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#175913 - 07/07/06 11:04 AM Re: lol [Re: Nidhogg]
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I believe the motto you're thinking of is "Meine Ehre heißt Treue." Not that Herr Slesk's Totenkopf is a sure sign that he has this slogan accompanying it, nor that even if he did it would imply Nazi sympathies. It is a beautiful phrase in its own right.

However, I will say this: there is intelligent argument to be made for racial differences, and I will even concede validity to "ethic odors" which are based mostly on diet, but you've not made an intelligent argument, simply made silly sounding statements that do you no credit. I advise backing off before you dig yourself any deeper.
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#175914 - 07/07/06 11:08 AM Re: Stereotypes [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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Cultural strife should suggest that Jews would do poorly, but they do the best of anyone.

Ah, but to that I say that the platform of IQ scarcely balances on a single column.

I would say Jews do well because their culture generally places a strong emphasis on learning and scholarship.

Black culture, on the other hand, often acts suspicious of scholarship, on the grounds that being book-smart involves "acting white" and "selling out."

Amusing facts to reconcile: if poor nutrition and strife were to be blamed for low IQ scores in Africans, why would Africans have such a demonstrably high stature,

I've wondered that too.

The stats seem to show that people around the world are getting taller because nutrition is improving, but it seems to me that many Africans have always been prone to being tall and lanky. So, why isn't their growth stunted?

Oh, and I had another thought on this matter---

IQ isn't everything.

Various studies have shown, for example, that "EQ"--emotional intelligence quotient--can potentially be a greater predictor of success than straight-up IQ. Certainly, you won't go very far in the real world if you can't read others' emotions and socialize with them appropriately, or if you can't engage in full-bodied moral reasoning (which involves use of emotions), even if you are able to solve a Rubik's cube or a word puzzle. Of course, IQ is important too, because you can't have a very good or useful EQ if your IQ is in the drooling-and-licking-the-wallpaper range.

Or, consider the study wherein toddlers were told that they could eat a marshmallow right now, or wait five minutes and get to eat two of them. Projective studies have shown that the toddlers who were able to wait end up doing better in school and at work, and scoring higher on exams later in life. Is that IQ? Is that EQ?

IQ is important, but if we're talking about the qualities or aptitudes that make a human being truly "smart" and productive, we have to consider various factors.
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#175915 - 07/07/06 11:08 AM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: Nidhogg]
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#175916 - 07/07/06 11:11 AM Re: lol [Re: Minus]
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well shit I thought I was filed under ignore. Anyway yes people smell. Different smells for different people unless you are under the ridiculous illusion that humans are all the same, which would be a product of your socialization process. I'm thinking a bit differently here. I think that human biodiversity is a good thing and as I have said before I am not a hater. Races are different from other each biologically. Yes interbreeding is possible I spent a good chunk of last night dancing with a Metis girl (French + Cree). So all those people that think I'm some racist hater ought to put that in thier peace pipes and smoke it. I am a ~racialist~ in the true sense of the word in that I reckon that races are different and I find that difference interesting. Yes my comment about the way blacks smell were insensitive, I'll admit that and apologize for it. Sorry folks I'll try to keep some of my redneck tendencies in check.


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#175917 - 07/07/06 11:16 AM Re: Guilty of being white- thoughts on racism [Re: Tiberia]
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Wiccans smell of patchouli and man-hate.

And B.O.

I also find that they don't properly maintain the areas under their love handles. Wiccans tend to have so many handles that you'd think they were built at IKEA, except for the fact that they aren't streamlined or efficient, and won't fit in or match with a standard Danish apartment.

You should've given them a gift certificate to the Body Shop.
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#175918 - 07/07/06 11:18 AM Re: lol [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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As always, Warlock, you're absolutely right.

I do NOT have any nazi sympathies at all. In my opinion it is collectivistic hogwash.

That being said, "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" is, as you stated, a beatiful phrase. However, the phrase that encircles my tattoo is actually from Ragnar Redbeard: " Christs may come and Christs may go, but CÆSAR lives forever".

And, yes, it is possible to have an intelligent discussion when it comes to the odors of different ethnic groups. Living as I do, in the middle of the immigrant area of Oslo, I know that odors differ between ethnic groups, or rather between country of origin. This has, as you said, very much to do with diet. Pakistanis use a lot of garlic in their food, hence they tend to smell like garlic from time to time.

