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#140258 - 01/13/06 06:59 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: blasphemy]
Focalor Offline


Registered: 12/11/04
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I think most people who are enamored by weapons have some sort of inferiority complex. They feel they are not strong enough or smart enough to win a fight with their bare hands. But give them a gun and all of the sudden they feel like God. They were picked on as youngsters and have an inner yearning to lash back at all who would make them feel as inferior as some may have in those early years. Some may even feel the need to punish the world for the pain they received. Some may actually use these weapons and act upon these impulses, others stand in front of the bathroom mirror and fantasize about slaying several hundred people but never go out and actually harm anyone.

Then again, weapons universally represent power. Everyone desires power. People who have power want more power. In the revolutionary war people got annoyed with ramrods and balls, so now we have belt-fed 50 caliber machine guns that will saw Volvo's in half. Wow, that's what I need! Then NO ONE WILL FUCK WITH ME!

I work in some of the worst sections of downtown Atlanta sometimes. I don't carry a gun because I see no need. If someone is going to shoot me, they'll do so before I can shoot them. Chances are they would want to carjack me. I know enough about self-defense to be able to disarm someone at close range. I carry a long bladed knife if someone reaches in the window, and a baseball ball in case there happens to be more than one attacker which I must take down quickly. I don't show off my bat or my knife because they are purely functional and I hope I never have to use them.

I believe that ALL people are capable of killing if you place their lives in jeopardy, it's just an instinct. Perhaps you're just not stating yourself properly. What I think you're meaning to say is that you wonder what specifically creates personalities that can kill other people unprovoked without remorse.

Or perhaps I'm wrong. If I am, all the advice I can give you is: Stay the hell out of my yard or you'll be having a bad day.
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#140259 - 01/13/06 08:18 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: Focalor]
Hagen von Tronje Offline

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I think most people who are enamored by weapons have some sort of inferiority complex.

If someone is going to shoot me, they'll do so before I can shoot them.

I would contend that believing you're powerless to stop those who would harm you indicates a much greater inferiority complex.

I believe that ALL people are capable of killing if you place their lives in jeopardy

Then why is it that there are consistent examples of people whose life is placed in jeopardy who refuse to take action to preserve themselves? Some people are so cowardly that they won't even run when they're threatened, but freeze like a deer in headlights when confronted with a dangerous situation.

I work in some of the worst sections of downtown Atlanta sometimes. I don't carry a gun because I see no need. If someone is going to shoot me, they'll do so before I can shoot them. Chances are they would want to carjack me. I know enough about self-defense to be able to disarm someone at close range. I carry a long bladed knife if someone reaches in the window, and a baseball ball in case there happens to be more than one attacker which I must take down quickly. I don't show off my bat or my knife because they are purely functional and I hope I never have to use them.

Not only do you contradict yourself here (a gun is useless because they'll shoot you first, but you're confident that you will in fact bludgeon them to death with a baseball bat before they shoot you?), but you reveal that you in fact don't know shit about self-defense. You really think you'll use your fancy tricks to disarm someone before they have a chance to attack you? If a weapon is close enough for you to touch, its close enough to touch you, and therefore injure you. A gun is useless because they'll just shoot you first, but a bat is useful for taking down multiple people quickly? Why do I have this suspicion that for one reason or another, you can't legally own a firearm and you seek to justify it by saying they're useless?

They feel they are not strong enough or smart enough to win a fight with their bare hands.

I carry a long bladed knife

So are you not strong enough or smart enough to win a fight with your bare hands?

You approach defense from the most juvenile standpoint possible. You think with the mentality of a schoolyard brawler, which probably worked fine for you on the schoolyard, but as a big boy, its both childish and dangerous. The only objective in self-defense in the mind of a mature person is to survive, by any means necessary. Whether its turning tail and running like mad, or using every weapon you can lay hands on, survival is the only goal. Are you going to feel inadequate because you had to resort to using a gun? I say, still better to be alive and "inadequate" than be a billy badass barefisted fighter, and dead.

Its ironic that you have such "insight" into the mentality of someone who enjoys collecting weapons, but neatly avoided examining what your own attitudes indicate.
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#140260 - 01/13/06 08:40 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
Svengali Offline
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Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 12460
Loc: Florida, U.S.A.
Leviathan, you are very generous with these idiots.

There was a day when I would take the time to offer tested and proven input on these matters. Now I only share with deserving people I personally know, and who ask. Everyone else can go die in the gutter. Especially stupid assholes.

Why inhibit natural selection?
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#140261 - 01/13/06 08:45 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: MagisterRose]
Svengali Offline
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Either you just expressed yourself badly or you are a first rate asshole who is welcome to make use of the exit as soon as possible.




