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#140588 - 01/14/06 07:56 PM Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they?
InfesT Offline


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okay i was just browsing google videos earlier today, and i found this peice of crap.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7264206937159538355&q=anton+lavey

i dont know if this has been posted before, but this revolting peice of ignorant shit is what is wrong with society... why to people scapegoat things? I mean the propaganda in it is so obvious, like the second they say satanism they show people being beaten, cruel acts... it just pisses me off, satanists do not believe in cruel acts of any kind. but they blame every disaster in that video on satanists. it also says we hate all other religeons. I have many friends that are christians, jewish, islamic, ect. i couldnt care less, its ther choice, so be it. I know there are some versions of old time satanist mabye some present people that actually want to be the counter part of "god" but that is not what anton lavey wanted at all. then when they actually start explaing what satanism REALLY is, they throw in some lies... such as "satanist think of themsellves as animals, the think assault bloodshed and rape is right..." what the fuck? Doesnt i specificly say in the satanic bible rape is looked down upon, and killing is not right unless needed? Bah, but it is halarious when they say "people who blindly follow darwins theory and call themselves scientists.." HAHAHAH wow... some people dont relise sometihng even when theres SO much proof. Also, look at the quotes, the quotes that arnt bad or say anything wrong are from peoples of the Church of Satan... when u see the bad quote saying were justs like facists, its by the authors of lords of chaos... wow (btw im typing as im watching it) when they say satantic bands like "cradle of filth" and show a picture of marlyn manson... u cant help but laugh. *sigh* well just wanted to see your opinions...


ps. im not a master on a computer, so please ignore my spelling and grammar errors, thanks.


Edited by InfesT (01/14/06 08:04 PM)

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#140589 - 01/14/06 08:17 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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I couldn't help but laugh when they showed Merlin Manson, and
the following headbangers. Gebels would have been proud.

My opinion on this matter is this: The people that listen to
such things are idiots to begin with. The people that make
these kind of things are in it for control.

Unless they actually threat you, laugh at them. play them.
do as you will.

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these years!" - TSB

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#140590 - 01/14/06 09:19 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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This video is full of irrelevant symbology typical of christian stupidity. I think it was a wrong move on their behalf to actually name the website of The Church of Satan in the video. They can't back any of the video up if someone actually reads the material on the site.

It makes me wonder; Did the misguided "satanists" that worship the devil and act like the idiots in the video come BEFORE or AFTER the church portrayed Satanism to be this way? I believe they are making their own battle with any individual with a modicum of angst and rebellion. As soon as the (most probably) teenager sees a video like this, they will take that angst and rebellion and turn it into specifically what is shown on the video. The church is the one turning people into these devil worshipping fools, not the deity Satan.

Points on the video; What has the KKK, Swaztika and Freemasons have to do with Satanism? 19.30 minutes into the video, they completely contradict most of what has been said throughout the minutes leading up to it. Since when has rape been considered "right" by animals? I never knew Marilyn Manson was the lead singer of Cradle of Filth...

It's quite funny how they play doom music every time Charles Darwin is mentioned.

Just remember everyone; Satanists should realise that Satan is a deciever. When you are raised from the dead on the last day, Satan will reject his foolish followers and abandon them.
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#140591 - 01/14/06 10:47 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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"then when they actually start explaing what satanism REALLY is, they throw in some lies... "

Im suprised you expected an informed opinion from random people.

I certainly wouldnt.
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#140592 - 01/15/06 12:06 AM And this surprises you how? [Re: InfesT]
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I know you are interested in Satanism and seing things that
are anti-Satanism probably "gets your goat" a little.

The video link you posted is from an Islamic web site.

That should tell you plenty.

Take a deep breath; count to ten; have a good laugh at their
ignorance and relax a little.
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#140593 - 01/15/06 03:05 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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I haven't watched the video. I wouldn't bother because I've seen it all before.

