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#171802 - 06/20/06 12:18 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: The_Lightning]
Myster_Tale Offline


Registered: 06/17/06
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I assume many Satanists had repetitive dreams about witch-hunts.. (Getting chased by beings that are out to exterminate you because you are different)…Is this assumption correct?




False, as far as I'm concerned. I, for one, do not recall a single dream about witch-hunts or even being chased by angry mobs. I did, however, had a few dreams about chasing something (usually a car), I don't remember them well, though.
What brought you to this assumption?

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And how about Satanic dreams?




Just what would qualify as a Satanic dream, in your opinion?

My dreams are usually of the twisted or surreal type.
Something that's interesting me about dreams lately is that since I was about 12 I've experienced events in dreams that later took place in my real life.
I'm not sure what to make of it. Since I've had many of these dreams so I don't dismiss them as just a freaky coincidence, I came to my mother with these dreams and she told me that she believes that the human mind has many abilities and potential that isn't yet explored.
I agree, I don't think of myself or of anyone else who might have dreams like that as a "prophet" or a "psychic" or anything like that. I think this is simply an example of things not yet fully explored by science (like that recently-discovered cave here in Israel). I keep an open - yet doubtful - mind about that subject.

About Tarot, I have much experience with it, since high-school. I am, however, skeptic about it. Basically, the reader "asks" the cards a question and the cards are suppose to clarify and shed light on things hidden from the reader. However, as the tarot cards are a collection of images open to free interpretation and there are indeed hundreds of books and writers claiming completely different interpretations of the same cards - it is too open to be considered a solid and reliable source of information of any kind.

You sit in front of the cards and see what you want to see or interpret something that relates to your position. I can do the same going out and taking random picutres, then interpreting them as divination of the future or something like that.

On the other hand I've had too many "coincidences" (or not?) with these cards to dismiss as simple folly. I admit that I did not yet explore Jung's or any qualified Psychologist's opinions concerning the possiblity of their [the Tarot's] use as symbolic tools to explore the subconcious.
Though this is an interesting topic.

They do, however, have many uses in Lesser Magic. As an enhancement of Greater Magic or simply a tool to influence those who do believe it works, as TattooedKali said.

Whichever, I keep myself skeptic yet open-minded about this topic.

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The story of how I got it is a great story by itself, but I'm not sure anyone would be interested.




I'd like to read about it.
And I understand other will, too. You can, of course, PM me the story if you still think it won't interest anyone (though you could just post it and anyone not really interested will simply ignore, I have a feeling it would be clearer in Hebrew - no offense to your English skills, of course! )

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#171803 - 06/20/06 12:27 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: Quaark]
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Thank you very much, kind sir, I appreciate your help regarding this matter. Much appreciated.
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#171804 - 06/20/06 12:53 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: LightSnake]
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It seemed I found the needle in the haystack =P

Just sit right down on the floor, and demand, "What's up!?!".
=D fantastic!! I shall try that some time (=
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#171805 - 06/20/06 01:02 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: Myster_Tale]
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I just had someone PM me in privet about those sort of dreams- it seems you are not the only one here experiencing them.
Who knows.. Cabalists say time travel is possible through dreams.
I think that quantum physics prove the everything is possible in some weird way.. Who knows, perhaps we are all trapped in an infinite "time loop".

And as for the other question:
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Because after all we all have our similarities as well- we are all outsiders and suspicious of other human beings (because we all believe that humans are basically the cruelest of all animals) and I also assumed many of us got negative intention for the "herd". Therefore- I assumed many Satanists would have witch-hunt dreams.
But, of course- it is only an assumption.





I'll post the story you asked for in a short while, it is a lot of writing.
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#171806 - 06/20/06 01:16 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: The_Lightning]
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Registered: 06/18/06
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Dreams, a great subject and interest of mine.

My dreams vary as far as subject matter. Mostly they are combat related dreams. I Have been a POW, shot many times, died (that bulloney of dying in your dreams and really dying hasn't (obviously) happened to me.

