#186682 - 09/04/06 12:54 AM
Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Whilst this has been noted in a different thread, I thought it worth posting here. Whilst he may have been in the spotlight at times for the wrong reason, he did have a significant impact towards changing the public's perception on animals, particularly reptiles. SOURCE From News.com.au ======================================= Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin dead September 04, 2006 02:14pm THE Crocodile Hunter, Steve Irwin, is dead. He was killed in a freak accident in Cairns, police sources said today. It is understood he was killed by a stingray barb that went through his chest and reportedly into his heart . He was swimming off the Low Isles at Port Douglas filming an underwater documentary when the tragedy occured. The Queensland Ambulance Service (QAS) was called about 11am (AEST) and an emergency services helicopter was flown to the crew's boat on Batt Reef, off the coast near Cairns, with a doctor and emergency services paramedic on board. Irwin had a puncture wound to the left side of his chest and was pronounced dead at the scene. Irwin's body is being flown to Cairns. One report today said his American-born wife Terri was trekking on Cradle Mountain in Tasmania at the time of the tragedy. Police in Tasmania said they had made contact with her and have passed on the news of her husband's death. The Irwins have two children - a daughter, Bindi Sue Irwin, eight, and a three-year-old son, Robert (Bob) Clarence Irwin. Steve Irwin - known worldwide as the Crocodile Hunter - was famous for his enthusiasm for wildlife and his catchcry "Crikey!". In an sad twist, it has been reported that his new documentary was aimed at demystifying the stingray. Irwin's Crocodile Hunter program was first broadcast in 1992 and has been shown around the world on cable network Discovery. He has also starred in movies and has developed the Australia Zoo wildlife park, north of Brisbane, which was started by his parents Bob and Lyn Irwin. Tributes have already started pouring in for the larger-than-life character. Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, who used a photograph of his family at Australia Zoo for his official Christmas card last year, hailed Mr Irwin for his work in promoting Australia. Irwin was heavily involved in last year's "G'Day LA" campaign. "The minister knew him, was fond of him and was very, very appreciative of all the work he'd done to promote Australia overseas," a spokesman said. A Tourism Queensland spokeswoman said the death was shocking and paid tribute to Irwin's "enormous contribution" to his adopted state. "I don't think we could even estimate how much he brought us through his personality and his profile and his enthusiasm about Queensland," she said.
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#186683 - 09/04/06 01:02 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
[Re: IX Von ZehEhv]
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In all honestly, I don't care. But maybe that is because I am having a really messed up week.
In any event, I am sure the Discover Channel will hold a Crocodile Hunter marathon followed by a biography. I don't have cable, so I woudn't know.
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#186684 - 09/04/06 01:08 AM
A Truly Noble Death
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Ironically, I just posted what I thought was an amusing video about him just a day or two ago in the humor section. I hope it was seen as it was intended, as the more I learn about this man, the more respect and curiosity I have about him.
In all seriousness and respect--considering that on a long enough time-line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero, I'd have to say the way he died was as remarkable as the way he lived and seems to describe him in a way.
I keep thinking of him like a Klingon dying in an amazing battle. Honestly, how many people die from Manta-ray barb trauma? This is as amazing to me as the fact that he lived as long as he did, considering his activities.
As "honor deaths" go, it beats the hell out of most alternatives.
Hail the Crocodile Hunter--who died well!
Edited by Quiddity (09/04/06 01:09 AM)
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#186686 - 09/04/06 01:11 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I have posted my reply there, but of all news I've heard lately I am actually most moved by this. I may not give a rat's ass if a thousand people are blown up in a third world country, but to hear that Irwin has died doing what he loved to do is tragic. His detractors are many, but they had neither the skill nor the lust for life that Irwin did. Find a man more content than he was. I am sad to hear of any fellow animal man meeting his end. We are a separate breed, and he was nothing if not an animal man. I, for one, will miss old Steve. 
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#186688 - 09/04/06 01:22 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Here is hoping that his legacy will last in those he inspired. I see that he also was behind the International Crocodile Rescue. I mention this, Leviathan, in reference to your interest in and comments on reptiles.
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#186689 - 09/04/06 01:32 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Very sad indeed. The magic and fun that he brought to my children, and me, will surely be missed.
Hail Steve for the enchantment and joy that he brought to the (mostly undeserving) world.
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#186690 - 09/04/06 01:43 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Indeed, I can think of few other people that took "live every moment to it's fullest" with as much enthusiasm as he did. I can't help but think that he would have had few regrets about what he did with his time and there's no better way to die than that.
