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#142219 - 01/25/06 08:37 AM Plan ahead...Get Ready!
Lust Offline


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I have been staying somewhat on top of "The bird flu", or
H5N1 virus, and I would like to share some thoughts, and precautionary steps on the subject. I am also looking for feedback as ways to help against it as well.

As we all know The H5N1 virus is not in The United States yet
but very easy is it to raise its head if contamination gets through, So step 1. I believe is "Try avoiding visiting areas where the virus is current," step 2. Personal Hygiene is imperative, Thoroughly washing your hands whenever possible is always a good idea. step 3. You do not have to be a nurse to anyone, avoid sick Humans, and sick birds, this is where it starts. step 4. Be observant, H5N1 has now been found in abundance in fertilizers that use chicken pooh, so read the bag.
step 5. Get protective gear, Gas Masks, Body suits, and so forth.
step 6. Plan an escape destination for yourself, and your loved ones. Isolate yourself with enough water, food, and medical supplies
You can. There is simply no excuse for not being prepared.

As some of you know, The United States has asked for over 1 billion dollars for a stockpile of the vaccine that will simply, and hopefully keep you from dying if you contract the H5N1, or "Avian Flu" there is enough vaccine for 1 in 14 Americans
so be on the front lines, and ready to get your shot, or shots.

As always stay healthy. A good diet, and exercise is usually a good preventive step for any illness.

The biggest threat is seeing if these viruses are changing. We simply need to isolate the viruses, and investigate them thoroughly. But the birds die so quickly, this is becoming very hard to do, and is very serious.

In closing for now. Sick Birds spread the H5N1 virus or "Bird Flu" to sick Birds. Sick Birds spread the virus to Sick Humans, Sick Humans spread the virus to sick Humans, etc., etc., etc.

Ultimately, the Superflu Pandemic is the climax! Which will bring culture upheaval, and Dire Emergency status on the world? With a start in a place like Bangkok the Superflu would spread so fast,
there is simply not enough time for defense. The best analogy I can come up with is the response to Hurricane Katrina Victims, from The United States Government. Folks that was a Storm, This is a Pandemic!

I only post this in hopes to educate, and make the readers aware
so serious steps can be taken to insure we stay healthy.I am not a scientist "By Degree", and I am Not being pretentious. I can only hope this virus does not reach our shores, but how can anyone be that naive?

Stay alert, and as always may your sins be many! "Hail Satan!"
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#142220 - 01/25/06 12:43 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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All good precautionary steps, though perhaps a bit premature for H5N1. It's my understanding that the virus cannot pass directly from human to human -- it can go from bird to bird, and bird to human, but it still needs fowl in the loop or it's stuck. Of course, at the rate this thing's mutating, it could become capable of human transmission soon. That's the time to start worrying.

These pandemic scares are games of Russian roulette. Most of the time, they just blow over without a major incident -- recall SARS from a few years ago, or going back a bit further, the Swine Flu scare. But sooner or later, the wrong chamber will line up with the barrel and we'll have a major situation on our hands. It's then that you'll be very glad of your emergency preparedness.

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#142221 - 01/25/06 05:21 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Chess]
Lust Offline


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Chess
In response to your reply about Human to Human contact. This is what concerns me! Centers for Disease Control, and Prevention say that it is likely that a young boy transmitted the "Bird flu" to a health care worker through direct contact in a Hong Kong Hospital
Just last May!
Investigators suspect the virus spread when the health care worker examined the boys eyes, which showed signs of inflammation, and then touched his, or her face.
This is a touchy subject, and as it should be. I am not going into panic mode, or having any kind of nervous breakdown over this "Yet."
I have taken steps to protect myself, and my family
This is what I am advising.


Edited by tier_instinct (01/25/06 05:36 PM)
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#142222 - 01/26/06 03:02 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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OMG REMEMBER SARS????//

I STILL HAVE ALL MY GEAR LEFT OVER FROM THAT. ANYWAY, THANKS FOR THE CONCERN!!!!11

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#142223 - 01/26/06 10:15 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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Thank you for the warning.. I've been looking for a post by someone on this topic, and didn't feel informed enough to start one.

I was a little two young and preoccupied with childish teenage bullshit to become fully affected by the scare in the news about SARS. I make it a point to not watch too much news because they do a good job of keeping the public in fear all the time. I have been concerned with this recently because I understand that the government had not taken too many procautions against a wide spread infection that may insue, yet I see now that it would be impossible for them to handle it any differently than they are now. While listening to a morning radio show yesterday, they played audio clips from Opera the day prior, with experts discussing Bird Flu. They made it sound very serious and freaked me out for a good five minutes. I felt like half of the world was going to die, etc. with the apocalyptic mindset eating at me.