My dreams are very lucid and almost always from the 1st person point of view. In my dreams I do and react exactly as I would in my awoken state. Sometimes my dreams are so intense they stick with me for years, sometimes my dreams are hard to distinguish as to whether or not the event in the dream actually happened.

If I do have a nightmare, it is not a REM/ deep sleep dream (nightmare). I have what is known as sleep paralysis. I am dead awake. I cannot move, but I can sometimes utter a word loud enough to attract my wife's attention so she can move my body and give me the availability to get out of bed.

The sleep paralysis is a very scary event. Sometimes it is like having an "out of body" experience, esp if I just let it go and see where the fear will take me. But most often I find things most often only able to be described by viewing some of the things found on the movie site for The Ring. These visions are very strange, but not scary, like a person with a Xiantic faith might see them as a burden of faith, or quite possibly a fortelling of the future.

I enjoy talking about my dreams esp the adventurous ones. I don't believe in the psychology of dream interpretation.

Also as I write this and scroll up to read what I have written, I seem to have dreams that pertain to the things I am most focused on in life also. (Though the combat mission dreams almost seem like a "deprogramming" of a past memory).

Like right now I am training for triathlons, this is a 3 part sport that requires you to swim for a distance, immediately get on a bike and ride for a distance and then run for a distance. My goal is to make it to Kona, Hawaii.

That event is named "Ironman" - it involves a 2.4 mile (3.86 kilometer) swim (across Kailua Kona Bay), followed by a 112 mile (180.2 kilometer) bike ride (from Keauhou to Hawi and back), and a 26.2 mile (42.2 kilometer) marathon along the coast of the Big Island (from Keauhou to Keahole Point to Kailua Kona). I dream of speed and the wind all the time... almost like an indian visionary dream.

Those are the best.

One of the best way I have found to sleep and dream well is to make sure you are comfortable, not hot and have not eaten at least 3 hours before bed, esp a meal high in protien or spicy. Visualization and deep breathing can help with better relaxation, but most often the really crazy dreams come later on near the morning (or whenever you are nearing wake up time).

The greatest challenge is to to try to fight your dreams, become them while inside. Unless you are prone to hurting others or sleep walking you should be fine. And if at all possible stay away from sleep medications such as Ambien. I do take 2 Clonidine to help me sleep and if I experience vivid sleep paralysis I get up have a gulp of water, walk around and then take 10mg of valium.

**Note I do not condone the use of any drugs in my body.. but because of the intensity of my dreams, the sleep paralysis and my military background I have been perscribed these medicines by the Veteran's Administration in the USA.

Without being a "psycho" analyst, doctor of any kind I would note that from experience and from talking with others that nightmares can be caused from your lifestyle, fear and loathing or a misunderstandable issue in your life. If you find yourself stressed most of your waking day, this will certainly (must add sometimes) manifest in a bad night's rest.

Finally, around 06/18/06 I had a dream. It was a fantastic 3 part dream.(I will get to this later) In my past I had done things that I felt where rebelious in nature (well they were) towards the Xiatan belief system.

From burning pages of the bible while saying the Xian Lord's prayer backwards. To actually making a personal pact with the devil (in my mind I was selling my soul for freedom and happiness) (though strangely since that time, I have been always happy and felt free). I did not do any of these things as a teaching from any book or person's idea in my life. It was just how I felt.

For years I suffered with the guilt that I had committed a major mistake and as I ping - ponged back and forth between Xian faith to just forgetting religion all together... wondering how I would be judged, things worked out. I would say I have an above average life. But I have nobody to thank but myself and my family and my strong will to succeed under any circumstances.

The biggest thing I have learnt in life so far, is to always be careful for what you ask or wish for. You can pray all you want... as a Xian, but god will not reach down with his out stretched arm and save you from a loathsome, decietful and self destructive life that put you in a position to beg for some entity to cleanse you after you realized you F**ked up.

