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#175848 - 07/06/06 03:16 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: Minus]
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I try to avoid black people so they won't call me racist plus I don't want to deal with the smell.




I will now try to avoid your posts so I don't have to deal with the stupidity.




That's two of us. Where is that handy dandy ignore button...There we go.
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#175849 - 07/06/06 03:27 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: x9x]
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Actually...I would have to dig through the stats again, but I believe most murders are white on white, and black on black. Domestic disputes is one factor that plays heavily into this, as are crime related killings, within one's ethnic area. For instance, a white guy will shoot his white wife, or kill another white man in an argument, or a white youth may be shot while committing a crime against another white family a few blocks away. Also, a black man may shoot another black man while committing a crime against him. Most crimes are against those you spend time with.
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#175850 - 07/06/06 04:31 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: x9x]
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I am not really sure how to engage this topic.

I cannot see how someone can feel guilty about being white based off someone else's actions. You should not feel guilty for your own actions, let alone someone elses actions.

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#175851 - 07/06/06 04:31 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: Nidhogg]
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lol I try to avoid black people so they won't call me racist plus I don't want to deal with the smell.




Typical response from an infected herd member. It is my opinion that you are so infected with this meme that if you have or plan to have children you will infect them as well. Do the world a favor and get yourself sterile.
I would even go as far to call you a coward due to your lack of confrontation. (example) That big black dude over there is going to think im racist because im white so lets walk the other way.

I would rather smell fresh steaming hot elephant shit to being a coward.

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#175852 - 07/06/06 05:00 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: x9x]
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I'm not believing everything i read or see on the tube, but the 30.000 people that are killed every year in murdercases by a gun in the US are lies then?
I have no evidence black on white, but i believe it's a more common thing overthere than it happens here, that was my point actually.
I leave the fact open that alot of idiots can't handle the ownership of a gun in a responsable way.
I'm not even saying that racism is more popular overthere, since it's a global act of stupidity.




Actually, most of the murders are black-on-black (and to a lesser degree white-on white). Only a small percentage are really racially motivated. Most of the murders are drug related.
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#175854 - 07/06/06 05:08 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: x9x]
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>I bet in the States, situations like that do happen all the time, overhere it's kinda rare.

I disagree.
A quick search turned up these results.

A short review from the Inter Press Service highlights the rise of neo-Nazism in 2000 in Europe and suggests that far from being a fringe activity, racism, violence and neo-nationalism have become normal in some communities. The problems need to tackled much earlier, in schools and with social programmes.

Ethnic minorities and different cultures in one country can often be used as a scapegoat for the majority during times of economic crisis. That is one reason why Nazism became so popular.

In France, May 2002, the success of far right politician Le Pen in the run for leadership (though he lost out in the end) sent a huge shockwave throughout Europe, about how easy it was for far right parties to come close to getting power if there is complacency in the democratic processes and if participation is reduced.

In various places throughout Western Europe, in 2002, as Amnesty International highlights, there has been a rise in racist attacks and sentiments against both Arabs and Jews, in light of the increasing hostilities in the Middle East.

Earlier in 1998, in an area of Germany a right wing racist party won an unprecedented number of votes.

In Austria, the Freedom Party was able to secure the majority of the cabinet posts. The party is an extreme far right party, whose leader, Jorg Heider, has been accused of sympathetic statements towards the Nazis. The European Union has reacted to this indicating that Austria's participation may be in jeopardy. This Guardian Special Report has much more in-depth coverage.

In Italy, there are attempts to try and deal with the rise in undocumented immigrants from Tunisia. The reactions from the right wing have been labeled by some as being, openly racist.

In 1997, Human Rights Watch noted that, The U.K. has one of the highest levels of racially-motivated violence and harassment in Western Europe, and the problem is getting worse. In April 1999, London saw two bombs explode in predominantly ethnic minority areas, in the space of one week, where a Nazi group has claimed responsibility. The summer of 2001 saw many race-related riots in various parts of northern England.

Spain has seen increased racial violence lately. The growing economy invites immigrants from North African countries such as Morocco. However, the poor conditions that immigrants have had to endure and the already racially charged region has led to friction and confrontations.

Greece has one of the worst records in the European Union for racism against ethnic minorities, according to the BBC. Anti-immigrant sentiment has long been high, especially against ethnic Albanians, who form the largest minority. Until the 1990s, the BBC notes, Greece had been an extremely homogenous society. With the fall of communism many immigrants from Eastern Europe came to Greece. Albanians especially have been targetted by a lot of racist sentiment. Some hostage taking by a few Albanians in recent years has not helped the situation.

So now the questions some of the apologists and purveyors of victimhood must ask themselves before they start their Racist America rant are:

If America is such a bad place, then why are so many people trying so hard to get here?

