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#147349 - 02/23/06 01:40 PM Words.
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I was in a conversation last night with a girl and she asked me why I am so soft spoken. Why don't I ever swear on a consistent rate. This was my response with a little bit more detail.

I find those who swear on such a consistent level do not sound very intelligent. They simply sound like street monkeys who seem to have very short vocabularies. It doesn't mean that I cancel these words out but it simply means I use them in the proper context and situation. I just can't stand those who use the word "fuck" 5 times in one sentence! There are so many words with such powerful descriptive uses that they are an awesome exibit of the human mind and imagination. It would be a waste of Lesser Magic to not utilize them.

If you aren't able to produce words from the english language then I suggest you pick up the dictionary and begin reading! The english dictionary houses thousands of words and is one of my personal favorite books. I would much rather sound like a well spoken individual than a moronic idiot in highschool.

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#147350 - 02/23/06 01:49 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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"I would much rather sound like a well spoken individual than a moronic idiot in high school."

Like, dude! I totally agree.
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#147351 - 02/23/06 02:13 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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Natcherly, bein' a staunch believer in a spot o' educashon fo' de young black kids, I is bin' hollerin' fo' dese teachers an' assorted misso'naries to be teachin' wot genrally called in Engaland de Queen's English.

Lotta damn vulgar language gittin' spoke all aroun' de worl' an' gittin' passed off as de normal figure of de speech, an' too many o' dese politikally correc' pussons pokin' in de conk into educashional affairs.

Some o' dese fuckers betta be watchin de necks, otherwise de heads gonna be gittin' separated fro' de shoulders.
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#147352 - 02/23/06 02:18 PM Re: Words. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Just have to love that sense of humor of yours, nothing quite like it!

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#147353 - 02/23/06 02:27 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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I know this has been done to death but...

http://www.nailmaster.ru/fuck.html
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#147354 - 02/23/06 03:20 PM Re: Words. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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You´re killing me. I can´t stop laughing! Brilliant.

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#147355 - 02/23/06 03:26 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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Well said!

I couldn't agree more.

I'm fucking serious.
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#147356 - 02/23/06 03:35 PM Re: Words. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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>I is bin' hollerin' fo' dese teachers an' assorted
>misso'naries to be teachin' wot genrally called in
>Engaland de Queen's English.

I don't know about Queen's English, but it sounds like you already know Queens English.
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#147357 - 02/23/06 04:31 PM Re: Words. [Re: Poetaster]
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#147358 - 02/23/06 05:35 PM Re: Words. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Oh Idi, you're such a card.

When will you be having another of your infamous dinner parties?
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#147359 - 02/23/06 05:38 PM Re: Words. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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#147360 - 02/23/06 05:39 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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In all things, moderation.

After all: As the proverb says, "Profanity is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers."

Or, another favorite: "Brevity is the soul of wit, shithead."
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#147361 - 02/23/06 05:39 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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Actaully there was a perfect example of the idea of swear or at least usual words one could easily use in place of common swear words to add more tact and style to one's vocabulary from Cloven Hoof Issue#129. The article is titled Gramarye: Magical Anarchronism. A highlight from the article.

" Dr. LaVey has written at some length about the power of ECI and time suspension. He's also written at least one article about using English as a secret language-archaic or obscure words that others would be unfamilair with. All of this ties into creating total environments and empowering yourself through isolation. Artists, "Bohemians", "free thinkers", have always distanced themselves from the mainstream in order to gain a clearer perspective on what they wish to portray about the world. It is also implied that they have been to the boundaries of human experience and it has marked them in some monstrous way, stripping them of the connection to humanity they once enjoyed. There are rarefied pockets in the world in which bold individuals seek to create anarchronistic environemnts for themselves."

"Speech is an easily-controlled supplement to anachronistic living. We get many letters, often from well-intentioned but uninformed would-be Satanists, often from Europe where they try to adopt American slang as a form of being hep, usually written in pen on lined paper, which run something like this: "Hey, Dark Brothers! I think the Chruch of Santan is fuckin' awesome!!!! I want you to send me all the fuckin' information you can so I can join the fuckin' fight to killing off all these fuckin' Chrisitans!!!!!!!! Jesus suks and I get sick of all these fuckers fuckin' with me. HAIL SATIN!!!!!

