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#147467 - 02/23/06 09:28 PM Self Defence For Women And Children
DeLamar_J Offline


Registered: 04/16/05
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Loc: Ohio
Great article from martialtalk.com. Thought I'd share.
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If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail
lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy.
The driver won't see you but everybody else will. This has saved lives.



(1.) The three reasons women are easy targets for random acts of
violence are:

(a.) Lack of Awareness: You MUST know where you are & what's going on
around you.

(b.) Body Language: Keep your head up, swing your arms, stand straight up.

(c.) Wrong Place, Wrong Time: DON'T walk alone in an alley, or drive in a
bad neighborhood at night.

(2.) Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating,
working, etc., and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list,
etc.).
DON'T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect
opportunity for him to get in the passenger side, put a gun to your head,
and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS
AND LEAVE.

(a.) A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking
garage: Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger
side floor, and in the back seat.

(b.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger
door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their
vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.

(c.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the
passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car,
you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman
to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (Better
paranoid than dead.)

(3.) ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are
horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot).

(a.) Do not get on an elevator if there is a weirdo already on there.
(Of course bad men don't always look bad).

(b.) Do not stand back in the corners of the elevator; be near the front,
by the doors, ready to get off or on.

(c.) If you get on the elevator on the 25th floor, and the Boogie Man gets
on the 22nd, get off when he gets on and wait for another elevator.

(4) If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS
RUN!

(a.) Police make only 4 of 10 shots when they are in range of 3-9
feet. This is due to stress.

(b.) The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times.
And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN!

(5.) As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT! It may get
you raped, or killed.

(a.) Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good looking, well-educated man,
who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with
a cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his vehicle or with his

vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.

(b.) Pat Malone told us the story of his daughter, who came out of the mall
and was walking to her car when she noticed 2 older ladies in front of
her. Then she saw a police car come towards her with cops who said
hello. She also noticed that all 8 handicap spots in the area were
empty. As she neared her car she saw a man a few rows over calling to her
for help. He wanted her to close his passenger side door. He was sitting
in the driver's side, and said he was handicapped. He continued calling,
until she turned and headed back to the mall, and then he began cursing at
her. In the meantime, she wondered why he didn't ask the 2 older
ladies, or
the policeman for help, and why he was not parked in any of the empty
handicap
spots. As she got back to the mall, two male friends of hers were exiting,
and as she told them the story, and turned to point at the car, the man was
in the back seat, and quickly moved back to the front and sped away.

(6.). Tips to saving your life, if you have gotten into a violent
situation:

(a.) REACT IMMEDIATELY. If he abducts you in a parking lot, and is taking
you to an abandoned area, DON'T LET HIM GET YOU TO THAT AREA. If you are
driving, react immediately in the situation, and crash your car while still
going 5 mph. If he's driving, find the right time, and stick your fingers
in his eyes. He must watch the road, so choose an unsuspecting time, and
gouge him. It is your ONLY defense. While he is in shock, GET OUT.
(This sounds gross, but the alternative is your fault if you do not act.)

(b.) RESIST. Don't go along with him: run, if you are able: DON'T EVER
GIVE UP! You DO NOT want to get to a crime scene.

(7.) Always keep your distance when walking past strangers on the street or
in dark areas.

(8.) BREAK DOWNS: Make every effort to avoid this by ALWAYS keeping your
car in good working order.

(a.) If your car breaks down and you have a cell phone: LOCK YOUR DOORS.
Then call for help.

(b.) If it's noon on a business day in a populated area, you may want to
put your hazards on and walk to safety.

(c.) If it's 2am near a populated area, put on your warm clothes, and walk
to a lighted area. You are a perfect target if you are sitting in your car
when it's broken down. Predators search the highways for easy targets like
you.

(d.) If you're on a desolate road: walk away from the car (in your warm
clothes) and go to some bushes, or some area AWAY from your vehicle. It
will be cold, and uncomfortable, but you DO NOT want to stay in your car,
and there are no psycho bogeymen waiting in the bushes who just knew you
were going to break down there and then.

(9.) Physical defenses that we can use against the violent predator:

(a.) The EYES are the most vulnerable part of the body. Poke him there.
HARD. It may be your only window of opportunity.

(b.) The neck is also a vulnerable spot, but you MUST know where to grip,
AND HAVE THE STRENGTH to cut off his breath.

(c.) The last place is the KNEES. Everyone's knees are very vulnerable,
and a swift kick here will take anyone down.

-- A cautionary note about these things. If you do not do these things
right the first time, you are in trouble, because it will only anger the
individual, and that anger will be TAKEN OUT ON YOU. I'm not saying don't
attempt them (it may be your only hope), but be forceful when you do.

(10.) If you are walking alone in the dark (which you shouldn't be) and you
find him following/chasing you:

(a.) Scream "FIRE!", and not, "Help!". People don't want to get involved
when people yell "help," but "fire" draws attention because people are
nosy.

(b.) RUN!