Then I wondered if there had been this type of freak out before. Was SARS treated the same way by the mass media to scare people on this level? I know that they said that all of the flu's and viral epidemics that occured during the 20th century would not add up to half of the estimated deaths about to occure, which made me a bit frightened, but then I considered that they could really say whatever they want and get away with it beccause it's an "estimate."

Either way, nature has a funny way of killing off lots of organisms. Though I know that the universe is chaos, it seems like a nearly conscious effort by nature to solve problems like over population. It's pretty senseless to be angry at something like a tsunami, but its a pretty natural reaction. I hope this all just blows over. If it doesn't, thank you for the tips, they sound useful.
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#142224 - 01/26/06 11:09 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: blasphemy]
Lust Offline


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Just being aware, and alert is the best precautionary step you can make. I do hope this dies out, but the rate of mutation in this particular virus is radical, and very much worth the worlds attention.
I have no intentions of waiting on the government to tell me its to late. I want my vaccination now!
This leaves me to wonder how I can acquire such a vaccination?
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Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#142225 - 01/26/06 01:08 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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I have no intentions of waiting on the government to tell me its to late. I want my vaccination now!
This leaves me to wonder how I can acquire such a vaccination?




It's still being developed. The trouble is that thanks to this thing's mutation rate, there are already a whole bunch of strains of it that the vaccine needs to keep up with.

Here's a page from the CDC about the current situation, along with advice for Americans in the currently-affected regions. (I guess all you non-Americans are supposed to keep drinking duck blood.)

-Chess

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#142226 - 01/26/06 02:40 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
dragondancer Offline

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This leaves me to wonder how I can acquire such a vaccination?




I am sure you have already seen this from the CDC website, but for others who might also be wondering:

"There currently is no commercially available vaccine to protect humans against H5N1 virus that is being seen in Asia and Europe. However, vaccine development efforts are taking place. Research studies to test a vaccine to protect humans against H5N1 virus began in April 2005, and a series of clinical trials is under way. For more information about H5N1 vaccine development process, visit the National Institute of Health."
source


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#142227 - 01/26/06 03:17 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: dragondancer]
Lust Offline


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It is to my knowledge one of the drugs being stockpiled by all governments around the world is Tamiflu, which is not known to be a cure. Here is another link for some thought. Curent testing, and vaccine
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#142228 - 01/26/06 04:01 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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It is to my knowledge one of the drugs being stockpiled by all governments around the world is Tamiflu, which is not known to be a cure. Here is another link for some thought. Curent testing, and vaccine



Yes, but Tamiflu (oseltamavir) is one of the ones that they are not sure will be effective. More studies need to be conducted.

Edit: Oh, yeah...you said that didn't you. My mistake.

Now if you want to volunteer to test the vaccines they are working on here are the Universities doing the research. I wouldn't do it, but if you want a vaccine badly enough....

The VTEUs now enrolling adult volunteers are

University of California at Los Angeles (Joel Ward, M.D., Principal Investigator)
University of Maryland School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD (James Campbell, M.D., Principal Investigator)
University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry, Rochester, NY (John Treanor, M.D., Principal Investigator)
In addition to the previous contract awarded to sanofi pasteur, in May 2004 NIAID also awarded a contract to Chiron Corporation of Emeryville, CA, to produce H5N1 vaccine for clinical trials.

source


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Edited by dragondancer (01/26/06 04:03 PM)
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#142229 - 01/26/06 05:32 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: dragondancer]
Lust Offline


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I still cant stop laughing. Forgive me if I don't go sign up anytime soon. I was waiting for some sarcasm, thanks. You know even if this does happen, and Human life starts anew, the new Bohemians (whether they choose Satan as an archetype or not) will still be here under any tittle they choose.
"Hail Satan!"
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Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#142230 - 01/26/06 07:51 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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The most you can do right now is get a regular flu shot. This will gear up your immune system and prepare it for the hit, if it ever comes. It will not keep you from being hospitalized, but it will give you better chances at survival then someone who didn't get one.
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#142231 - 01/26/06 08:52 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Jack_Lantern]
dragondancer Offline

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The most you can do right now is get a regular flu shot. This will gear up your immune system and prepare it for the hit, if it ever comes. It will not keep you from being hospitalized, but it will give you better chances at survival then someone who didn't get one.