Source of information is from The Cloven Hoof Issue #129 page #27.

Note the misspellings and often the overuse of using common curse words. Which point out rudeness and a short sense of vocabulary and even individual style. The article goes on to list a rather long and detailed list of forgotten past slang terms that could easily be used in place even today of overused curse words. If you have access to Cloven Hoof issues reading this complete article is worth it. I just thought about this in a Cloven Hoof issue, while reading this thread I thought some highlights would come in hand. Some old day forgotten slang terms.


"For the Love of Mike"
"Well, Blow me down"
"Son of a Gun"
"Holy Moses"
"Heavens To Betsy"
"For Crying out loud"
"Leaping Lizards"
"Well, I'll be"


There are lots more over 140 phrases and old time slang words totally forgotten today, some still in use but not being used in proper contexts. Use the term "Jumping Lizards" or "Aw, Figs" in place of modern curse words and notice the looks you get when not resulting to everyday foul language usage. I am sure doing some digging might turn up interesting words, even with access to internet will reveal even more interesting phrases and slang words.


Edited by JayLucif (02/23/06 08:03 PM)
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#147362 - 02/23/06 05:50 PM Re: Words. [Re: gypsy]
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Well now that I know all the proper ways to use the word Fuck now I am fully prepared.
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#147363 - 02/23/06 06:08 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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As a friend of mine said about an idiot who lives down the hall, "You know how a lot of people use "um" or "like" as a filler? I think 'fuck' is his filler."

For me, it's about how words are used, and how often, and in what context. I don't mind someone who swears passionately, provided the rest of what they're trying to convey isn't utterly dumb, provided that an obscenity isn't every other word, and provided they could stop swearing or use proper language if they chose to or if the situation called for it.

But, constant swearing--as well as a few other verbal cues--act as red flags reading, 'I am an ineloquent numbnut with a limited imagination and an even more limited vocabulary."

But, swearing and slang in themselves aren't bad, and can be quite useful. I use all kinds of slang terms, mostly for funny emphasis.
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#147364 - 02/23/06 06:24 PM Re: Words. [Re: TrojZyr]
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True.

There is a time and place for every word. Cursing alone does not automatically deduct a few I.Q. points. A dumbass with a vocabulary is still a dumbass.

Yes, sometimes, there are no other words appropriate enough than curse words. Dammit.

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#147365 - 02/23/06 07:10 PM Re: Words. [Re: Bogey_Man]
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Im not really interested in how others percieve me unless Im doing something important, like a job interview. Otherwise, who really gives a fuck? The content of a thought is much more valuable than the presentation.
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#147366 - 02/23/06 07:42 PM Re: Words. [Re: uncleherpe]
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Like I said, there's a time and a place for everything. My stance, however, is to always stay presentable (or at least prepared) in public.

And I'm not saying everyone should be in suits when they go out. That would be stupid. But at least know that people are watching who may be able to give you some service along your way. In other words, don't act like a moron out in public.

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#147367 - 02/23/06 07:48 PM Re: Words. [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Natcherly, bein' a staunch believer in a spot o' educashon fo' de young black kids, I is bin' hollerin' fo' dese teachers an' assorted misso'naries to be teachin' wot genrally called in Engaland de Queen's English.

Lotta damn vulgar language gittin' spoke all aroun' de worl' an' gittin' passed off as de normal figure of de speech, an' too many o' dese politikally correc' pussons pokin' in de conk into educashional affairs.

Some o' dese fuckers betta be watchin de necks, otherwise de heads gonna be gittin' separated fro' de shoulders.




Poddun me sah, djew kiss yo' momma wit dat mouf o' yo's?
A niggah bettah tawk righ if he 'spectin to cunduck himsef as a proppuh eggzampuh fo' ahr chillrins. Mommas ah gonna fin' dout
when de chillrin come home an tell they daddeh to "pass dat muthaf---en cone bred" when de' momma ahredy hafta buss up they daddeh fo' his filfy mouf. Mommas dont need no punk-asses wit filfy moufs runnin 'roun hollerin' dat they lookin out fo' ahr chillrins edjacashun when they cain't tawk righ in de firs place.