(c.) Find an obstacle, such as a parked car, and run around it, like Ring
Around the Rosie. This may sound silly, but over the years, 5 women have
told Pat Malone that this SAVED THEIR LIVES.

(d.) Your last hope is getting under the car. Once you are under there,
there are tons of things to hold on to, and he will not be able to get you
out unless he comes under after you (which makes it easier for you to
escape or fend him off). Usually they give up by this point. The catch
here is that YOU MUST PRACTICE GETTING UNDER THE CAR. You must have a plan
(he will have one); know if you will be going on your back, front, from the
side or back of the car. It must be practiced.

(11.) Never let yourself or anyone that you know be a "closer" in any type
of business (bar, store, restaurant, gas station). Pat knew Danielle, who
was a girl that just died from being shot pointblank by some kids while she
was closing at the local gas station. He talked with her the night before
she died, and asked whether it ever scared her to close alone.
She said yes, but said, "I'll be all right, Pat. I'll be all right." She
wasn't.

Our world is not as safe as we pretend that it is, and living in our
fantasy worlds WILL get us in trouble, sooner or later. Pat Malone said,
again and again, that the women who die EVERY MINUTE from violent crime
expected to go to bed tonight, and get up tomorrow = No one expects it, we
must but be prepared and be aware so that we HAVE A PLAN. BE PREPARED TO
ACT! AND ACT HARD! HAVE A PLAN!

I would encourage you to pass this on to all women, not just your friends
and family, but everybody. We all need to hear it.
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#147468 - 02/23/06 09:50 PM Re: Self Defence [Re: DeLamar_J]
Nemo Offline
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Registered: 10/06/02
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Loc: Point Nemo s48:52:31:748, w123...
When stopping behind another vehicle be certain you can see the bottoms of their back tires. This leaves you sufficient room to maneuver in the event of an attempted car jacking.

Quote:

(a.) Police make only 4 of 10 shots when they are in range of 3-9 feet. This is due to stress.




Not true. It is due to the training of police in inferior shooting techniques. Those who train in Fairbairn's combat-proven WWII pistol methods have an incredibly higher score.

However this being almost a "lost art" with civilians means that the advice to run is still very wise.

I would also add that you need to work out in advance what you will do with others (spouse, children) in the event of an assault. Usually the best ideas is for everyone to run in different directions and to call 911 asap. This runs counter to what most people will do intuitively (wife stays to try and defend husband - both get killed) so try to work out some plan that is likely to actually be followed.

Church members might consider the SIG devoted to this issue.

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#147469 - 02/23/06 10:42 PM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: DeLamar_J]
uncleherpe Offline


Registered: 03/22/05
Posts: 499
Quote:






(1.) The three reasons women are easy targets for random acts of
violence are:

(a.) Lack of Awareness: You MUST know where you are & what's going on
around you.







what the hell is that supposed to imply? Am I too concerned with my hairdo or what i will make for dinner to be aware?


the whole article had a lot of stupid bullshit in regards to women. ugh.
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#147470 - 02/23/06 10:48 PM Re: Awareness. [Re: uncleherpe]
Nemo Offline
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Registered: 10/06/02
Posts: 12558
Loc: Point Nemo s48:52:31:748, w123...
Most people live in a state of trance. They drive cars in a trance. They walk across streets in a trance. They seldom if ever wake up unless they are in acute pain ... and then it is usually too late.

They are not aware of where they are and what they are doing.

I am not clear about what you did not agree with in regard to women in that article but lack of awareness kills more people every day than disease or wars.

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#147471 - 02/23/06 10:57 PM Re: Awareness. [Re: Nemo]
uncleherpe Offline


Registered: 03/22/05
Posts: 499
Quote:

Most people live in a state of trance. They drive cars in a trance. They walk across streets in a trance. They seldom if ever wake up unless they are in acute pain ... and then it is usually too late.

They are not aware of where they are and what they are doing.

I am not clear about what you did not agree with in regard to women in that article but lack of awareness kills more people every day than disease or wars.





the article is supposed to be for women and children- when it said women are targeted for lack of awareness I assumed they meant it was a woman specific condition. I may be wrong... the article isnt very well written....eh. I guess I dont agree with my original statement as much as before. I cant really decide if that was the original intent of the authors statement.
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#147472 - 02/24/06 12:08 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: DeLamar_J]
tovasshi Offline


Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 1415
Loc: Banana, Canada
Men, not women or children, are more likely to be victims of random acts of violence.

And most rapes are done by people close to you. You are more likely to be hit by lightning twice than to be raped by a stranger.

A lot of the things on this list are a just a wee bit too much.

They should make a list of warning signs of people close to you.
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#147473 - 02/24/06 12:43 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: DeLamar_J]
IX Von ZehEhv Offline

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Registered: 12/29/05
Posts: 708
Regardless of what the article said about women, or how well it was written, there are some good points to be taken irrespective of gender. People are not only unaware, but also naive to what can happen. ie "It won't happen to me".

