should at the very most be only a pleasant side effect of your studies.

I've run into a few people like this in my life, and one of them is my brother-in-law. I hate the way he brainwashes my nephews with his Christian non-points, but they are his children, and my hands are tied in the situation. (If they come to me later on in life and ask for my version of the "truth," however, I won't hesitate to tell them) Instead of arguing back and forth about religion, he and I talk about things we have in common instead. Aside from his religion, he's a pretty cool guy, and I'd hate to have judged him based solely on his choice of religion (even though I really think it was a stupid choice) without ever getting to know the real him. We like the same music, we're both into creating tattoo art, and as long as the both of us are happy with our lives, there's no reason for us to try to convert one another. If you meet someone you know you'll get into an argument about this topic with should you bring it up, then DON'T BRING IT UP. I don't go around advertising myself as a Satanist (except for here ) because most of the time stating my choice of religion will just piss people off. What good is any belief structure if it does nothing but piss off all your friends? If someone asks me (I ALWAYS invite the Jehovah's Witnesses into my house. It's fun to watch them stand there with their jaws dropped when they hear what I have to say. In this case, stating straight out what my religion is is okay because THEY ASKED FOR IT), I tell them. If they ask me to explain, I explain. There's no reason to go out on the town begging for someone to burn you at the stake. My advice would be that you just find something else to talk about (like I did with my brother-in-law), or just leave the guy alone. He's a Christian, after all, he's confused enough already without your help! I hope the two of you can iron out your differences, or at least find a way to ignore them so they don't mess up your friendship.

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#134326 - 12/01/05 06:02 PM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: Annos_Satanas]
Old_Pig Offline


Registered: 11/27/02
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He said there's a difference between killing and murder. I don't think so. Am I right? They both end in death.

This slightly off-topic to the main theme of the thread, but wanted to say something about it.

Murder and killing is not the same, even if both end on death. It all depends on context.

If someone attacks me and I clearly see my life is in danger, I wouldn’t hesitate in ending his. That would be definitely killing... but not exactly murder.

Many things end in death, but you can’t compare the death or an innocent man who was stabbed by a burglar with the death of a terrorist who was shot by the police before he had time to detonate his bomb.
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#134327 - 12/01/05 07:16 PM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: Old_Pig]
crackergirl Offline


Registered: 11/15/05
Posts: 323
Loc: Kansas
In the context of legal jargon, the degrees of murder vary based on motivation for the crime committed, and whether or not the crime was planned. Would it be correct for me to assume that you equate the word "killing" with the word "manslaughter?" If so, then I can see how you could equate the two.
Just as a side note, the state of Texas has a pretty interesting law on its books about crimes of passion. The passion law states that if you fly into a rage and kill someone, then you may be ruled as temporarily insane, and, therefore, not responsible for the crime. I just thought it was an interesting law. It's interesting to think that if I ever fly into a fit of rage in the state of Texas, I could be considered insane. Wow.

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#134328 - 03/04/06 02:14 PM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: Annos_Satanas]
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Registered: 03/03/06
Posts: 21
Loc: NC
The best advice I could give you
Read the holy bible. If you constantly find your self in religious debates with christians, it is good to know your enemy.

The christian believes in the "judgement" written of in the revelation of jhon, so no matter what you do through out your life, you could repent at the last moment.

wouldent it be within satans character to repent,so nobody goes to hell. that would certanily throw a stick in the spokes of gods unicycle.

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#134329 - 03/05/06 02:12 PM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: Exanimus]
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Registered: 11/02/05
Posts: 4214
Exanimus wrote. <<< wouldent it be within satans character to repent,so nobody goes to hell. that would certanily throw a stick in the spokes of gods unicycle.>>>

Great Point.
In The Satanic Bible, Doktor LaVey speaks of a tribe of Devil worshipers that do the very thing you are speaking. Page 43 The Satanic Bible.

The only thing is though. I have nothing to repent.
Who would I repent them to, myself.
Why?
I love all of my so called "sins."
Hail Satan!
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Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#134330 - 03/05/06 08:23 PM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: Lust]
Barb Offline

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Registered: 04/09/05
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The only thing is though. I have nothing to repent.
Who would I repent them to, myself.
Why?
I love all of my so called "sins."
Hail Satan!



I don’t repent anything either.

I have no regrets. Everything that I have done or that has happened to me has led me to be who and where I am today. And I LOVE who and where I am today in my life!
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#134331 - 03/06/06 07:05 AM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: Annos_Satanas]
ElJago Offline


Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 427
Loc: Northumberland, England
Maybe as you get older (you don't seem to be very old) you will come to the realisation that most people (not all) are trying to sell you something. Whether it be a product, an ideaology, a belief, or a prejudice.

Also you may come to realise that practitioners/believers of most of the worlds major religions can find a way to excuse almost anything. Such as the vatican excusing/covering up the behaviour of child molesting priests, islam fundamentalists excusing the behaviour of people blowing themselves up in crowded shopping centres, or jewish governments excusing the use of tank shells against children throwing stones.

The level of hypocrisy and self delusion of religions such as christianity is there for all to see. Maybe one day you'll learn to treat anything anyone pontificating at you says with a large pinch of salt.
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#134332 - 03/07/06 01:47 PM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: MagisterRose]
Euphoria Offline


Registered: 06/21/04
Posts: 342
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As for the Crusades, God told the Pope that it was OK to kill Muslims.




Hasn't he just had the same conversation with George Bush?

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#134333 - 03/07/06 02:20 PM Re: God talking to political leaders. [Re: Euphoria]
Nemo Offline
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Nothing like the one He is having with the heads of Iran!

Compared to them George Bush is an athiest!

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#134334 - 03/07/06 02:31 PM Re: A few annoying answers... [Re: Barb]
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Registered: 09/16/03
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I don’t repent anything either.

I have no regrets. Everything that I have done or that has happened to me has led me to be who and where I am today. And I LOVE who and where I am today in my life!




What if we're all just mutant hominids whose organic self-preserving brains are nothing more than evolution's greatest illusion creating tool! From whence come distractive notions like purpose and meaning designed to keep you from going completely insane!
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#134335 - 03/07/06 02:42 PM Re: God talking to political leaders. [Re: Nemo]
Euphoria Offline


Registered: 06/21/04
Posts: 342
Loc: 1/4 mile and 9 seconds away!
He moves in mysterious ways!!!

(The head of Iran, not god.)

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#134336 - 03/07/06 02:52 PM Re: A Third Side view... [Re: Nemo]
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 474
Loc: Germany
Laughing out loud rotating of the floor with tears in my eyes

'Breathe, I just need to breathe...' - Me



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For everyone who probably didn't get it:
Yes, I think this is funny.

Ah, and my opinion:
He will experience the force of natural selection, no need to beat the shit out of him.

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#134337 - 03/21/06 08:46 PM Re: A few annoying questions... [Re: Barb]
Buffy Offline


Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 68
Loc: Mackay- Australia
I agree with Demi on this one. <<I think your better arguing over who's going to win what concerning sport. Hell put bets on it.
From personal experience my aunty (who is a devout christian who smokes weed and preaches gods will) used to argue about this sort of thing. The thing is it doen't get anywhere. And well if if's a dear family member or friend who is close to you, agree to disagree. The thing that matters is how much you actally care about these people, and for them find their own paths through their own mistakes and experiences. At the end of the day if they are smart enough they will come to understand that people that actually care about them is what matters.
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