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#186692 - 09/04/06 02:07 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Amusingly, I think if Irwin could issue one last public statement it would be, "I hope the stingray is okay."
Without a doubt.
I remember when he first aired on TV years ago and everyone thought he was nuts and his popularity grew like wildfire.
He lived his life to it's fullest and died doing what he enjoyed. For that, he has earned at least some of my respect.
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#186693 - 09/04/06 02:08 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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As you know probably more than most, for too long society likes to blame the animal for being...well.. an animal. The main examples that come to mind are the crocodile and shark. When someone is taken by a shark, many jump on the bandwagon about how 'our' beaches are not safe and need to be protected... ie Kill sharks. In saying this, there has been a trend over the past few years that families of victims beg for the sharks to be left alone as they are not to blame for what happened. There IS a growing respect for the domain of other animals. You probably do not know of this man, but Rodney Fox is quite famous in Australia. Many years ago, he was attacked by a shark not far from where I live. Somehow, he survived (see pics below for why I say somehow) The bite The scar For some time he massacred sharks in 'retribution'. He then saw the problem with this and now fiercly protects them and has a museum a few minutes from here. It's this change in attitude that must be fostered, and what Irwin did so well. He used his unique brand of entertainment to get a very important message across. He succeeded. It is such a shame that he could not personally continue this message. Quote:
Amusingly, I think if Irwin could issue one last public statement it would be, "I hope the stingray is okay."
You know, I think you would be right on the mark with that one. I can see him saying that right now. 
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#186694 - 09/04/06 02:18 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Today is truly a sad day because the world lost someone who was passionate about his work to the very end. I thoroughly enjoyed watching his shows as a little girl and dreamed of one day going to Australia to see him in person.
At the very least his legacy will be remembered in the work that he lived for.
A great loss indeed.
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#186695 - 09/04/06 02:31 AM
...but then again, he's no John Ritter
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It's ironic that we're discussing modes of death right now. Just a couple hours ago, I managed--by way of a series of mis-clicks, to end up staring at the death of John Ritter, an actor in a 3rd-rate sitcom who never really did anything to offend anyone--which in itself is a little offensive to me. I'm embarrassed to know that he managed to die on September 11th (of 2003), but did so of a heart condition while filming another lame sitcom. For contrast, I don't even need to make any jokes about John Ritter--considering how many Hollywood produced. Oops. I said I wouldn't do that.  As difficult as it is to admit, perhaps his death wasn't a total waste, considering the comedic contrast and reinforcement he accidentally added here to the polar-opposite death of the Crocodile Hunter. Those who don't make good backdrops for those who do.
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#186696 - 09/04/06 02:34 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I actually knew who Rodney Fox was when I was five years old, and I read about his story. He went from hating sharks to being an advocate for their protection. He came to terms with the fact that he was bitten because he was in their domain and took that risk, not because they are malicious or evil. Irwin was injured by animals before, but he never blamed them. I've been bitten by nonvenomous snakes (never been envenomated and don't plan to be), spiders, dogs, cats, had the holy hell scratched out of me, and here is proof of love: try cleaning up after my animals.  He knew and understood animals on their terms, something most people are simply incapable of. He knew they were not "just like people but not as smart," they are just what they are and perfect at it.
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#186697 - 09/04/06 02:54 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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That is what I get for making an assumption (re R.Fox). I knew the police officer that gave him the police escort to the hospital. He said he would "not have given a penny for his life". This same officer later had experiences with the Great White over at Port Lincoln (South Australia). Out in the water, one swam so close by him he could have tickled it on the belly. Since then, he has a deal with the sharks. He stays out of their ocean, and they stay out of his shower. The deal still stands solid to this day. Irwin started with reptiles when he was young, and obviously developed such a passion from there. This was the motivation behind the 'baby' incident. Trying to pass on his passion and understanding. Quote:
and here is proof of love: try cleaning up after my animals
Might I ask how many animals you have?
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He knew and understood animals on their terms .... they are just what they are and perfect at it.
That is the important thing here. Their terms. All of that is so very well said Leviathan. Very well said.
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#186699 - 09/04/06 03:13 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I presently have seven animals discounting animals that are feeders (like crickets, mice, goldfish, etc). I've had well over twenty animals at one time before, and probably kept around 50-75 animals over the course of my life.
Some find it hard to imagine, but whether an animal is "my" animal or just one I find, for the time I am in contact with any animal, its well being is my priority. There are those who have seen me wade waist deep just to lift a river rock to replace a single, common little salamander right where I found it rather than toss it in the water. I've had snakes hold an excrutiating bite on me for ten minutes while I carefully opened its jaws, because I would not risk injuring it just to save myself some pain. I've even had a snake that I adopted as a rescue animal that was so aggressive that I had to hold his head and allow him to constrict the holy hell out of me while my partner cleaned his cage, then unwind him and put him back in the cage.