Be aware and be prepared.
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#147474 - 02/24/06 12:47 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: DeLamar_J]
Hagen von Tronje Offline

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Registered: 06/28/01
Posts: 10123
To me, it's simple:

Women need a gun more than anyone. Women, as an average (NOTE: as an average!) are physically smaller than men and will nearly always lose a hand-to-hand confrontation assuming a man and woman of average builds. Fancy kung-fu probably won't cut it; as Magister Svengali has pointed out, it usually comes down to brute strength.

Women ought to have a weapon, whether it's a firearm or chemical spray.

Women are also more likely targets of rape and robbery, making their need all the more dire.

A gun levels the playing field immediately. A unarmed, strapping brute will probably lose to an armed yet diminutive woman.

Ladies: Don't leave home without it!
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#147475 - 02/24/06 02:53 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
IX Von ZehEhv Offline

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That's a good point LeviathanXIII, especially regarding more common targeting of females. In different countries, however, a different approach is necessary. In Australia handguns cannot be carried, neither can a chemical spray. Knives are also in the same boat. Essentially, all a woman can have is her wits and preparation.

Awareness and preparation are tools that can be carried to any situation or country as necessary. (And yes, it may mean avoiding certain situations (or even countries haha))
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#147476 - 02/24/06 06:42 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: uncleherpe]
DeLamar_J Offline


Registered: 04/16/05
Posts: 124
Loc: Ohio
Quote:

Quote:






(1.) The three reasons women are easy targets for random acts of
violence are:

(a.) Lack of Awareness: You MUST know where you are & what's going on
around you.







what the hell is that supposed to imply? Am I too concerned with my hairdo or what i will make for dinner to be aware?


the whole article had a lot of stupid bullshit in regards to women. ugh.


All women are not like you. By the way you took offence, I can tell you think of this type of advice as common knowledge, but alot of people dont.
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#147477 - 02/24/06 08:36 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: IX Von ZehEhv]
DarkApollyon Offline
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Registered: 10/18/05
Posts: 581
Loc: Brighton, England
Quote:

Essentially, all a woman can have is her wits and preparation.





This is why I think it is especially good for women and children to learn at least basic self defense, or take a few grades in a martial art like Taekwondo or Karate (even more so in a country like the UK where you are severely restricted by law to what you can carry weapon-wise).

Not only do you learn how to kick and punch effectively, you also learn grappling and release techniques, as well as sparring skills. Being able to practice these on people who are bigger and stronger than you is invaluable, as women and kids will usually be attacked by someone who is.
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#147478 - 02/24/06 09:25 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: DarkApollyon]
IX Von ZehEhv Offline

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Agreed. Also basic security awareness should be 'taught' in schools, and made more available. There tends to still be an ignorance about personal security, perhaps education could be part of the solution.
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#147479 - 02/24/06 09:36 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: IX Von ZehEhv]
Hagen von Tronje Offline

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In countries with a totalitarian take on weapons, I suggest women get a nice, big collection of keys. A wad of keys sticking from between your knuckles will make even a brushing blow very dangerous, especially if you hit an eye.

Obviously my advice is subject to legalities, but the point remains: women should never fight fair.
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#147480 - 02/24/06 09:49 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
crackergirl Offline


Registered: 11/15/05
Posts: 323
Loc: Kansas
I like the idea of carrying that gun with me. I had a CWP when I lived in Texas. Then I get to KS, and surprisingly enough, it's a FEMALE governor who has consistently vetoed every CWP bill proposed to her. I've got to make do with good old fashioned pepper spray, I guess. Another trick a chick can use to stay safe is to call someone on her cell right before she gets out into a dark parking lot. I always call my mama. Criminals usually shy away from women who are talking on the phone because they realize the person on the other end might be able to hear them, and will probably know where the victim is. If you don't have keyless entry on your car, make sure you have your keys ready before you get to your car, and make sure you LOCK YOUR DOORS WHETHER YOU'RE IN YOUR CAR OR NOT. That's very important. My doors lock automatically when I put my truck or my car in gear, but I always lock them as soon as I get in anyway, just incase someone creeps up on me while I'm buckling my seat belt. I'm a paranoid person, and I think that's a good quality to have in this case since I've never been raped, and, obviously, I've never been murdered.

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#147481 - 02/24/06 11:11 AM Re: Self Defence For Women And Children [Re: tovasshi]
uncleherpe Offline


Registered: 03/22/05
Posts: 499
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And most rapes are done by people close to you. You are more likely to be hit by lightning twice than to be raped by a stranger.

A lot of the things on this list are a just a wee bit too much.

They should make a list of warning signs of people close to you.





^^^that is so completely true. Hardly anyone is stranger raped, so carrying a gun probably wouldnt do much good. If old uncle tom knew you had a firearm to protect yourself from him Im sure there would be a lot of offense taken. Makes for some akward dates too....

I repark my car during lunch so that its super close to the entrance when I leave, and basically try to prevent anything bad happening. Ive had to go through some pretty bad parts of town alone, and just try to plan where I would go if something bad happened, try to stay aware of how close people are near by, etc. Im really not the ass kickin type.
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