I would say #2.
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"I may have my faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." -- Jimmy Hoffa
"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
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#140262 - 01/13/06 09:28 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: Focalor]
RandomStranger Offline
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Registered: 03/09/05
Posts: 2770
Loc: Here.
"I think most people who are enamored by weapons have some sort of inferiority complex."

And personally sir, I think you are a half-wit scat muncher.

Your post sounds like you are projecting a a veil of solipsism
over what you see so that it fits nicely into your tiny world
view.

"I work in some of the worst sections of downtown Atlanta"

Oh, yeah... I guess you ARE relating only what you think you
know and not what is reality.

You seem to be confusing your opinions, which have no basis
in reality (other than what YOU choose to think is reality), with
the facts.
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#140263 - 01/14/06 09:44 AM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: blasphemy]
chandler Offline


Registered: 07/09/05
Posts: 41
Loc: TX, US
I think, if you want to know where I draw the line, it would be good to read up on the irresponsible church burnings and random murders of the Black Metal circle in Northern Europe. "Lords of Chaos" is a great title, and it will give the reader an impression of where an obsession with murder crosses the line from good, wholesome, open-minded fun, and a proclivity for self-preservation, into the area of self-destructive, irresponsible mischief without a lot of gain.
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#140264 - 01/14/06 10:37 AM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: chandler]
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Registered: 12/10/04
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Loc: Flanders - Europe
The book holds the story of a bunch of drunk, addicted to drugs facepainted speudo warriors that burned churches in name of Satan. When it came out, i was impressed by the heavy story, now i think it did and does more harm to Satanism in the very end.
It is the living proof how dangerous stupidity can really be. That's why i don't aggree with the starting topic here, it holds too much nonsens and stupidity.
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#140265 - 01/14/06 10:42 AM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: x9x]
chandler Offline


Registered: 07/09/05
Posts: 41
Loc: TX, US
True, I think. These guys were posers, and that much should be obvious to any Satanist with any knowledge of the subject whatsoever. It may hurt the public image of Satanism among schizophrenics and the Christian community, but I also believe in any factual exchange of ideas, whether it is between two individuals, or two cultural demographics, that as many sides as possible should be heard in order to strengthen the victory of the truth. I am not recommending it as a resource for learning Satanic philosophy (the Satanic Bible is far better), I am recommending at as a resource for learning how not to apply violent urges.
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#140266 - 01/14/06 10:42 AM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: chandler]
x9x Offline
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Registered: 12/10/04
Posts: 958
Loc: Flanders - Europe
With a story like this, any violence against your attacker is justified, coz it's really a matter of life and death.
The key-trick always works,and it's one the first techniques they teach you in a self-defense class.
Go and order Fang & Claw I and II that recently came out, i cannot stress this enough, it all makes sense in a smart and non-paranoia way.
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#140267 - 01/14/06 10:52 AM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: x9x]
chandler Offline


Registered: 07/09/05
Posts: 41
Loc: TX, US
I have been tossing that book title about in my head for over a year now, but have not actually gotten around to ordering it, as I have been busy with other subjects, and it seems my appetite for learning hand-to-hand combat has been satiated a bit with military combat training. But as you have mentioned it to me here, it may speed up my order. It was written by an officer, no?

I am in fact really dissapointed with all the impractical BS that the military teaches soldiers when it comes to hand to hand fighting. They take far too much from sports, like the UFC which has enough rules to make the training too limited for a life or death situation. For example, just because fights wind up on the ground, does not mean it is a smart idea to close your distance to an attacker. How would you know whether or not he had a knife or some such object until he revealed it? Also, they make hard fast rules like "never" turn your back on your attacker. Sometimes it is necessary to build momentum against a larger adversary by twisting the spine or rotating on the balls of the feet. There are exceptions to every rule, and that is why I think a more philosophical, as opposed to instruction booklet style, approach to martial arts can be helpful at times. And I would expect a Satanic guide to fighting would incorporate some beneficial ideas not taught in the International Public Relations style of U.S. Army non-lethal combatives.

And of course it is always better to have a gun than not, when it comes to actual conflict, though it may look questionable on the police report.
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#140268 - 01/14/06 11:44 AM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: Caesar]
Reznor Offline


Registered: 12/11/05
Posts: 19
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I have seen a lot of this kind of sentiment from soldiers in the Army (in this and many other ways). But I can tell you it severely degrades when the fantasy meets reality.




I couldn't agree more!