But regarding your statement:

>>i couldnt care less, its ther choice, so be it. I know there are some versions of old time satanist mabye some present people that actually want to be the counter part of "god" but that is not what anton lavey wanted at all.<<

You are quite wrong on this. I've quoted this before in response to such assertions and I will use it again here:

"There can be no room for this ecumenical attitude of, 'well, if God works for them and makes them happy, it won't hurt me to let them go on believing it.' But it does hurt you. When there are that many people in positions of authority thinking muddled thoughts it's going to effect you. To completely over-throw mystically orientated religions, Satanists choose active opposition. We don't need to show any tolerance or good fellowship to these sheep now that we're calling the shots."

Anton Szandor LaVey - quoted from The Church of Satan by Blanche Barton.

Reading this book would benefit anyone who wants to know what The Church of Satan is about.
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#140594 - 01/15/06 02:19 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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I just wanted to point out to people that this particular video was produced by Muslims, not Christians.

Thanks for that quotation, UVray.

How to respond to the stupidities, superstitions, and the misinformation of other religions is a tricky matter, particularly when those religions are being stupid about Satanism. As I see it, the best overall approach is neither one of staunch "debunking" like the Wiccans engage in (because that's whiny and co-dependent), nor is it one of Unitarian-style acceptance and tolerance (because that opens one up to being destroyed or trampled on), nor is it one of devoted, eternal, warlike opposition, like one sees with the jihadist Muslims (because that's self-righteous, often pretentious, and co-dependent).

There's a reason why the CoS and Satanists in general don't write an angry letter every time a Muslim or Christian figure or organization badmouths Satanism, and don't try to get a spot on every point-counterpoint Christian-themed show.

But, there's also a reason why Satanists should not say "eh, live and let live" with regards to those who absolutely don't want to grant Satanists the same privilege.
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#140595 - 01/15/06 02:39 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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Ooh, I'm glad I'm not the only one who stumbled across said video. However, I can't say I took offense to this video... I actually found it quite funny, and a few weeks after discovering the video, I invited a friend of mine over and entertained her with it. It proves to be a piece of comedy to someone who understands at least the basic principles of Satanism.

Don't let it get to you. The only reason why it should offend you is either:
a) You are waiting to adopt a persecution complex.
b) Silly music, sub-par computer animation, and a general ignorance for aesthetics really, really works itself under your skin.

As my friend and I watched this video, she started laughing incredibly hard. She is an ex-Wiccan (still follows the beliefs of Wicca, but hates Wiccans), and she was able to show me which things were obviously Wiccan and not Satanic, though I was able to recognize this on my own. One rather funny thing, however, is that she recognized a clip from an older movie... It's that clip where the people are lighting paper on fire in a bottle, then smashing it. I forgot the title of the movie, but their selection in footage is comedic.

So, watch this video with a light heart. As Satanists, we know what assumptions many followers of the right-hand path are bound to make about us. What good would it do us to sit around and bitch, moan, cry, and whine about it? It would be a waste of energy, frankly, and as TrojZyr said, co-dependence seems to be quite a large fault of Wiccans... Why make it one of ours? They thrive on their persecution complexes. Why should we worry ourselves with what Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. misconceive us to be? They're no threat to my beliefs. They won't shake them... What about yours?
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EDIT: Addition to Post--
Now, I was hunting for video material of Satanism admittedly when I found the very video that you posted, and that was the only video up that wasn't of some teenage kids simply saying "lawlz mike iz liek satan." Video.google.com is still in it's beta phase, but they've added quite a lot. Now, if you type "Satanic" into your search query, you get more programs much like the one posted. My favorite thusfar is this one. I almost feel bad for the poor little sheepy about 23:45 into the video. Says he's Christian and all, but the interviewer is basically saying "YOU SINNED. GOD REJECTS YOU."

Said program is about Satanic influence in rock music. It's pretty dull and far-fetched, at least until you get about... 5:40 into the video. There's an interview with Agent Malebranche that's pretty fun to watch... Belittles the condescending interviewer with a bit of sarcasm, which is just... entertaining to say the least. It's great. The interviewer says "When you say they're not Satanists, does that mean they're not doubting enough?" Agent Malebranche laughs a little and says sarcastically "Yeah, they're not doubting enough." Oooootherwise, the rest of the video is all about the Biblical Satan, and yada yada yada... Only other video I can find on video.google.com at the moment that has anything to do with the CoS... and still, it's very little.