Momma gonna have her eye on you, sah. An she not afraid tuh dirty up anotha fryin pan on yo punk-ass.

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#147368 - 02/23/06 07:51 PM Re: Words. [Re: uncleherpe]
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The content of a thought is much more valuable than the presentation.




I'm not so sure I would agree with that. If the presentation is too odd or offensive, the recipient of your thought might never get to the thought, they might be distracted by your presentation. Ever wear slightly revealing clothing, or a clown suit, and try to have a professional conversation?
Just a thought.


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#147369 - 02/23/06 08:35 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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From my own obervation, what words are used and those that are not used, is irrelevant. It may vary at times due to circumstances. Words can be used wastefully or with exact craftmanship. The most effective use of words, is the use of those that get your point across.

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#147370 - 02/23/06 10:39 PM Re: Words. [Re: dragondancer]
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Quote:

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The content of a thought is much more valuable than the presentation.




I'm not so sure I would agree with that. If the presentation is too odd or offensive, the recipient of your thought might never get to the thought, they might be distracted by your presentation. Ever wear slightly revealing clothing, or a clown suit, and try to have a professional conversation?
Just a thought.


Hail Satan!




that doesnt really take away from the importance of an idea or message, it takes away from the credibility of the person presenting the idea. As long as people get their point across I am happy.
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#147371 - 02/24/06 11:53 AM Re: Words. [Re: dragondancer]
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Indeed. Content of thought is indeed the most important thing, but if your presentation is so bad, odd, or off-putting that no one will want to look at your content, then it doesn't matter if you were "right."
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#147372 - 02/24/06 11:53 AM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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I was in a conversation last night with a girl and she asked me why I am so soft spoken. Why don't I ever swear on a consistent rate. This was my response with a little bit more detail.



Some people don't like those words. Some do. (I'm one that likes them). To each his own.

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I find those who swear on such a consistent level do not sound very intelligent. They simply sound like street monkeys who seem to have very short vocabularies.



Ooh. Ouch. That was my pride. Unintelligent street monkey, with a (gulp) small vocabulary, huh? You really don't need those words to be mean and vulgar, do you?

A creative juxtaposition of the two forms of language is my favored route.

"The ending of that movie was fucking anticlimactic."

"I need some fucking consumable provisions. I'm goddamn famished."

"This piece of shit is downright unsavory, not to mention fucking desiccated."

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It doesn't mean that I cancel these words out but it simply means I use them in the proper context and situation. I just can't stand those who use the word "fuck" 5 times in one sentence!



That is a bit excessive. I agree. There's a time and a place for this, and it's called the bar.

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There are so many words with such powerful descriptive uses that they are an awesome exibit of the human mind and imagination. It would be a waste of Lesser Magic to not utilize them.



True. I like to use those big words too. I like to mix the profanity into the deal too though. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with not using the "dirty words" either. Like I said, there's a time and a place for all this.

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If you aren't able to produce words from the english language then I suggest you pick up the dictionary and begin reading!




I actually used to do that when I was a kid. I used to read the dictionary word for word. I'd write down the words I really liked, and I'd remember them. I still have a list of words (they're computerized now for easy access) that I like. I'm kind of a jargon geek.

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The english dictionary houses thousands of words and is one of my personal favorite books. I would much rather sound like a well spoken individual than a moronic idiot in highschool.





I like to combine the two. Well-spoken individual + moronic idiot in highschool = Well spoken moronic idiot in college. Sounds like me.

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#147373 - 02/24/06 12:07 PM Re: Words. [Re: Unknown]
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Disgracefully bad use of language is one of the several reasons that I found school (particularly high school) so unbearable and consequently dropped out. Listening to an average specimen of a classmate for more than five seconds made we want to reach out and crush their larynx.

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Im not really interested in how others percieve me unless Im doing something important, like a job interview. Otherwise, who really gives a fuck? The content of a thought is much more valuable than the presentation.