I don't believe this is true. The flu shots given at the onset of a flu season are tailored specifically for flu strains that may possibly be a problem during that season. While these influenza strains are similar to the avian flu, they are not the avian flu, so a regular flu shot will do nothing toward the avian flu. The flu shot given causes your body to produce antibodies to protect you from the specific viruses that they are tailored for and nothing else. The idea that a flu shot will protect you from anything other than what it was developed for or boost your immune system is a myth.

There are things you can do to boost your immune system, I am not going to go into detail here about it. The old fashioned way may be the best way; eating a healthy diet, exercising, getting plenty of rest and keeping your stress down to a minimum, these will go a long way toward boosting your immune system immensely.

As for protecting yourself and your loved ones against a pandemic of avian flu? Read this, it is a discussion about Tamiflu and Relenza, medications commonly used for flu symptoms.

"For the neuraminidase inhibitors,(Tamiflu and Relenza) the main constraints which are substantial involve limited production capacity and a price that is prohibitively high for many countries. At present manufacturing capacity, which has recently quadrupled, it will take a decade to produce enough oseltamivir(Tamiflu) to treat 20% of the worlds population. The manufacturing process for oseltamivir is complex and time-consuming, and is not easily transferred to other facilities.

Following a donation by industry, WHO will have a stockpile of antiviral medications, sufficient for 3 million treatment courses, by early 2006. Recent studies, based on mathematical modelling, suggest that these drugs could be used prophylactically near the start of a pandemic to reduce the risk that a fully transmissible virus will emerge or at least to delay its international spread, thus gaining time to augment vaccine supplies."

"Is the world adequately prepared?

No. Despite an advance warning that has lasted almost two years, the world is ill-prepared to defend itself during a pandemic. WHO has urged all countries to develop preparedness plans, but only around 40 have done so. WHO has further urged countries with adequate resources to stockpile antiviral drugs nationally for use at the start of a pandemic. Around 30 countries are purchasing large quantities of these drugs, but the manufacturer has no capacity to fill these orders immediately. On present trends, most developing countries will have no access to vaccines and antiviral drugs throughout the duration of a pandemic."

source

So, the WHO has said they are stockpiling these medications, that the world is nowhere near prepared for a pandemic, and that it would take ten years to produce enough Tamiflu to cover only 20% of the world population!

You know what, I am not waiting for them. I am stockpiling my own!



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#142232 - 01/26/06 09:10 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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I can remember some doctor guy on TV quite a while ago warning everyone to stockpile vaccines, quite a few countries ignored him.

I hope this thing is like the next plague, next time maybe moron politicians will listen to people. Its allways best to air on the side of caution when dealing with deadly diseases.
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#142233 - 01/26/06 09:28 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Ram]
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I can remember some doctor guy on TV quite a while ago warning everyone to stockpile vaccines, quite a few countries ignored him.

I hope this thing is like the next plague, next time maybe moron politicians will listen to people. Its allways best to air on the side of caution when dealing with deadly diseases.



One more time.....there are NO vaccines available against the Avian flu at this time. Research is being conducted at the present time.



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#142234 - 01/26/06 09:33 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: dragondancer]
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Well, maybe they decided to stockpile chicken soup then.
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#142235 - 01/26/06 10:48 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Jack_Lantern]
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I don't agree with that analogy. Flu shots, in my opinion are "loaded" placeebos. At the least, they're basically the same as religion in a physical context, they pacify the idiots by giving them a sense of false assurance that because they're injected, that their resistance will be an added buffer in case they get hit with the "superflu." Bullshit I say. At the other end of the spectrum, people are always getting these flu shots every year whenever the media wants to start its annual flu paranoia and get the asses I mean, masses riled up that an possible epidemic might occur, so they might as well get injected by the very host (virus) that they're trying to avoid getting! Hell, ok I'll buy that bullshit. Since people are lining up at the first sneeze they see or hear to get injected with the very virus they fear contracting, let's go all the way and get injected with a venereal disease so that in case some of us wants to feel "randy" and take a walk on the wild side by not using protection, at least we'll already have one of the several VD's out there in our system. Damn, I don't know what possesses these idiots to get a VIRUS injected into their immune system JUST so they can have the false sense of security that if they already are sick as a dog (voluntarily I might add) then when the bug actually catches up to them...they'll be impervious to it. Ok...and Elvis is alive and well.
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#142236 - 01/26/06 10:49 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Ram]
dragondancer Offline

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Well, maybe they decided to stockpile chicken soup then.