Edited by Kaahi (01/16/06 02:40 AM)

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#140596 - 01/15/06 09:30 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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Thanks for posting that. I found it amusing. These sort of Dark Age intellectuals always have a way with words and images that helps to disguise the poor referencing and illogic of their arguments. I suppose his whole agenda is to maintain his personal illusion while making money. I don't think his obtuse idiocy is hurting the movement at all. I think it is a titilating documentary, though it is quite inaccurate on every important point. Sort of like the Lord of the Rings or a bit of science fiction. It makes it more entertaining that he probably believes what he's saying.
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#140597 - 01/17/06 12:36 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Inquisitor]
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Quote:

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It's quite funny how they play doom music every time Charles Darwin is mentioned.





that I think was the most wired, thing about this video,it looks like they are trying to make Darwin into a satanic .
quit funny I think.
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#140598 - 01/17/06 05:32 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Kaahi]
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For the first video, what left me confused was how it started from bashing Satanism and ended with bashing the teachings of Evolution in schools.


The agenda is very obvious.

Quote:

My favorite thusfar is this one.




Nice video.

Since when was Aleister Crowley the High Priest of modern Satanism?

These videos get funnier and funnier.

I loved the Church of Satan interview. Awesome job.
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#140599 - 01/18/06 05:17 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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Just saw the video.

Things that made me laugh:

They showed the band Kiss during scenes about the evils of Darwinism.

(Incidentally, my understanding is that actual Islamic teaching doesn't give two shits about evolution. The Qu'ran certainly doesn't have a creation story. I presume that the sudden Islamic fascination with "Darwinism" is due to hanging out with Christians too much.)

They showed images of the KKK and from the movie "the Craft," which is about psycho-Wiccans.

They showed scary images of mean ol' predatory animals, and quoted Vexen Crabtree a lot, but failed to notice that Vexen Crabtree's totem animal is....the squirrel.

They showed completely random footage of riots, Klan gatherings, and different types of occultists for emotional impact.

The bad computer animation of that ritual chamber, with it's "motion sensor" skull.
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#140600 - 01/18/06 06:20 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: TrojZyr]
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I thought that jews, muslims and christians all shared the old testament (along w/genesis), so I would think muslims would have an opinion about evolution. I'm not super educated on these matters either.
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#140601 - 01/18/06 07:08 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: uncleherpe]
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I thought that jews, muslims and christians all shared the old testament (along w/genesis), so I would think muslims would have an opinion about evolution. I'm not super educated on these matters either.




The Jews and Christians both have The same Old Testament. The Muslims do not. They were told, if I am correct, to respect "those of the book"...Christians and Jews; but, I am sure that is for political reasons.
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#140602 - 01/18/06 08:22 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: uncleherpe]
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Quote:

I thought that jews, muslims and christians all shared the old testament (along w/genesis), so I would think muslims would have an opinion about evolution. I'm not super educated on these matters either.




No, actually the Muslims do not share the old testament, but some of the stories of the Qur'an are very similar to some ofthe stories in the bible. They do belive that Allah created man from clay and called him Adam, gave him a wife and put them in a garden. Satan was created at the same time, in order to tempt Adam with the fruit of the tree. So, they do believe in creation, pretty much the same way as the Jews and Christians.



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#140603 - 01/18/06 08:30 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Quote:

The Jews and Christians both have The same Old Testament. The Muslims do not. They were told, if I am correct, to respect "those of the book"...Christians and Jews; but, I am sure that is for political reasons.




The Muslims actually do believe in the prophets of the "old books", but Muhammad was the last prophet. (He gets the last word, so of course the Qur'an is the true book.) They will tell you they believe in Jesus, but they believe he was a prophet, not god.


