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#147179 - 02/22/06 01:30 PM What to do with a stalker! *DELETED*
Witch_Scarlet Offline

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#147180 - 02/22/06 01:41 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
Linguascelesta Offline

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Registered: 11/01/05
Posts: 2352
Loc: Europa
You are a CoS member, yes? When you get Downstairs, there is an entire forum devoted to personal privacy and security.

In the meantime, your friend seems to be taking every precaution. In terms of how far to go, whether to be pre-emptive in any way, that is a matter for the individual to decide, of course.

Should one "destroy him", as suggested in the 11th Satanic Rule of the Earth? How literally should one take this? As literal as one's own sense of self-preservation balanced against one's own desire to be a respectable (and thus respected) law-abiding citizen.

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#147181 - 02/22/06 01:48 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! *DELETED* [Re: Linguascelesta]
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#147182 - 02/22/06 01:52 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
Linguascelesta Offline

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Registered: 11/01/05
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I do not advocate any illegal action.

I will comment, however, on the existence of a saying: "It is better to be judged slowly by twelve men, than carried slowly by six".

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#147183 - 02/22/06 01:53 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
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When the stalker stays in the shadows and follows you where ever you go, even into cyber space and beyond. How would the Satanic Philosophy guide your hand in this matter?



If need be, I would fight.


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When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.



I avoid trouble if I am able, and in the vast majority of cases, I can. But if I cannot and no means of escape are possible, I will not wait to be a victim. Assume the role of a predator, and many times your prey will forever flee. If not, strike with calculated vengeance and with unfettered force.

Of course, this is my perspective given in broadest strokes. Fortunately, reality normally offers opportunities to reach a peaceful resolution, if only you look at the situation creatively enough.


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#147184 - 02/22/06 02:15 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
Svengali Offline
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There are elements of this story that sound like melodramatic bullshit, but that aside:

A. Take all reasonable precautions, including getting legal and law enforcement council - follow all recommended protocols - AND DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE DONE SO.

B. Do whatever you have to do to defend yourself.

If it comes to a lethal force situation - have DOCUMENTATION of EVERYTHING the other person did, and EVERYTHING you did as a precaution leading up to the situation.

File police reports (and keep copies) for EVERY "incident" involving the stalker.

Even states with the most Draconian anti-gun and anti-self defense laws have room for justifiable use of lethal force if you are "in fear of your life."

Remember the statement "I was in FEAR for my LIFE."

It is a very useful statement.

There are other points not suitable for the public forum.
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#147185 - 02/22/06 02:16 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
Assabrah Offline
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Registered: 01/17/05
Posts: 2062
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I am surrounded by two very large, strong, fearless men twenty-four hours a day. Yes, even on those rare occasions when I actually sleep, work, eat, go out in public or just sit at home reading a book. Where I go, they go.




All this for only one person harassing ?

If I was the stalker, I would take this as a challenge, this would encourage me more, and I would even feel someone important, seeing that I'm able to scare you more than anyone.

But it seems that too much informations have been spread, because apparently he knows how to catch you on internet then in the street ( just an example for the context), and here I'm a little bit puzzled.


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#147186 - 02/22/06 02:27 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! *DELETED* [Re: Svengali]
Witch_Scarlet Offline

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#147187 - 02/22/06 02:43 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
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It seems as if the situation has escalated to one of self-defense.

If it's well known that the person is being stalked and said person is capable of defending themselves, I'd advise a public confrontation. Plus, the extra support from bodyguards is a bonus. Although, if this route is chosen, I'd also suggest getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon so that if necessary, you can have the extra 'bargaining' incentive.

If the stalker posed an imminent physical threat, chances are that they would have acted before now. Sometimes, a confrontation is all that's needed to deter a stalker. However, if the confrontation becomes dangerous, the right to defend your life is always present.

I'd never advocate a confrontation if I didn't think it was necessary, however, from what you've said, it doesn't appear that the stalker is going to cease and desist anytime soon.

However, all this must be considered with expectation and acceptance of the possible consequences, which could also mean a forfeiture of life if no action is taken at all.


Edited by AmbientLogic (02/22/06 03:01 PM)
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#147188 - 02/22/06 02:43 PM hah! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
Assabrah Offline
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and the man is no stranger to her as he was once her lover




that was so sure, that's why I was puzzled when I read about the street, then internet.