What I've been given in return is worth far more than that. I am privileged to be as a brother to these animals, to see them as they really are and be one of them. When my cat purrs in my lap or my dog licks my face, I do not think, "And they are now just like me," I think, "And I am now one of them."
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#186702 - 09/04/06 03:56 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I actually knew about Rodney Fox because if you read about sharks, he will come up. As soon as I mastered reading Dr. Seuss books at age 2-3, I went straight to books on nature. First it was dinosaurs (mostly books written for an adult audience), and then reptiles and sharks. My childhood idea of good reading was a field guide, and memorizing vital stats and taxonomy trees (Warlock Daark: this is why you will never get a taxonomy riddle past me  ). Where I grew up is, in a sense, not entirely unlike parts of Australia in terms of natural habitat. It was a flat desert populated by creatures and plants most of which can hurt you. Even the grass had thorns. You either learn to respect that, or you conflict with it. I chose to respect it.
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"The devil I'll bring you," answered Hagen. "I have enough to carry with my shield and breastplate; my helm is bright, the sword is in my hand, therefore I bring you naught."
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#186703 - 09/04/06 04:49 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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>> Tourism Queensland spokeswoman said the death was shocking << Hardly a great shock. He was always going to die in the jaws of one of the dangerous animals from which he derived a masochistic delight in taunting and teasing in their own habitat. He died doing what he enjoyed and the masochist went out the way he would have wanted. Hail the memory of Steve Irwin, provocateur of dangerous animals. Edit: Hardly an accident either. Going by his usaual modus operandi I bet he was poking the creature with a stick!
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#186704 - 09/04/06 05:21 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Is this true? I can't find any other new sources.
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#186707 - 09/04/06 05:26 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Oh, Thats really sad. I loved him. I used to think he was mad - But no, just passionate. 
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#186709 - 09/04/06 06:20 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I'm sorry to hear this. Steve's radiance was overwhelming, and he had a rare privilege of making a living out of a calling, not a proverbial job. It was weird seeing his actual age was 44, due to his "aura" of child's honesty and opennes. I remember him as a guest on a TV show with his at the time 3 or 4 year old daughter: the confidence and natural disposition of that little girl around animals was a pleasure to watch. Someone around here has a signature: Remember to live the life you have chosen , or similar. I am sure Steve never had a problem with this.
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#186711 - 09/04/06 06:57 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I never liked his over-the-top performances on television but I admired him for getting people interested into animals. He was so passionate about animals, even the 'icky reptiles', and I will always remember that being reptile-crazy myself.
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#186712 - 09/04/06 08:52 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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i saw this earlier this evening while at work im still stunned and cant believe its true, what a horrible way to die...but at least he died doing something he was passionate about Crikey Steve! R.I.P
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#186715 - 09/04/06 11:05 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Just found out about this barely a minute ago. I always joked that Steve Irwin's antics were going to get him killed, but now that it's happened, I feel a bit sad, and even, surprised, as odd as that sounds. Though he took numerous dumb risks, I do admire and appreciate the passion he had for animals, especially maligned ones like crocodiles and such. He provided a useful educational service to his viewers, and he died as he lived---how many people can confidently say they'll probably die doing exactly what they love most? (Even though not having to die at all is better...)
And, in terms of personality and actually knowing about critters, he was a billion lightyears ahead of that "Grizzly Man" retard.
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#186717 - 09/04/06 01:39 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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With a healthy ego the likes that Steve Irwin had, I am willing too bet that his name will stay in the minds of a lot of people for a very long time.
Hail The Crocodile Hunter!
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#186718 - 09/04/06 02:01 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I join the whole world in mourning the loss of a great man.
It's the way he died that is most intriguing. I won't be surpised if it's a snake bite. In my country, the barbed tail of a giant stingray is believed to have magical properties. They are used by shamans to ward off evil spirits.
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#186719 - 09/04/06 02:30 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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When I first heard about it on another newsgroup, I thought it was a joke. But sadly, all the news channels said differently. I always enjoyed watching his show, especially back when I was keeping reptiles myself. Every now and then I'd pick up a new tip from the Croc Hunter, which was greatly appreciated when I'd have to handle a fiesty snake or catch a wild one that was menacing the neighborhood. He was far more animated than other nature show hosts I'd seen before, and certainly raised the bar. I admired him both for his knowledge in his field and his showmanship. His death did not shock me, but the manner in which he died certainly did. Like many people, I always expected him to go out with a venom bite or something of that sort. When I heard he died in the water, the first thing I thought was "saltwater croc". I would have never in my wildest dreams expected it to happen while swimming with stingrays. I think his death may serve as a reminder that anything can happen. While I have no doubt that Mr. Irwin was extremely well qualified in his field, I think this tragedy might be a bit of a reality check for some of the more wreckless (and obviously less experienced) daredevils I've seen gracing the television screen lately.
