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#146581 - 02/20/06 11:48 AM Re: "What If?" [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
Maya Offline
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Registered: 04/21/05
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Excellent post, Warlock Leviathan, and thank you for it. I too find the vast majority of these "What If?" type of questions to be useless and transparent. Too often the only purpose of such questions is to validate the asker, to make him/her feel like his/her opinion is the right one. Such need of external validation seems to me to be rather un-Satanic.

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#146582 - 02/20/06 11:55 AM general satanism discussions [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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Registered: 07/10/04
Posts: 10
Loc: San Diego,CA
I would like to know what does the peacock have to do with satanism?
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#146583 - 02/20/06 03:30 PM Re: "What If?" [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
Bill_M Offline
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Registered: 07/28/01
Posts: 11560
Loc: New England, USA
>>This is beneath contempt, to pose moronic fantasy
>>questions in order to bait those you ask.

Thank you for posting this! "What if" questions were fun when I was maybe 14, sitting around with other bored 14 year-olds and starting to build a mind for philosophy. And those little "If..." can be fun at parties. But such questions really serve no purpose here.

I've noticed that most of the time, people who ask such questions are out to play the old "loophole" game. You know, present a hypothetical situation where the circumstances are so bizarre that belief "A" would seemingly contradict belief "B". Then such shit-disturbers claim themselves as the victor if they win the "I found a contradiction" game. Pathetic.
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#146584 - 02/21/06 12:18 AM Re: "What If?" [Re: Bill_M]
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Registered: 03/22/05
Posts: 499
most of the time when a 'what if' comes up its to try and prove a point, and I wouldnt really mind as long as the comparisons werent so crappy.

for instance- at another board I started a topic called 'why is adoption considered more responsible than abortion?" and I got a 'what if you were on a sinking ship and you could either let your baby drown with you or give it to a family in a life boat??" um. yeah. Its just a crappy comparison.


the what if game is slightly annoying, but I dont think its always a bad thing. I think its done poorly most of the time and so its actually prety natural to roll your eyes when you see the first two words of a post that begin like that. its somewhat neccissary when you are trying to figure out what to do in real life situations.
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#146585 - 02/21/06 04:51 PM Re: "What If?" [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
Demonika Offline


Registered: 02/21/06
Posts: 16
Loc: U.S.
I'm new here, so I'm going to jump in with my thought regarding "What If".

I find that question to be tangibly fruitless, true, but I also find it to be paramount to forethought.

One must exercise the available options within a controlled environment (the mind) to weigh out a viable direction one might choose to proceed. There's nothing wrong with pipe dreams unless nothing is done to pursue them.

The Be All/End All of Satanism is about bringing one's desires into fruition. I would be disappointed to find that (Satanic) people were running headlong into situations without regarding the consequences. This would seem like an uneducated disregard for the desired outcome. "What If" is a much needed question of the mind, yet its results should only further the construction of tangible outcomes.
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#146586 - 02/21/06 05:03 PM Re: "What If?" [Re: Demonika]
Hagen von Tronje Offline

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I don't suggest by a long shot that a Satanist should not question possible outcomes, what I suggest is that the only situations in which the outcomes ought to be considered are those with some relevance to reality.

Asking yourself what might happen if you take a certain course, or even applying it to situations outside yourself ("What if Iran develops nukes," for example) is useful.

Asking, "What if I were God, would you kiss my ass" is a stupid question.
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#146587 - 02/21/06 06:03 PM Re: "What If?" [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
Demonika Offline


Registered: 02/21/06
Posts: 16
Loc: U.S.
I agree, it would be stupid. If you were God, I would ONLY kiss your ass if it were a HOT ass. And then, you wouldn't even have to be a God at all! That was easy.
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#146588 - 02/22/06 11:24 AM Re: "What If?" [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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Registered: 11/15/05
Posts: 323
Loc: Kansas
Sometimes dealing in hypotheticals can really save your ass. Buying insurance for example. That's one big fat chunk of your paycheck that deals exclusively with the "what if" aspect of life. I see your point though. As long as the "what if" has to do with something pertinent that could actually happen (for example, a devastating car accident although most are just fender benders), it's a valid question to pose. If it has something to do with the Nazis coming to steal my goldfish, however, it's best not to waste valuable time pondering this query.

I had to put this Shel Silverstein Poem in here.


Last night as I lay thinking here,
Some Whatifs crawled inside my ear.
And pranced and partied all night long.
And sang their same old Whatif song:
Whatif I'm dumb in school?
Whatif they've closed the swimming pool?
Whatif I get beat up?
Whatif there's poison in my cup?
Whatif I start to cry?
Whatif I get sick and die?
Whatif I flunk that test?
Whatif green hair grows on my chest?
Whatif nobody likes me?
Whatif a bolt of lightning strikes me?
Whatif I don't grow tall?
Whatif my head starts getting smaller?
Whatif the fish won't bite?
Whatif the wind tears up my kite?
Whatif they start a war?
Whatif my parents get divorced?
Whatif the bus is late?
Whatif my teeth don't grow in straight?
Whatif I tear my pants?
Whatif I never learn to dance?
Everything seems swell, and then . . .
The nighttime Whatifs strike again!

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#146590 - 02/23/06 08:28 AM Re: "What If?" [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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Registered: 10/18/05
Posts: 581
Loc: Brighton, England
The problem, as I see it, with most "what ifs..." is they are either stupid questions, or so obscure and unlikely it is not possible (for me anyway) to answer in a true or realistic manner.
Hypotheticals like "What if you where attacked by a knife wealding maniac", or "What if you found an intruder in your Home", are for me, unless I've actually been in that exact same situation, impossible to answer - In most cases like these where an instant, instinctive response is necessary, and where there is no time for considered thought or reason, I ultimately do not know how I would react, it would all be down to the heat of the moment and how my 'fight or flight' instincts were fired up at that particular moment!
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