My only advice : to be aware of the natural selection.
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#147189 - 02/22/06 04:13 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Poetaster]
Chess Offline
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Sometimes, a confrontation is all that's needed to deter a stalker.




That might be quite effective, if only there was normal psychology at work inside this guy's head.

Remember, we're not dealing with a rational person here. There's no such thing as a person who has an eccentric hobby (sitting outside a certain lady's house 20 hours a day, every day) but is otherwise okay in the head. This person cannot be reasoned with and we cannot expect him to act reasonably.

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If the stalker posed an imminent physical threat, chances are that they would have acted before now.




A threat doesn't have to be imminent to be real. It's not uncommon for stalkers who've been (quite nonviolently) doing the "lawn gnome" thing for years to suddenly snap, and murder the object of their attentions.

Lady Scarlet, in terms of practical advice for your friend, I can only echo Magister Svengali's sentiments: be ready for anything, and document the Hell out of everything.

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#147190 - 02/22/06 04:25 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Chess]
Poetaster Offline
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That might be quite effective, if only there was normal psychology at work inside this guy's head.

Remember, we're not dealing with a rational person here. There's no such thing as a person who has an eccentric hobby (sitting outside a certain lady's house 20 hours a day, every day) but is otherwise okay in the head. This person cannot be reasoned with and we cannot expect him to act reasonably.




Point taken and agreed with. Although, I still maintain that the chance is always there - albeit a small one.

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A threat doesn't have to be imminent to be real. It's not uncommon for stalkers who've been (quite nonviolently) doing the "lawn gnome" thing for years to suddenly snap, and murder the object of their attentions.




Again, I agree. Which is why I also suggested that no action at all could possibly result in the loss of a life.
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#147191 - 02/22/06 05:01 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
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I recommend that ya'll check out a book called "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker. It has a whole series of chapters on how to handle a stalker--as well as how not to!
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#147192 - 02/22/06 07:55 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
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Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 1414
Loc: Banana, Canada
The law can stop a stalker. It is harrassment. I had two stalkers so far, both ex boyfriends.

My first stalker just kept calling me and driving by my house whenever they could.

My recent stalker was more active, they followed me around cyber space wherever, posting defermating messages (stalkers don't have to admire you, they can be people who deeply hate you or are trying to ruin you for hurting them). They even went as far as to try get involved with the CoS heirarchy. This person has found out things about me and my friends and no one knows how. Really creepy, while doing this, he sent me love letters and romantic poetry. What I did was I called the local police and they set me up with a nice deal, they set it up through the univeristy though. What is being done is hes being made to sign a no contact agreement. Meaning if he so much as says 'hi' to me or talks about me to anyone, hes being academically punished. Depending on the breach of agreement it is either suspended for a term or expulsion. I could have had the police do something themselves, but that would have taken too long and I wanted this person to stop as soon as possible.

I kept all documents saved everything. Cell phone bills, emails, chat logs, msn conversations and witnessess to him harrassming me and stalking me.

As long as you have proof this person is being a problem, the law will do something. As soon as you say you feel threatened or that the person is interfering with your life, they will do something. Even if it isn't them doing it directly, they will set you up with something to deal with the problem.
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#147193 - 02/22/06 08:11 PM Re: What to do with a stalker! [Re: Witch_Scarlet]
Barb Offline

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You should definitely document everything, as Magister Svengali had said. Keeping track of what goes on provides you with proof for when you need it. You need to be prepared, and you need to be able to cover your ass.

In addition, to get rid of (or at least HELP get rid of) a stalker, I would attempt to change the way the stalker feels about you; make yourself feel like you are him telling himself that he doesn’t care to stalk you anymore, and really concentrate on that (he can say “uhh…watching her all the time is so boooring. What kind of life is that? I should get my own life instead of wasting away worrying about some girl who obviously doesn‘t like me anymore.”, or something).

I have never had any serious problems with anyone stalking me, but I can recall a minor one late in high school. There was a guy who liked me a lot and he kept calling me, even though I told him I would not go out with him. After visualizing that he didn't exist in my life and never did, he DID go away after a while. I have never heard from him or seen him since then.
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