I have to agree with dragondancer and TrojZyr on this point. No one is going to want to open a box that is clearly marked "DOG SHIT".

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#147374 - 02/24/06 01:12 PM Re: Words. [Re: Maya]
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More like, people aren't going to open a box of gold that has dog shit smeared all over it.

I mean, yeah, sometimes you will do the best you can to be presentable, and people still won't appreciate or get your ideas. Sometimes, people are just stupid and lazy, no matter what lesser magic techniques you think to try. Drives me nuts, but there you go.

There's one person on another posting board I go to who ALWAYS drools, "What?" (followed by a confused emoticon) in response to practically every board in-joke or every post that isn't just one sentence long. That person is stupid. There's no need to pander to that person, because the good posters there have done everything they can to write clear, eloquent posts, so the ball is totally in the idiot's court.

But, if you actually want your ideas to be received, you can't expect that people *should* just naturally see the inner brilliance of your point, even if your point is buried underneath a lot of slang, bad language, weird jargon, unnecessary 50 cent words, bad grammar, confusing format, etc. People *should* do a lot of things that they don't do in the end.

If you really, truly don't want to have to change anything, and if compromise is non-negotiable, then you have to face the fact that maybe your audience will be small. There's always some kind of trade-off.
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#147375 - 02/24/06 08:09 PM Re: Words. [Re: TrojZyr]
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Incidentally, I've found that what pisses me off the most is the overuse of the word "like," and when people end every sentence with an up-tone, as if it's a question. So I went to her house? And we had popcorn? And we watched a movie?

Likewise, when someone's tone doesn't change or alternate enough, it can get on my nerves, but making every sentence sound like a question is one of the worst sins.
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#147376 - 02/24/06 09:43 PM Re: Words. [Re: TrojZyr]
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You mean like, when you go to the rest-room and stuff? and like, everyone just like, can´t let you go? without like, stopping you half the way? to like, ask questions?

If you think it is bad in the US: you would not like Scotland very much, Ms. Troj. -- except for the "like".. you´d be safe enough from those in Scotland.

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#147377 - 02/24/06 10:11 PM Re: Words. [Re: Satanya]
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I don't mind the British-style questioning tone, "Lovely weather we're having?," incidentally. I'm talking about the teenagery self-doubt wavery tone that is unfortunately not limited to teens.

Oh, in that case, I'd probably kill someone in Scotland. When I really mean to go to the restroom, I want people to back off and let me go. Or I shall piss on someone's foot.
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#147378 - 02/24/06 10:35 PM Re: Words. [Re: TrojZyr]
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British speaking tones can be compartmentalized.

The English don´t emphasize sentences with tones out of context.

The Irish & the Welsh hardly communicate without exclamative tones.

The Scottish will inquire, where no questions lie -- resembling the tones of the Great Unwashed of today´s America.

You may go to the rest-room now, lady... I´d hate to be pissed on; not my heels.

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#147379 - 02/24/06 11:41 PM Re: Words. [Re: Maya]
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I dont think cussing is a big deal... however, when people try to use words that they dont know the meanings of I find it much more embarrassing for them. Or the complete disregard for grammar, 'where you be?' type of stuff.
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#147380 - 02/25/06 12:02 PM Re: Words. [Re: TrojZyr]
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More like, people aren't going to open a box of gold that has dog shit smeared all over it.




Even better.

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#147381 - 02/28/06 03:13 PM Re: Words. [Re: Bogey_Man]
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Like I said, there's a time and a place for everything. My stance, however, is to always stay presentable (or at least prepared) in public.






This is exactly what I think is important.

You never want to lower your standards of presentation but you also want to blend in so that you can move as a true predator among the herd in silence. It's important to remain as a master to the slave and I think you need to remain several steps above the average way of thinking to do that.

Indeed, a good vocabulary does not make a person intelligent but I think it requires a paramount understanding to utilize them in a way to get exactly what you want. Which does require some kind of street smarts.
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#147382 - 02/28/06 03:14 PM Re: Words. [Re: JayLucif]
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Well thank you for sharing this as it was a most enjoyable read and contribution .
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