I have heard the statement of not liking the odors of blacks, asians, or what have you, a thousand times before, and my reply is invariably: Do you think that they enjoy OUR odors?
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#175919 - 07/07/06 11:20 AM Re: lol [Re: Nidhogg]
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I spent a good chunk of last night dancing with a Metis girl (French + Cree). So all those people that think I'm some racist hater ought to put that in thier peace pipes and smoke it.




That comment reminds me of people who say "I'm not racist, some of my friends are black!"

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#175920 - 07/07/06 11:21 AM Re: Stereotypes [Re: TrojZyr]
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Projective studies have shown that the toddlers who were able to wait end up doing better in school and at work, and scoring higher on exams later in life. Is that IQ? Is that EQ?

That's inductive reasoning, and why it would suggest the toddler has potential is because the human brain develops different reasoning abilities at different stages. If a toddler can comprehend the value of "letting an investment pay off" then he has developed the ability of foresight earlier than average and will probably always be a step ahead of others in development.

For example, if you have two glasses of equal volume filled with water, one tall and narrow, the other short and wide, most all very young children will claim the taller glass holds more water, and will often be quite surprised when you show them by transfer that they have equal volume. They'll think it's a "trick." The don't understand spatial values yet, just gross visual assessment.

I typically discard the entire idea of "EQ." Besides the fact that it reeks of apologetics for low-IQ but highly social washups, it also attempts to counter the fact that many of the greatest productive geniuses are antisocial or asocial. Typically, the smarter the person the more isolated they are from others. It's lonely at the top, but you're in good company.
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#175921 - 07/07/06 11:25 AM Re: lol [Re: Soleil Noir]
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I spent a good chunk of last night dancing with a Metis girl (French + Cree). So all those people that think I'm some racist hater ought to put that in thier peace pipes and smoke it.




That comment reminds me of people who say "I'm not racist, some of my friends are black!"




no I don't have any black friends. Should I make some? I know many Amerinds, though I wouldn't say that they are my friends.
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#175923 - 07/07/06 11:47 AM Re: lol [Re: $lesk]
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I have heard from friends (who have lived months or years over there) that the Japanese are quite put off by an odor caucasians emit that is caused by the dairy in our diet.
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#175924 - 07/07/06 11:48 AM Re: Stereotypes [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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The problem with EQ is that it tries to compare itself, to itself. There's no benchmark or clear defining standard of what it is, what it isn't, and what it measures, exactly.

You're also correct that it's commonly used to heap pity on people who didn't measure up in the IQ department. That's mealy-mouthed egalitarianism in disguise.

That being said, the idea of EQ points to something very important, which is that success does not depend upon a single aptitude or ability, and that what makes a person successful may be difficult to measure with a simple (usually "left-brained" or "analytical") test. Society has become all too enamored of the standarized test, for example, when common sense and observation show that doing well on the SAT, while impressive and good, isn't the be-all end-all of success in life. (Note that I'm not saying we should abolish standardized tests, I'm just saying they shouldn't be treated like the Windows to the Soul.)

For example, if you have two glasses of equal volume filled with water, one tall and narrow, the other short and wide, most all very young children will claim the taller glass holds more water, and will often be quite surprised when you show them by transfer that they have equal volume. They'll think it's a "trick." The don't understand spatial values yet, just gross visual assessment.

Yup. That's never ceased to amaze me, because I can't fathom not being able to figure that out.

If a toddler can comprehend the value of "letting an investment pay off" then he has developed the ability of foresight earlier than average and will probably always be a step ahead of others in development.

Indeed.

What's interesting is that foresight was just part of the success strategy; the kids also had to devise creative ways of distracting or entertaining themselves while waiting. None of the kids sat there staring at the marshmallow and avoiding it through pure willpower. (Interestingly, this is quite like what most religions expect people to do.) They sang, they told stories, they ran around, they talked to themselves.

Delaying gratification is actually a pretty sophisticated process. You have to be able to look into the future and imagine the ultimate end result, you have to resist your desire to grab what feels good right now, you have to be motivated or inspired to seek out your end goal and stick with it, and you have to have a plan of how you're going to delay gratification and meet your end goal. It requires both logic and imagination.