I joined the Army at 18 years of age and two months after passing out, I found myself in the middle east during Operation Granby/Desert shield. Next thing I knew it had become "Desert storm", I was 19 years old and had killed many people.

To say I was depressed is the understatement of the millenium.

An interest in guns, knives, swords etc is a fairly common thing these days. Thats just fine providing you dont decide to actually use them.

I am more than capable of taking the life of another person. Self preservation, REAL self preservation is one hell of an incentive and can make people capable of practically anything.

Not too sure where I am going with this one so...

Hail Satan!

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#140269 - 01/14/06 12:50 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: Reznor]
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Registered: 07/09/05
Posts: 41
Loc: TX, US
I have not yet had the experience of live combat in the battlefield. The most I could possibly contribute would be hearsay and speculation. But the description of your experience seems very reasonable, and I was not incensed to a bit of self-pity by your statements about the ravages of war. My own leap into this mess was brought about greatly from a sense of idleness and maddening routine that motivated me to expand my experience base. I have submitted 4187's to attend combat theaters, but my chain of command is short 74D's (Chemical Operations Specialists) so they stood in the way of my reassignment. Today I am very, very glad that I have the opportunity to focus on other priorities that have freed me from the debilitating idleness that inspired my idiotic desire to go to war. I am of course as willing as ever to uphold my oath of enlistment, but I no longer wish to push the issue. I agree that fighting for the sake of fighting is not a sensible solution to mere boredom, but mine was perhaps a more vicious sort of boredom. Anyway, I have found other ways to occupy my free time.
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#140270 - 01/14/06 12:53 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: MagisterRose]
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Registered: 12/12/05
Posts: 70
Loc: NY, US
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Maybe they are just too pussy to get off their fat asses and kill someone without remorse.




You say that as if not killing all and sundry without remorse is a bad thing.

Either you just expressed yourself badly or you are a first rate asshole who is welcome to make use of the exit as soon as possible.

The policy of the CoS is that it is a good thing when mad dogs are destroyed. That goes double for "mad dog killers".




I did put that in the wrong way and would like to rephrase that. I meant that many believe it to be a macho act to comit violence and to be reluctant would prove one as emasculated. I do believe that everyone should have remorse after any action they comit to harm another, especially to the point of killing. I was making more of a comment on that culture of people who vicariously experience violence while expecting everyone else to feel as guiltless as they do during it.

I personally love vicariousness, not because I have an unfulfilling life but because I am not willing to go to jail for the experiment of my feelings after comitting a crime as disturbing as cold hearted murder. I believe in boundry pushing and exploring the human mind after something as extreme as killing but not because I think it's fun or funny. Its an appriciation of the level of inhumanity one must achieve to perform a violent act.

I understand that the CoS does not condone serial killers. I am proud that they make that very clear. I was just wondering how odd I was that I took an interest in these pathogical entities. To reiterate, my calling of these people as "pussies" was not from my voice but more a mockery of how some who expect others to comit violent acts talk about those who just experience it vicariously. I understand that what I said was not well thought out, nor did it convey the message I wanted to express.
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#140271 - 01/14/06 01:12 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: Reznor]
dragondancer Offline

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Registered: 12/22/04
Posts: 1546
Loc: Virginia
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I am more than capable of taking the life of another person. Self preservation, REAL self preservation is one hell of an incentive and can make people capable of practically anything.

Not too sure where I am going with this one so...

Hail Satan!




I, for one, am glad you posted this. It is good to have someone chime in that has been in the situation you have described. "REAL self preservation", not just theoretical bullshit and what would you be capable of doing, blah, blah, blah. Anyone who has been on the front lines of war, and there seem to be a few on this board, can speak volumes about "REAL self preservation", and what that actually does to a person's psyche.

Myself, I admit I have never been in a situation where I had to actually fight for my life. (Physically, violently) This is no accident. I try very hard not to put myself into those situations in the first place. I do agree, though, that it is wise to be prepared for anything, and everyone should know at least some basics of self defense.


Hail Satan!
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#140272 - 01/14/06 02:17 PM Re: Why do I like guns? [Re: Svengali]
Barb Offline

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Registered: 04/09/05
Posts: 587
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Maybe they are just too pussy to get off their fat asses and kill someone without remorse.




Quote:

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Either you just expressed yourself badly or you are a first rate asshole who is welcome to make use of the exit as soon as possible.




I would say #2.



I agree here, that it is definitely #2.

I am not a pussy for not killing people. Im just not some psychotic asshole like all the wastrels out there who have neither real goals nor accomplishments in life who DO choose to do such things. I have better things to do with my time.

Now, blasphemy, go pour gasoline on yourself and go for a ride in the dryer.
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