For instance a simple thing to take a heedful warning about wishes and desires are you will always get more then what you asked for. Or in most cases nothing at all. In my experience it boils down to focus and imagery. But say you wish everyday for a long life... people do it all the time.. but they live a long life and then sit in their hospital beds paralyzed... living a long life. With the good always comes the bad. That is the challenge of life.

OK..phew sorry.. I turn a simple thread into an activity workshop for myself. Send all complaints too: (Spelling complaints will be ignored) Lol

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So... this dream.. this 3 part dream I had the first part was the past. In the past I sat in first person view on a beach over looking the horizon towards the east. The visualization and the colors where a silverish, almost amber color.. not your normal sunrise. This was my past.. and as the sun rose and I was shown that I had made the right choice for me and that segment of the dream seemed to go on forever, but patience paid off. The feeling I was given was a present. The present was that the things I did in the past were not wrong and there was nobody to judge me, but myself. I walked into the water..

The 2nd part was the present. In the present I was shown that on the right side my Xian beliefs were tormenting me. I saw decay in society, I saw suffering and insulting stupidity, caused by selfish and selfless people who hide in a herd of mental self destruction.

Suddenly I parted from this herd and I became my own God if you must. I became me, with no strings attached.. no guilt and a finishing note that I had my life, it was mine now and there would be obstacles but they would only be challenges.

Finaly, the 3rd part of my dream, this was the future. My future was a vast wilderness of serenity and peace. The kind of peace a warrior might feel visiting a battle ground many years later after having survived the most horrific ordeals in life... it was up to me to survive without the burden of other people's control... Operation mind crime.

Then I awoke almost in tears... I am proud to be a Satanist, to be one with myself. I feel sorry for those who live life expecting that no matter what they do, even if they do nothing in life at all.. they are in the Xian churchs' eyes sinners.. Xians are the ultimate sin, birth is the ultimate sin, for they have been created in thier God's eye and in their belief system tells them that no matter what, they will be granted ever lasting love and peace with thier god and this "Judgement Day" or apocalyptic scenero all the believers and redempted Xians will be welcomed into the gates of Heaven.

I really would hate the idea of wearing white all the time and strumming a harp! Esp when the party is downstairs!
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P.S. I am sorry for tormenting the educated and well written people found amongst these forums. I try to spell check every word that looks out of place, but the length of my posts sometimes makes it difficult to make sure everything is neat and tidy. I just hope that if I have used improper grammar or spelling that you can over look that and see the story itself. In fact a good portion of the time when I hit the "Ok, submit" button it takes a little while to get back to the forum, in fact I sometimes fear that all was lost!
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#171807 - 06/20/06 01:25 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: The_Lightning]
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I think that quantum physics prove the everything is possible in some weird way.




No, it does not.

Sloppy misrepresentations of quantuum physics in "popular science books" suggest that.

No working physicist I've talked to has ever come close to thinking what I've quoted above.

The indeterminism present at the quantuum level is not directly transferable to larger scales of magnitude.
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#171808 - 06/20/06 01:36 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: The_Lightning]
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Registered: 05/31/06
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Nazi Esotericism is a fascinating matter. It showes a whole new aspect to the horrors of the Nazi ideology. I actually got interested with the subject by exposure to it in a Theistic-Satanism site (which is kinda odd 'cus Nazism to Satanism is like a tree to a car, the two are not even dual in nature). I was supposed to visit the wretched Wewelsburg Castle this summer, wherein Himmler and his 12 SS "Knights" conducted Occult seremonies and bitched about the Jews. It gonna have to wait another year. Hope it won't get demolished (again) and I'll miss it like I missed the Black House.
Hitler was a splendid norator- it's a known fact. But it's also being said that Hitler went to a professional in order that the later will teach him "to walk the walk in adittion to the talk"- means that he taught him movements that influenced the public.
The color of red in the whole propoganda is not coincidental- it's the reddish color of mars, the planet symbolizing war, manhood, prospirity.
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#171809 - 06/20/06 01:39 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: The_Lightning]
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Registered: 06/17/06
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Cabalists say time travel is possible through dreams.