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#140604 - 01/18/06 08:46 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: dragondancer]
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Thanks for the info. I have very limited knowledge about the beliefs of Moslims.
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#140605 - 01/18/06 09:45 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Your welcome. My ex is a Muslim, he liked teaching me that shit. Guess he thought he could "save" me. In the end, I saved myself!


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#140606 - 01/19/06 01:19 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Quote:

They were told, if I am correct, to respect "those of the book"...Christians and Jews; but, I am sure that is for political reasons.




As far as I know from the history books, Jews where allowed
to keep their faith and live as second class citizens even in
the most rigid theocracies of the muslim old empires while
Christians were given the option of "convert or die".

Then came Israel, and Jews joined the list.

I'm not familiar with american muslims, but this is what I know
from arab muslims.

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#140607 - 01/19/06 02:23 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: uncleherpe]
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You're correct---they're all "People of the Book," so they share the same basic mythology.

But, they tend to "tweak" those different stories in different ways, and naturally emphasize some things above others. The Qu'ran says that Adam was made from clay, but that's pretty much it, and if you believe that Allah exists in a perpetual present, you can easily reconcile Adam (whose name, Adamah, means "dirt") with evolution.

"Normal" Islam, based on what I've studied, has no problem with the natural sciences, and has even contributed to them throughout the ages in the fields of astronomy, medicine, and math. The Sunnah says that one should even be willing to go to China to seek knowledge, and the Qu'ran says that the intellect is a gift from Allah. There is no serious gap between spiritual revelation and scientific knowledge, and since the creation reveals things about the creator, you shouldn't be opposed to studying it and taking it seriously.

These website have good summaries, from what I read:

http://al-islam.org/al-tawhid/science_muslim_ummah/3.htm
http://quranicverse99.tripod.com/pathtoparadise/id4.html
http://www.ezsoftech.com/akram/knowledge.asp

Of course, what individual Muslims decide to freak out about or not is up to them, just as in any religion. I imagine many Muslims may freak out about "Darwinism" not necessarily because they have a deeply rooted resentment towards evolution, but because they resent the secular, atheistic philosophical conclusions that some, like Richard Dawkins, make as a result of examining evolution.
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#140608 - 01/19/06 04:15 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: dragondancer]
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>>So, they do believe in creation, pretty much the same way
>>as the Jews and Christians.

Not all sects of all 3 of these religions hold the same views regarding creationism and evolution. For example, some Christian sects such as Jehovah's Witnesses do take the Book of Genesis and the rest of the Bible as a literal account, and thus reject what science has to say. Other sects such as Roman Catholicism do accept evolution, while viewing the Genesis stories as purely symbolic and inspirational rather than literal.
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#140609 - 01/19/06 09:22 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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My boss is a devout Catholic in his 60's. He has no idea of my affiliation (and he never will). Not long ago, I was chatting with him and mentioned that I had spent Halloween in Salem, partying with witches, pagans and Satanists of all sorts.

He turned somewhat pale and said "Well, be careful. Halloween IS inspired by Satanic cults, which have been around for centuries and are in fact growing in number."

What did I do? Did I tell him what an ignorant piece of shit he is? Did I tell him Satanists are strong-minded individuals who would never be sucked into the herd activity of a cult?

No. I simply nodded and said "I see."

If he ever found out that one of his most loyal and dependable employees was a Satanist, he'd probably have a heart attack. I don't wish that on him. I would rather spend my time and energy on my own interests than waste it on the herd.
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#140610 - 01/19/06 09:32 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Bill_M]
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Quote:

>>So, they do believe in creation, pretty much the same way
>>as the Jews and Christians.

Not all sects of all 3 of these religions hold the same views regarding creationism and evolution. For example, some Christian sects such as Jehovah's Witnesses do take the Book of Genesis and the rest of the Bible as a literal account, and thus reject what science has to say. Other sects such as Roman Catholicism do accept evolution, while viewing the Genesis stories as purely symbolic and inspirational rather than literal.