If the deck is stacked againts non-whites, then why do so many immigrants of other races do so well here?

Welcome to Racist America..........
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#175855 - 07/06/06 05:11 PM Stereotypes [Re: x9x]
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Racism is too limited, I hate most people. I'll just get that out of the way now.

The stereotypes associated with certain peoples have some origin that many accepted and passed on. Is there truth behind them? Have you ever heard of Chinese having big Wangs, or blacks being good at math. Anyone try to Wop down a price. How many great Jew chefs have you heard of? Do you know any Mexican only child? Silly?, maybe.

I suggest a book, The End of Racism, by D'Souza. Ironically, you'll be less tolerant after it you're done with the 600 pages. It focuses on relations in the United States and its a hell of a read.

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#175856 - 07/06/06 06:10 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: Lust]
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"Typical response from an infected herd member. It is my opinion that you are so infected with this meme that if you have or plan to have children you will infect them as well. Do the world a favor and get yourself sterile."

Actually I could say the same about you. May I assume that you are of the caucasian persuasion and in your mid to late twenties? If so you have been socialized to believe that humans are the same biologically except for skin colour. Blacks do have a smell to them, so do whites and asians etc. I find the smell of blacks is not to my liking. Whats wrong with that? Is it a "hate" thing? No its a preference thing. So if I'm white I may not show preference for my own. Is that it? If so, why? Lets say I was of another race, black or asian and I show preference for my own. If I was black I'd be applauded if I was asian I would be practising my culture. Ever notice that this anti-racialist propaganda is directed soley at caucasians? Why doesn't anyone try to talk asians out of thier natural racialism or blacks? White Guilt, thats why.


Now on to memetics. I am aware of what a meme is and not all are negative. Leviathan XIII's homage to the Great Satan is an example of a positive meme in action. The Church of Satan is a meme too, is that a negative thing? Nope. How about capitalism? or justice?
Your body is literally crawling with bugs, bacteria and viruses, sounds gross no doubt but without these things you'd likely die. You are "infected" with organisms so you may live. Its the same with memes.

I see nothing wrong with racialism at all. Caucasians have been socialized to regard themselves as the majority for a few generations now when in fact we make up less than 7% of the human population on this planet and that number is beginning to dwindle because of this socialization. Caucasians take thier status on this planet for granted and are not breeding at the rate that other groups are. We are too comfortable, we are too fat, we are too urbanized, specialized and socialized and we are going to go extinct by our own hand because of this Guilt. A guilt that you and others have displayed in this thread.

I should also add that I came to these conclusions all by my lonesome and was not as popular myth would have you believe raised this way.

edited to add the last sentence and take care of an errant apostraphe.


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#175857 - 07/06/06 06:27 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: False_Messiah78]
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More stats: I don't remember the source but a recent study has found that poor white males are most often the target of "hate crimes", with "hate crimes" being defined as any crime motavated chiefly by race.
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#175858 - 07/06/06 06:30 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: AlricTarrant]
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More stats: I don't remember the source but a recent study has found that poor white males are most often the target of "hate crimes", with "hate crimes" being defined as any crime motavated chiefly by race.




Yes its true. I have been a poor white male (still a white male) and I have been targetted because of my race many times.
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#175859 - 07/06/06 06:31 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: Lust]
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In all fairness some of those examples are a result of exageration. Le Pen, for example, isn't really that different from most conservatives, he just has a sane immigration policy which gets him the "fascist" label. And the German NDP, despite some stupid nationalist stunts like having its members of parliament walking out during a Holocaust memorial, are similiar. To be fair the other examples prove your point, and if you had also included Russia it really would have been a slam dunk, as its difficult for non-whites to even ride the subway in the former homeland of "socialist internationalism" without being attacked.
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#175860 - 07/06/06 06:33 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: AlricTarrant]
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More stats: I don't remember the source but a recent study has found that poor white males are most often the target of "hate crimes", with "hate crimes" being defined as any crime motavated chiefly by race.




Is that a nationwide study, statewide study or a study of the capital region? If you can find the source for that study I'd be interested in seeing it.
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#175862 - 07/06/06 06:46 PM Re: Stereotypes [Re: Dak]
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Thank you for the advice on this book, i will check on it for sure, as this matter is interesting.
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#175863 - 07/06/06 06:50 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: False_Messiah78]
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Here a link about it: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48898
Apparently the study was done by the Justice Department (or at least compiled by it) and it was nationwide to answer your question. Its based on people answering questions rather than police records so it might not be totally reliable.
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#175864 - 07/06/06 06:53 PM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: Quaark]
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That's two of us.


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Three and counting.




aaawww not even gonna read my rebuttal? Its quite good. If I was baby Jesus I'd be crying right now.
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