You know, I used to advocate the use of chicken soup for the flu, but now..........



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#142237 - 01/26/06 11:06 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Dark_Adept]
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possible epidemic might occur, so they might as well get injected by the very host (virus) that they're trying to avoid getting! Hell, ok I'll buy that bullshit. Since people are lining up at the first sneeze they see or hear to get injected with the very virus they fear contracting, let's go all the way and get injected with a venereal disease so that in case some of us wants to feel "randy" and take a walk on the wild side by not using protection, at least we'll already have one of the several VD's out there in our system. Damn, I don't know what possesses these idiots to get a VIRUS injected into their immune system JUST so they can have the false sense of security that if they already are sick as a dog (voluntarily I might add) then when the bug actually catches up to them...they'll be impervious to it. Ok...and Elvis is alive and well.




Let me just clarify something here. You are not injected with a live virus when you get a flu shot. You are injected with a killed virus, that triggers an immune response in your body. It does not give you the flu, it does not give you flu symptoms. It may give you a sore arm, but unless you are allergic to it, it will NOT make you sick.

It is only a false sense of security in that people tend to think that if they get the shot they are protected from all viruses. That is not true. Their bodies will, however, produce antibodies against the specific influenza that the shots are produce to protect against, and that changes from year to year.

Stop perpetuating myths and do some research.


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#142238 - 01/27/06 12:45 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: dragondancer]
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Quote:

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Well, maybe they decided to stockpile chicken soup then.




You know, I used to advocate the use of chicken soup for the flu, but now..........



Hail Satan!





hilarious!!



your second post was good, I was about to clarify that but you beat me to it...
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#142239 - 01/27/06 01:43 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: dragondancer]
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The flu shot given causes your body to produce antibodies to protect you from the specific viruses that they are tailored for and nothing else.




The immune system doesn't quite work like that. Smallpox vaccinations are of a related virus, not smallpox. If the immune system only recognizes specific proteins, then how would it be possible for smallpox vaccinations to work? It's simple; the immune system is more adaptable than you give it credit for.
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#142240 - 01/27/06 02:59 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Jack_Lantern]
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Quote:

The flu shot given causes your body to produce antibodies to protect you from the specific viruses that they are tailored for and nothing else.




The immune system doesn't quite work like that. Smallpox vaccinations are of a related virus, not smallpox. If the immune system only recognizes specific proteins, then how would it be possible for smallpox vaccinations to work? It's simple; the immune system is more adaptable than you give it credit for.





Okay, I do not profess to be an expert on the human immune system. It is a complex, multifaceted system, that continues to be the subject of much research.


That being said, I don't see how your example of the small pox vaccine disputes what I said in my post about how the immune system works within the context of antigens and antibodies.

I concede that the small pox vaccine is made from a virus that is related to small pox (vaccinia) and not the actual small pox virus.(I don't think that I intimated that you cannot do this.) This virus is antigenically equivalent to the small pox virus, so that it is able to provoke the body into producing the antibodies that will protect you from the targeted virus. It will protect you from small pox, and the vaccinia virus. That is pretty specific. It won't protect you from any other viruses. (Unless of course they are also antigenic equivalents, and I don't know if there are others or not.) It isn't going to protect you from the varicella virus, even though that is also a pox virus. You need to be innoculated with varicella, either by disease or vaccine, in order to be protected from it, otherwise you remain susceptible, no matter how many other different vaccines you get.

It is certainly possible that I am not giving the immune system as much credit for adaptability as it actually has, but you have not shown me anything that disputes that vaccines are target specific. If I get the flu vaccine for this flu season it will protect me only from antigenically equivalent viruses and nothing more, and avian flu is obviously not antigenically equivalent to these viruses. If it were, the WHO would be recommending people in high risk nations receive it, and they are not. I'm certainly not going to count on it.



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#142241 - 01/27/06 03:21 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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I laugh in the face of bird flu.

It's all a load of hogwash. Utter twaddle.

Isn't the government official who announced this threat to the American public the chief shareholder in the company that manufactures the antidote?

A dozen or so people die of it everyday around the world. Have been for years. It just usually goes unnoticed.
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#142242 - 01/27/06 05:33 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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Let me know when it's time to panic and run around in circles. Until then I will just sit here twiddling my thumbs.
As for not having to be a nurse to other human beings....um, but that's my profession. .....runs to put on gas mask.

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#142243 - 01/27/06 06:54 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Asmedious]
dragondancer Offline

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As for not having to be a nurse to other human beings....um, but that's my profession. .....runs to put on gas mask.