Of course you're right. That was an over simplification on my part. I would take it a step further, though and say that even among Catholics there is a lot of disagreement on the subject of creationism vs. evolution. My mother is a "born-again" Christian and believes very literally in the bible and creation. My father, on the other hand, was also a Catholic, but also a scientist and had no problem reconciling evolution with the bible stories, which he did not take literally.


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#140611 - 01/19/06 09:58 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: TrojZyr]
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Quote:

"Normal" Islam, based on what I've studied, has no problem with the natural sciences, and has even contributed to them throughout the ages in the fields of astronomy, medicine, and math. The Sunnah says that one should even be willing to go to China to seek knowledge, and the Qu'ran says that the intellect is a gift from Allah. There is no serious gap between spiritual revelation and scientific knowledge, and since the creation reveals things about the creator, you shouldn't be opposed to studying it and taking it seriously.




I am not sure what you mean by "normal" Islam. Since the time of the revolution in Iran, the Shiite Muslims turned the clock back and shrouded everything in religious mysticism. They made it a point to get rid of the intellectual people, either by putting them in prison, exiling them, or outright execution. On the surface at least they wanted everyone to be focusing not on the intellect but on the spiritual, and they made sure of it by enforcing the religious beliefs violently. Anyone openly talking about scientific notions as opposed to "godly" notions was dealt with summarily. Though things are a little better in present day, there is still a great push to be heavily religious, at least for the masses.

So, again I guess it depends on which sect of Islam you are talking about, just as it does with xtianity. Some are more fundamental and literal than others.


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#140612 - 01/19/06 10:17 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: dragondancer]
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True indeed.

Sunnis aren't always glowing citizens either.

Yes, it does depend on sect and location, and it also depends on time period.
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#140613 - 01/19/06 11:15 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: SilverHammer]
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Now that's a cool avatar, no wonder the election was rigged... damn it. hey, you were in salem right? ironically that's where I plan to spend my halloween vacation this year. any suggestions of where to go? I plan on stayin for about 3 days, maybe 4.
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#140614 - 01/19/06 11:35 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Bill_M]
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that sparked a sidebar for me, do Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses share parallel ideas? Both proselytize, one by bikes, the other on foot, both wear suits. I thought you might have some insight on this before I research it further.
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#140615 - 01/20/06 12:18 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: pitzi_83]
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As far as I know from the history books, Jews where allowed to keep their faith and live as second class citizens even in the most rigid theocracies of the muslim old empires while Christians were given the option of "convert or die".




I'm not sure about the christian part, since that came later than the history I've studied recently, but jews definately were given an option of keeping their faith. Muslims converted a great many people though, and not suprisingly one tactic was tax breaks.
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#140616 - 01/21/06 07:58 PM The secret of happiness. [Re: InfesT]
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Do not choose to wallow in bullshit.

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#140617 - 01/22/06 08:47 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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While watching, I had a good laugh at the video.

Then, laughed at myself for wasting 30 minutes of my life.

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#140618 - 01/25/06 05:57 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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InfesT wrote. "the think assault bloodshed and rape is right..." what the fuck?"

Well, I am a Satanist, and here is my take on rape. If a Female, or Male, is where they simply should not be, dressed in a manner they should not be, giving advances they should not give, and the end-result is Rape! I find quite deserving. One should never send a mateing call unless they want screwed, Fucked, or Raped "There are far to many waiting to oblige"! How ever random rapists I find detesting, and deserve their immediate demise. I also choose not to view this video, simply because you have told me of its putrid contents. Misery loves company!
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#140619 - 06/12/06 03:16 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: SilverHammer]
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I know how you feel about your boss having a potential heart attack. I don't allow mine to know my affiliations either. However I did have a different sort of issue with my employer recently. I tend to adopt gothic-like aesthetics in my time off, as is my right. Well I wandered into the restaurant to get some food on my day off, and I just so happened to be wearing the all black with black makeup aesthetics and last week she approached me and told me not to be in the store when I'm all dressed up in these dark getups. How fucked is that? I don't intend to let it go too far, though. She really can't tell me what to do with my time off, but alas, I do not wish to cause further trouble.

HS!

