#174569  07/01/06 10:15 AM
Law of the Trapezoid.

Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 137
Loc: Michigan.

I have found this essay to be a bit difficult to understand entirely.
What I've grasped thus far is that certain angles impact the psyche different ways, and in some cases lead to destructive things.
Anton LaVey states some of his observations from working as a "paranormal" investigator in San Francisco; saying that in some cases where bad things have occurred, there were present certain angles which more than likely made it so.
If anyone can assist, that would be greatly appreciated.
Truly,
MDW
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#174571  07/01/06 04:59 PM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: PWG]

Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 137
Loc: Michigan.

What I am having trouble with is knowing what it is in totality.
Does it simply state that the Trapezoid will cause possible destructive effects, buildings that resemble a Trapezoid(s) or both?
I have seen the use of the Trapezoid many places in Satanic art and just don't feel that I've had the correct impression of what it is.
I just wanted to ask if there was something anyone can observe that I had perhaps overlooked.
Thank you for your reply.
MDW
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#174574  07/01/06 07:04 PM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: PWG]

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I have been able to observe the Law of the Trapezoid at work firsthand, and it's one of my favorites.
I always thought the people in my workplace were more than a little crazy, but I'd always chalked it up to job stress and immature behaviour. However, the pattern on the carpet consists of a highly abstract scribbled pattern of lines, and I just started looking at it indepth the other day and noticed that within the scribbles it's riddled with trapezoids. This may have had the subconscious effect of driving people batty.
I've been working at this place for some time, and recently my job duties take me away from the main areas and back into an area that has a neutral carpet pattern  no trapezoids  and what few people that are there are much saner! I've really noticed that the difference is most pronounced when I venture out to interact with people in the "tainted" area.

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#174576  07/02/06 02:59 AM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: Nemo]

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In the meantime I would suggest reading Klines' Sentics.
Magister, I just did a library search on your suggestion, but I could only find:
"Sentics : the touch of emotions by Manfred Clynes, 1925 Copyright 1977".
Is that the same one as you're recommending?

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#174580  07/04/06 04:04 AM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: melektaus8]

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Loc: Yurop

I haven't fully understood the Law of the Trapezoid. But I recently noticed that the ancient mesoamerican pyramids at Teotihuacan , are a collection of smaller trapezoids over larger ones. I've always found them to be quite intrigueing.
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#174583  07/04/06 04:33 PM
Re: Trapezoid.
[Re: Nemo]

Registered: 11/19/05
Posts: 223

Hey, it goes both ways actually. "Where the Elite Come to Play" can be the top and the green line is the base of an upside down trapezoid. Then the "Letters to the Devil" and "Magister Ventrue's" can be seen as another trapezoid with the green line the base. I've never noticed that. Maybe that's why it's so attractive. Now I also see the bottom of the CoS Emporium with " home shopping cart  checkout my account  contact us  mailing list store policies  terms of use  privacy statement " Another trapezoid. Let's see if there are anymore fun puzzles to look for...
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#174586  11/04/06 02:36 PM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: redheadgrl]

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It's effects are not always upon a conscious level but rather an emotional one.
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#174587  11/04/06 11:06 PM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: melektaus8]

Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 1025

Irrespective of any significance this contribution may have in the topic, I just started reading Ian Stewart's Concepts of Modern Mathematics today, and in reading it, a trapezoid sorta took center stage in My mind while reading the second chapter, Motion Without Movement. The second chapter starts with a treament of Euclid's proof of isosceles triangles, whichput very, very simplyis if you can flip the triangle over and it fits perfectly within the bounds of its original trace, it is isosceles. The problem with Euclid's proof, according to Zeno's paradoxes, is the concept of motion involved in it. Among Zeno's paradoxes, one stipulates that apparent motion, which we see everyday, cannot occur: To reach point B from point A, you must first pass through the midpoint C. To reach midpoint C from point A, you must first pass through midpoint D, and so on. Obviously, motion occurs, and so it should not overturn Euclid's proof, so a different view of motion must prevail. Closer to the trapezoid I come... Transformations make Euclid's proof possible, specifically, transformations confined to rigid motion. For instance, give a rectangle with vertices between points (1,1), (1,3), (3,1), and (3,3) on a Cartesian coordinate system, and given the transformation J(x,y) = (x+1,y+1), it is easy to see the same rectangle has moved up and to the right by one coordinate. This is an example of translation. The other two types of rigid motion are reflection and rotation. Now, how about an example of unrigid motion. Given the same rectangle and the transformation K(x,y) = (x2,xy), you see the same rectangle, but distorted, as if it were stretched around the left side of a soda can from a threequarter perspective. Here is where the trapzoid kicked in for Me. Can the trapezoid be some kind of transformation of the rectangle? I am a bit rusty on my geometry and trig, and I have been unable to think of a way to do it all day. It bugged Me so much from the moment I began mulling it over in My head that I had to put the book down. Can any of you think of a transformation of the rectangle that results in a trapezoid? Hail Satan!