Yes, there are times when they just don't pay us enough! When you consider the risks...


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#142244 - 01/27/06 08:29 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: dragondancer]
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This link should help in educating everyone on The Human Immune System. Health line
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#142245 - 01/27/06 08:35 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
Lust Offline


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I do not think that anyone has found a vaccine for H5N1 or "Bird Flu". Tamiflu, and Relenza are what the goverments around the world are stockpilling.
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#142246 - 01/28/06 01:05 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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>>Tamiflu, and Relenza are what the goverments around the world are stockpilling.<<

It doesn't matter what the name of it is. Whatever it is they are selling is the reason behind the media manipulations.
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#142247 - 01/28/06 01:31 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: dragondancer]
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If it were, the WHO would be recommending people in high risk nations receive it, and they are not.




Well I'm not an expert either, but the notice my father got at the hospital suggested that they all get flu virus shots. And the way he explained it, antigenic equivalence was a factor. So I guess your going to stock up on tamiflu, I'll get the shot, and who ever dies first is wrong.
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#142248 - 01/28/06 01:36 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Yeah, they also say the immanent epidemic can kill one fourth of the world population, can't you just let a man dream?
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#142249 - 01/28/06 03:38 AM Ready to take end of the world bets here. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
Nemo Offline
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I am ready to take any bets that the world will not end.

If you think the world will end due to any cause at all please contact me to name your odds.

Of course if you win you might have a bit of trouble collecting.

More seriously, this is a highly improbably problem as no simple human to human spread has happened.

Until and unless the virus happens to mutuate in that way this is a non issue ... unless you are a chicken farmer.

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#142250 - 01/28/06 07:35 AM Sauerkraut, anyone? [Re: Lust]
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You could always try this. Although for those who can't stomach it, perhaps a vaccine would be preferable.


Is Sauerkraut a New Weapon Against Bird Flu?
By Karen Herzog

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel


MILWAUKEE While President Bush scrambles to ward off an avian-flu pandemic, the world's largest sauerkraut producer, tucked amid the glacial lakebeds of rural Wisconsin, is sitting atop a bumper crop of one possible preventative.

That's right: sauerkraut.

An international buzz is surrounding the unassuming fermented cabbage. Scientists at Seoul National University in South Korea fed an extract of kimchi, a spicy Korean variant of sauerkraut, to 13 chickens infected with avian flu, and a week later, 11 of the birds started to recover, according to a report by the BBC Network.

"Unlike the government, we've got the preventative, and 115,000 tons of it in Wisconsin alone," said Ryan Downs, owner and general manager of Great Lakes Kraut Co., which has sauerkraut factories in Bear Creek and Shiocton, Wis., and in Shortsville, N.Y.

Downs said more extensive scientific research is needed to prove any curative link to avian flu, but he's more than happy to tout kraut as a healthful part of any diet.

"People are starting to realize kraut is a pretty doggone good food," Downs said when contacted about the South Korean study. "We're ready to help keep the world healthy."

Several television and radio stations across the United States have picked up the BBC story, said Steve Lundin, spokesman for Frank's Sauerkraut, based in Fremont, Ohio.

After a Minneapolis CBS affiliate did its own story on sauerkraut's potential in the battle against avian flu, Frank's checked 54 Twin City area stores it supplies, and found an 850 percent spike in overall sauerkraut sales, Lundin said.

"People will do whatever they can if they can't rely on the government to provide them with a vaccine or other preventative," Lundin said.

South Koreans reportedly are eating more kimchi since news of the study came out. But Korean researchers acknowledged that if kimchi actually caused the effects they observed, it was unclear why.

Men's Health magazine fed the sauerkraut buzz in its November issue, suggesting Americans put together pandemic kits containing a few cans of sauerkraut, among other nonperishable foods, because like kimchi it is packed with lactic-acid bacteria "shown by Korean researchers to speed recovery of chickens infected with avian flu."

Another recently released study at the University of New Mexico indicates that sauerkraut may reduce the risk of breast cancer by up to 74 percent. That study set out to determine why the risk of breast cancer nearly triples in Polish women who immigrate to the United States.

Of the hundreds of Polish women and Polish-born U.S. immigrants observed in the study, those who ate four or more servings of sauerkraut and cabbage per week during adolescence were 74 percent less likely to develop breast cancer than those who ate 1.5 or fewer servings per week.

Copyright 2005 The Seattle Times Company
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#142251 - 01/28/06 10:33 AM Re: Ready to take end of the world bets here. [Re: Nemo]
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This is a bet IM not ready to place, the house always wins.