I know you get this a lot, but I dig the avatar!


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#140620 - 06/12/06 07:29 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Lust]
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NOBODY diseves to be raped. Regardless of how stupid they are. Most of the people you described are not aware that they are asking to be raped—it is ignorrant, but it doesn’t make them deserving of such an awful thing: they did not hurt anybody.


About the video- I woder, are there videos that premote the contrary? That show of the inqusiton, the Jihad, the killing and abuse of wemon by religious man, of bitting of children, of witch-hunts etc…?
I think that should be done. Not in the contecst of satanism\in the name of the CoS.. just as an objective history of religious pervetions… I'll just enjot watching it… =P
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#140621 - 06/12/06 07:50 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: The_Lightning]
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NOBODY diserves to be raped.




I dissagree.

Rapists, child molesters, murderers, those who purposly spread AIDs, and those who abuse animals diserve to be raped.
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#140622 - 06/12/06 07:55 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: tovasshi]
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Smartass..



Yeah..Except for THOSE…
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#140623 - 06/12/06 08:06 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: The_Lightning]
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NOBODY diseves to be raped. Regardless of how stupid they are.




You just contradicted yourself. If your convictions were true you would have left no room for compromise with tovasshi.
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#140624 - 06/12/06 08:57 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: InfesT]
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I have found over the years that the best way of dealing with these types is summed up by living two quotes.

1. Responsibility to the responsible.
2. Vital experience, not spiritual pipe dreams.

Once one excels in the real world and develops successfully, status, influence and position they will then be in the position to best protect themselves and call the shots in real life situations. Others who hold a superior mind-set will recognize/sence your outstanding qualities and want to know your personal "tricks of the trade" so to speak. This puts the aces up your sleeve and creates a line of demarcation between playing in the philio-religious sandbox and skillfully mastering minds.
Those who don't get it,can't. Plain and simple they sheep to be ruled, herded, and manipulated. ( This is very easy to do.)

Remember complaining about something only subjects you to it. Use your life and create reality to your will. If they bother you, ask them to stop, if they do not - Destroy them. This is the non-irrating way to deal with not only religious dolts but ill mannered and educated rubes as a whole.

To quote Magister Gilmore's wonderful writing...
"Our massed egos shall shatter the complacency of those who would abdicate reason for ignorance..."
I hope this helps you in dealing similar instances in the future.
I personally never allow myself to be used as a scape goat due to the fact I enforce the school of thought "fear me or respect me". Either way it gets the job done.
Infernally yours,
Krow
PS. Remember the old saying..." Never try to teach a pig to sing. It only wastes the teachers time and annoys the pig"
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#140625 - 06/12/06 11:06 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Lust]
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If a Female, or Male, is where they simply should not be, dressed in a manner they should not be, giving advances they should not give, and the end-result is Rape! I find quite deserving.




I call bullshit. That's merely an excuse used to justify a lack of self control. A lack of self control on someone else’s part is hardly an excuse to warrant a lack of self control on your own.

Now, this does not mean that someone who puts themselves in a bad situation will get pity from me (quite the contrary), but that is hardly reason to justify rape as appropriate to their stupidity. Once a person says “stop” then the mating call is over and revoked, period. Any continuation at that point is advancing without a mating signal and is unwelcome.

Those who have violated the laws have given up their rights, and therefore cannot be used to validate your argument. It also does not apply to the situation that you have presented as a basis for your argument.

I find your argument highly solipsistic and quite contrary to Satanic thought.
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#140626 - 06/12/06 11:29 AM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Lust]
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No, sweetie- it has nothing to do with true or false.. it has to do with a the phrasing of a law- that's why even in courts a law is brought up three times in front of the parliament to be rephrased until its accurate and considers all aspects.
So let me rephrased- people who deserve to be raped are only people who made equally horrific crimes against other humans.
A girl who doesn’t know what she wants from herself didn't hurt a soul- she doesn’t deserve to be "punished" in such a brutal way.
Taboo's reply on the subject was, as always, very well written.. I'll even quote it:
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I call bullshit. That's merely an excuse used to justify a lack of self control. A lack of self control on someone else’s part is hardly an excuse to warrant a lack of self control on your own.