Mekubalim also say that there is reincarnation and a biblical God overseeing everything. Besides, just what qualification, experience and evidence do mekubalim have that they can back up these frivolous claims?

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#171810 - 06/20/06 01:46 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: Quaark]
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That's true. With the whole quantum craze (I do agree it's fascinating) people are making stuff that are not quite correct. I think that science doesn't have all the answers but it got a hell lot of them. I mean, the whole "What The Bleep Do We Know" thing is great, but I don't think that Magick for example, should be supported by quantum models. Magick is a lot more personal, there are some general axioms but that's it.
I know that now people explain the whole "Walpurgisnacht-Flying-Witches-Thing" with Astral projections, and that's nice, it means that the 3 Newton laws existed but that there were also a whole new world in the head of the witches and folk-story collectors, microcosm I shall call it, and it's great just as much, or even more than the physical world.
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#171811 - 06/20/06 02:11 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: Myster_Tale]
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Mekubalim also say that there is reincarnation and a biblical God overseeing everything. Besides, just what qualification, experience and evidence do mekubalim have that they can back up these frivolous claims?




It doesn’t matter what interpretation they give to it- I just pointed out they agree with the idea of time-traveling through dreams.

And "The book of Zohar" is considered to be a major source of prophesies. I'm not saying I believe them, I'm just pointing things out.
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#171812 - 06/20/06 02:16 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: The_Lightning]
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I realize that, however, to me time-traveling through dreams sounds a bizzare idea, care to clarify?

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#171813 - 06/20/06 02:20 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: Quaark]
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Yes, this was a rash and badly phrased sentence on my behalf, sorry. It was an exaggerated way of trying to say that there are seas of possibilities we are yet aware of\ still don't know how to utilize properly.
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#171814 - 06/20/06 02:37 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: Myster_Tale]
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I don't think I am the right person to clarify this- I'm in no way a specialist… But until I find cutting proves to how reality is built, it just might be that the theories that time is working loop-wise are right and all sense of "present" "past" and "future" is an illusion, and by connecting to another state of consciousness we can transmit our consciousness on the same pattern of time itself. This is might be far-fetched, but for what is worth- I think I'm going to start doing some really major studying on quantum physics, dreams, symbols and time-theories after this thread and perhaps write all about it once I have it clarified and combined together to form some reasonable theory of my own (at least as much as possible).
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#171815 - 06/20/06 03:20 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: The_Lightning]
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I'd be glad to know what you think about the other subjects I brought up.




I have not really formed much of an opinion on Tarot cards. I would need to research it more and get more readings in order for me to give you a quality answer worthy of this board.

Ask me via PM if you really would like to know my initial oppinion. I do not wish publicly post it.
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#171816 - 06/20/06 03:37 PM Re: Dreams, Tarot Cards and more [Re: Enchantress]
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Registered: 05/21/06
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While I cannot speak for anyone else, personally I have never drempt of witch-hunts.



.....
you posted this:
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I remember that I was trying to get home, when I found myself surrounded by strange and unfriendly faces. I was very aware of my surroundings, and could sense danger around every corner - I remained outwardly calm.
I began to pick up my pace, in order to lose the people who appeared to be following me. I zigzagged through various streets, and ended up getting a little mixed up, so that I entered a dark and foreboding alleyway.
I realized that I really had nowhere to go - that these people were waiting for me, and I could not escape. So I thought through it quickly and rationally. While I kept climbing further and further up the wall, I had almost made it to the top when I noticed that the same large man that had almost bumped into me, was waiting for me to either get to the stairwell (where he and his friends could get to me), or waiting for me to get to the top (where he could pull me up). There was no way back down (people there), no way to go sideways (stairwell), and nowhere to go up (he was there). All this passed through my mind almost instantly.




This qualifies as a witch hunt… you are hunted down because of your difference from the crowd..
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