How ever if any major human to human spread of H5N1 begins as a result of this virus, Ill put $100.00 on it. I can only imagine you would say, No more bets.
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#142252 - 01/28/06 10:38 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
Lust Offline


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Now thats food for thought.
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#142253 - 01/28/06 10:46 AM Re: Sauerkraut, anyone? [Re: ShadowWalker]
Lust Offline


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Now this is interesting. I love sauerkraut, I think, I will serve it up for dinner tonight. Thanks for the heads up.
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Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#142254 - 01/28/06 10:52 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Jack_Lantern]
Lust Offline


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Indeed I can. Especially if its the eighty percent of a certain part of the population.
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Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#142255 - 01/28/06 08:41 PM Re: Sauerkraut, anyone? [Re: ShadowWalker]
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Although for those who can't stomach it, perhaps a vaccine would be preferable.





Your right, the vaccine would be preferable.
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#142256 - 01/28/06 08:52 PM Re: Sauerkraut, anyone? [Re: ShadowWalker]
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See...Now THAT is why I eat the stuff for breakfast.
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#142257 - 01/28/06 09:06 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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I call this tactic of the media "Fear for Sale. They do it all the time and what is really amazing, is it works and works well!
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#142258 - 01/29/06 02:10 PM Your on, Magister!! [Re: Nemo]
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If you think the world will end due to any cause at all please contact me to name your odds.


According to the "news" on Southern California TeeVee, the four horsemen of the apocalyse will be pitbull terriers who smoke cigarettes outdoors whilst stealing our identities from our garbage.

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#142259 - 02/16/06 09:25 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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I heard on morning radio that officials in South Korea are encouraging evryone in South Korea, that Kim chi kills all airborne strains of "The Bird Flu."
Here is a link for those who do not know the dish. http://www.pyongyang-metro.com/kimchi/

So now Koreans are puting Kim chi in their air systems. As reported on morning radio.
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#142260 - 02/16/06 09:42 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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I heard on morning radio that officials in South Korea are encouraging evryone in South Korea, that Kim chi kills all airborne strains of "The Bird Flu."




Maybe it'll also protect them from Fan Death.

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#142261 - 02/17/06 08:08 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: dragondancer]
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As a medical provider, I have been offered the flu-shot every year. I'm not too crazy about getting it, but it beats bringing germs to a medical facility where people can die if they get the flu. In the ten years that I have been getting it, not once did i get the flu. It must be a great placebo.
However, personally I wouldn't take the shots if it wasn't for the above situation. I believe that it is good for the imune system once in awhile to get a good work out fighting something off. Also the flu shot does not contain a live virus, so one is not injected with the virus that makes them sick. The immune system is "Fooled" into thinking that the live virus is in the body, and it creates antibodies, so when the real virus enters the body, it is ready with the antibodies to fight it off, instead of having to wait three weeks for the body to get the defense ready, delaying healing.
Or something like that.

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#142262 - 02/18/06 08:32 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Chess]
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OK Chess, you earned Checkmate with that one.
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#142263 - 02/18/06 11:45 AM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Lust]
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Well if this virus does sweep the world killing millions, it will stop people whining about over population, thats for sure.

In the news here in Australia, we've been hearing good things about a vaccine.
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#142264 - 02/19/06 08:04 PM Re: Plan ahead...Get Ready! [Re: Asmedious]
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As a medical provider, I have been offered the flu-shot every year. I'm not too crazy about getting it, but it beats bringing germs to a medical facility where people can die if they get the flu. In the ten years that I have been getting it, not once did i get the flu. It must be a great placebo.
However, personally I wouldn't take the shots if it wasn't for the above situation. I believe that it is good for the imune system once in awhile to get a good work out fighting something off. Also the flu shot does not contain a live virus, so one is not injected with the virus that makes them sick. The immune system is "Fooled" into thinking that the live virus is in the body, and it creates antibodies, so when the real virus enters the body, it is ready with the antibodies to fight it off, instead of having to wait three weeks for the body to get the defense ready, delaying healing.
Or something like that.




Hmmm.....I'm confused, were you responding to my chicken soup comment? That was a joke, ya know?

On the other hand, I never said the flu vaccine was a placebo, it was some other poster that made that intimation. That being said, however, I too am a health care provider. I have very rarely taken the proffered flu vaccines, and guess what, in twenty years of providing care I too have never gotten the flu! I guess it doesn't prove anything either way.


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