Now, this does not mean that someone who puts themselves in a bad situation will get pity from me (quite the contrary), but that is hardly reason to justify rape as appropriate to their stupidity. Once a person says “stop” then the mating call is over and revoked, period. Any continuation at that point is advancing without a mating signal and is unwelcome.

Those who have violated the laws have given up their rights, and therefore cannot be used to validate your argument. It also does not apply to the situation that you have presented as a basis for your argument.

I find your argument highly solipsistic and quite contrary to Satanic thought




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I would like to add that I would treat such a person disrespectfully, but every reaction should be balanced against the action. Raping her is not a balanced reaction.


Edited by The_Lightning (06/12/06 11:34 AM)
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#140627 - 06/12/06 01:43 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Neko]
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changing post


Edited by Tier_Instinct (06/12/06 02:08 PM)
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#140628 - 06/12/06 02:29 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Neko]
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Quote:

Quote:

If a Female, or Male, is where they simply should not be, dressed in a manner they should not be, giving advances they should not give, and the end-result is Rape! I find quite deserving.




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I call bullshit. That's merely an excuse used to justify a lack of self control. A lack of self control on someone else&#8217;s part is hardly an excuse to warrant a lack of self control on your own.



I have never lost any self control. Rather I am stating the obvious in others.

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Now, this does not mean that someone who puts themselves in a bad situation will get pity from me (quite the contrary), but that is hardly reason to justify rape as appropriate to their stupidity. Once a person says &#8220;stop&#8221; then the mating call is over and revoked, period. Any continuation at that point is advancing without a mating signal and is unwelcome.




Nor will I pitty them which is what my original post is implying.
I do not justify rape because of their stupidity. I would never justify rape. I am saying that rape happens. Stupidity is quite painful for some.

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Those who have violated the laws have given up their rights, and therefore cannot be used to validate your argument. It also does not apply to the situation that you have presented as a basis for your argument.




Those who have violated the laws deserve where they are, and more importantly have nothing too do with this argument.

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I find your argument highly solipsistic and quite contrary to Satanic thought.




After have read your post I would probably feel the same way. However I do not think you are hearing what it is I am saying.
I in no way advocate rape.
I am saying that there are plenty of crazy people in the world, and if someone intices one into believing something be ready to split or deal with your actions. No means No and thats the bottom line...
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#140629 - 06/12/06 02:51 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: The_Lightning]
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NO one should ever be raped period. There is no excuse for the action. There is also no excuse for stupidity. A grown male or female knows when one has gone too far.
Now in the case of a child. This is an entirely different situation and calls for only one suitable punishment. Death!
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#140630 - 06/12/06 03:46 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Lust]
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I say- an eye for an eye.
death is a nice way out... miserable life is a bigger punishment.
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#140631 - 06/12/06 04:02 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: Lust]
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NO one should ever be raped period. There is no excuse for the action. There is also no excuse for stupidity. A grown male or female knows when one has gone too far.
Now in the case of a child. This is an entirely different situation and calls for only one suitable punishment. Death!




I think that about sums it up pretty well.
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#140632 - 06/12/06 04:02 PM Re: Wow, people really like to use scapegoating dont they? [Re: The_Lightning]
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I say- an eye for an eye.
death is a nice way out... miserable life is a bigger punishment.




I agree with this very strongly. While I feel there is no cause for rape to begin with, I say the best punishment for rape is rape. If you think you need to force yourself on someone else to that point, then I say let big bubba have his way with you as your punishment for said actions. When your asshole quits stinging, you will never do that again..I would think. Some people can only learn that they have wronged others by being equally wronged in return. I don't recall if it's in Louisianna or Texas, but in one of those southern states, if you are convicted of rape, they castrate you and leave you in general population and let the other inmates have their way with you. I like that, a lot. I have zero tolerance for such sickness and I find the best way to discourage it is to let the offender become the offendee. End of story.

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