Oh, and I just fact-checked, and it seems these kids (predominantly four-year-olds) delayed gratification for not just five minutes, but fifteen! Bloody hell.
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#175925 - 07/07/06 11:54 AM Re: lol [Re: Nidhogg]
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well shit I thought I was filed under ignore.




I said I would avoid your posts, not ignore them.

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Anyway yes people smell. Different smells for different people unless you are under the ridiculous illusion that humans are all the same, which would be a product of your socialization process.




People's scents are, for the most part, a product of diet. Usually dietary scents are so minute that they are not easily detectable from the distance of common interaction. You said black people smell like burning rubber, asians like fish and whites like bologna. This statement is ridiculous. I lived in Japan for 4 years and never smelled a person who reeked of fish. This may be due to the fact that I stayed out of the strip clubs but I still stand by my observations. Blacks smell like burning rubber? Where did you get this? I've never noticed this. Maybe the burning rubber you smell is from the tires on your car as you peel out to get away from the big, bad black man that approaches.

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I'm thinking a bit differently here. I think that human biodiversity is a good thing and as I have said before I am not a hater. Races are different from other each biologically.




Of course the races are different from each other biologically. That is exactly what constitutes a different race. My problem with you is not that I don't believe there are differences. It is in the fact that you spouted off short, hateful, quasi-retarded statements with no purpose other than to degrade an entire group of people based soley on the fact that their diet makes them secrete a scent that you find offensive. The fact that you would "avoid" them because of this speaks volumes about you.

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Yes interbreeding is possible I spent a good chunk of last night dancing with a Metis girl (French + Cree). So all those people that think I'm some racist hater ought to put that in thier peace pipes and smoke it.




Just because you were horny does not mean you're not a racist. Some of the most famous slave owners in history have "danced with a Metis girl". We can only go by the statements you make, not the places you put your cock.

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I am a ~racialist~ in the true sense of the word in that I reckon that races are different and I find that difference interesting. Yes my comment about the way blacks smell were insensitive, I'll admit that and apologize for it. Sorry folks I'll try to keep some of my redneck tendencies in check.




I, for one, didn't comment on your statements to receive an apology. It does not bother me, personally, how you view the world. I just found some of your statements to be a tad out of place in an intelligent conversation on a sometimes touchy subject. You brought a feeling of confrontation to a civilized discussion, that's all. Did you expect everyone to laugh and start bashing those "smelly" races? Not here. Not ever.
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#175926 - 07/07/06 12:04 PM Perception [Re: Nidhogg]
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"no I don't have any black friends. Should I make some? I know many Amerinds, though I wouldn't say that they are my friends."

No more joking around for me now.

Let's talk about Racism, skin color and hatred.

I lived in Oakland, California for many, many years. That is the place on the planet I consider home. Question for people in the USA: aside from a football and baseall team, what comes to mind when you hear about Oakland?

Nice Craftsman houses? Quiet tree lined streets? Beautiful parks in the hills? Neighborhoods with mostly Upper-Middle income whites?

Probably not.

But that's Oakland. Part of it. A friend of mine (because the topic is racisism: he is of mixed background-- Philipino, White American, Mexican (his family ancestory there goes back to the Aztecs, so he claims), and Native American) pointed out something funny to me. He said, "We've been living in Oakland for how long? How come we don't have any Black friends?"

Well, it was very infrequent that a Black person would travel through our circle. When they did, we didn't even care about their color. Were they fun to be around? Were they interesting? Persons of Color get the same treatment from me that everyone else does.

Are they intelligent? Fun to talk to? Time suckage and mutual benefit are the weighing factors here.

Am I a racist? Well, I think that question is best answered in song.
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#175927 - 07/07/06 12:09 PM Re: lol [Re: Minus]
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Just because you were horny does not mean you're not a racist. Some of the most famous slave owners in history have "danced with a Metis girl". We can only go by the statements you make, not the places you put your cock.




Exactly! Strom Thurmond comes to mind here!

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#175928 - 07/07/06 12:16 PM Re: Perception [Re: RandomStranger]
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Great post. You make a great point when you state WHY you didn't hang out with any black people. It wasn't because they were black...it was because the black people you were exposed to in your area did not stimulate you in the least. That is not racism, that is surrounding yourself with people you like.

You do not seem like you would excluded a black person who was stimulating and interesting from your circle merely because he was black. That is the difference between you and a racist.
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