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#174588  11/05/06 02:28 AM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: TheAbysmal]

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J(x,y)=(xy,y)
Where the rectangle exists only in quadrants I and II.
Edited by Drimlybunk (11/05/06 02:33 AM)
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#174589  11/05/06 12:37 PM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: TheAbysmal]

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I just started reading Ian Stewart's Concepts of Modern Mathematics today
Does it get into nonEuclidian realms? (That is, drop Euclid's "ugly" fifth postulate and see where you end up.) If so (and if you've got the math to approach the subject at least somewhat deeply), prepare to have your mind blown.
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The problem with Euclid's proof, according to Zeno's paradoxes, is the concept of motion involved in it. Among Zeno's paradoxes, one stipulates that apparent motion, which we see everyday, cannot occur: To reach point B from point A, you must first pass through the midpoint C. To reach midpoint C from point A, you must first pass through midpoint D, and so on. Obviously, motion occurs, and so it should not overturn Euclid's proof, so a different view of motion must prevail. Closer to the trapezoid I come...
The resolution to Zeno's Achilles and the Tortoise paradox is that it turns out an infinite series can add up to a finite sum. Thus the paradox is not a valid objection except in realms where calculus does not apply.
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#174590  11/05/06 10:19 PM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: Chess]

Registered: 09/22/06
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Your observation of infinite series adding up to finite sums is indeed correct. I probably should have avoided mentioning Xeno's Paradoxes without also mentioning those only rendered Euclid's Proof of the Isosceles Triangle incorrect in his time; likewise, the author offers this bit of information in his book. I neglected to include it in My original post in a rush to get to the meat and potatos of it, the Trapezoid. Interestingly enough, Drimlybunk shows how thinking inside the box, the first and second boxes, offers a partial solution. Here is where I walk the fine line between compulsion and indulgence. :) Perhaps there is a significance to this I may later discover... The subject of math, in all its flavors, has never failed to blow My mind. I enjoy it much, even what of it I may never apply beyond entertainment. What I find so intriguing about Concepts of Modern Mathematics is that it is more of an exposé of understanding math and its beauty, rather than blind manipulation of proofs and numbers. The author really, deeply loves the subject, and you can tell it from the prologue alone. Hail Satan!

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#174591  11/07/06 09:00 AM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: redheadgrl]

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Posts: 11640
Loc: New England, USA

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I read about the law of the trapezoid (The Devil's Notebook pg. 113) and was questioning why the trapezoid shape is disturbing. I don't find it disturbing at all, quite the opposite, and I have a number of trapezoid shapes in my home.
The geometric figure shown in the book actually has a line of symmetry. That in fact makes it look like a somewhat "balanced" shape. But when you take a more general look at what a trapezoid is (a quadrilateral with only two sides parallel) you can see in manifested in some "uneasy"looking geometry in the 3D world. A perfect example that LaVey gives is a room where the walls, ceiling, and/or floor do not meet at perfect 90degree angles. He confirmed that this showed up in the kind of rooms where people would get the creeps without knowing why.
Experiments have shown time and time again that humans like to see symmetry. Lack of symmetry makes us feel uneasy. But when you make things more and more asymmetric, it can get to a point where shapes just look messy and don't move the observer's mind. Trapezoids tend to have just enough parallel lines or symmetry to make us "want" to "complete" the symmetry in our minds, but the nonparallel lines keep irking the mind at the same time. This is what can cause uneasylooking geometry.
The Law of the Trapezoid though isn't limited to offering psychological explanations for allegedly haunted place, though. It has its applications. Sometimes we need asymmetry to help us "think outside of the box" too. For example, I think the traditional Satanic altar has a nice lack of symmetry by placing only one white candle to the right.
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#174592  11/07/06 09:04 AM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: TheAbysmal]

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The subject of math, in all its flavors, has never failed to blow My mind.
Mathematics is one of my own passions, that's for sure. I definitely want to check out the volume you mentioned.
My own personal view of the trapezoid is that it's the simplest way to represent pushing things into the next "dimension". If you hold up a square sheet of paper in front of you, then start to tilt the top back, it will look trapezoidal because of your perspective; the top will look shorter than the bottom because it's further away. Likewise in the ritual chamber we suspend disbelief in order to "push" things in an unconventional "direction".
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#174593  11/07/06 09:33 AM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: Enchantress]

Registered: 02/15/05
Posts: 1419
Loc: Banana, Canada

My English classroom is a blue trapezoid. The walls art is large wood trapezoids. The building in wich it resides has trapezoid office areas for the staff members.
My highest grade is in that class.
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#174595  11/09/06 06:28 AM
Re: Law of the Trapezoid.
[Re: Drimlybunk]

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I have been watching this topic for some time and have really enjoyed the information conveyed about different aspects of what makes up The Law of the Trapezoid and its effects.
I would just like to ask, aside from the mentioned texts and theories discussed in this thread and also aside from The Devils Notebook.
What other texts and/or theories would be recommended reading as I would really like to study this subject further.
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