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#186720 - 09/04/06 02:58 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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This is indeed sad news. Steve Irwin was one of the most passionate people alive. Though he was a little over-the-top in his performances on television, he did spark an interest in animals in the minds of otherwise dull people. He has achieved immortality in a way that few can rival. He will be missed....   Hail Satan!
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#186721 - 09/04/06 03:08 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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This is in truth sad news.
My girl and i had the plesure to visit Australien zoo in May, and if there is a place on earth where magic is practised openly, it must be there. The abilleti the staff and in particular Steve, to entertain as well educate the puplic... thats magic.
He will be missed......
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#186722 - 09/04/06 03:10 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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i was very saddened to hear about the untimely death of steve- i am not normally the type of person to be sentimental about people who i don't know, but i have to say that i was stunned when i heard the news as i had a lot of respect for the guy.
it does seem like a terrible waste, but he has left a magnificent legacy- his conservation work will continue in the hands of others (there will no doubt be a 'steve irwin trust') and he has educated many people about wildlife and conservation in the way only he could. his enthusiastic style was unique and compelling, and i'm sure he will be remembered for many years to come.
hail steve irwin!
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#186724 - 09/04/06 04:24 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Steve Irwin got what he deserved, there are ways to document animals without going up and grabbing them by the tail. It isn't helpful, it's disrespectful.
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#186725 - 09/04/06 04:26 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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He was an obnoxious moron who got what was coming to him. "When in another's lair...."
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#186726 - 09/04/06 04:29 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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The fact that he was stung in the chest is rare, so of course one does wonder how exactly this occurred.
He was probably handling it.
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#186727 - 09/04/06 04:41 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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The ironic thing is that he survived all the deadly snakes and other animals he handled, but he was killed instantly by the "pussy of the sea", the sting ray. I actually liked his show and it was sad to see him go. He lived life to the fullest and loved every minute of it. It was really a matter of when this would happen. He will be missed.
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#186729 - 09/04/06 05:14 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Hitting the nail on the head !!!
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#186730 - 09/04/06 07:42 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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( A repost of my downstairs reply, since it's also appropriate here as well. ) I just found out today of his death, and it hit me rather hard, because I admired the man so much! Though the man would be deemed as reckless with his own safety when he was alive that was basically what he was taught by his father. His rustic style with animal wrangling, along with his passion for wildlife and the charisma that he had, made him the undisputed face of wildlife conservation throughout the world. He was among the first people who sparked my interest of reptiles. He, in my most humble opinion, was and still is, the vanguard of wildlife conservation. No other individual could compete with the undying zeal and passion he held for animal species from all walks of life, nor better communicate their importance to millions around globe. Figuratively speaking, he was no doubt a magister of his craft. For that I salute him! Hail Steve Irwin!!! He will be missed!
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#186732 - 09/04/06 10:19 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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#186735 - 09/05/06 07:50 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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If he set up wildlife preserves where the animals can go about their lives unmolested by humans, I'll give him some credit.
I like animals better than I do humans and am not of the opinion that they are here for entertainment or sport.
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#186736 - 09/05/06 09:04 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I, too, value non-human animals more than that of humans. Of course, they are not here for entertainment or sport. I do not need to 'see' the animals in order to appreciate them. But.. Most human beings are unable to operate in the same manner. They can't appreciate anything past the bigmac they are stuffing into their mouth. There are those out there who do seek to destroy the habitat of animals, and it is only by raising awareness of this issue in conjunction with public interest in conservation that the issue will be adequately addressed. Creating a reserve for animals to protect this habitat is, obviously, a valuable idea. But unless fundamental changes are made to the manner in which the world thinks and operates, we will be left with nothing but the reserves. This, in my opinion, hardly meets the definition of conservation: Conservation - the act of conserving; prevention of injury, decay, waste, or loss; preservation: conservation of wildlife; conservation of human rights. source I do not believe Irwin's antics inspire animal cruelty. As we both know, there are always those who take a message or philosophy and twist it for their own needs. The ones who would abuse animals in this context would certainly be a minority, and the positive impact that Irwin has made would offset this 100 times over. His work extended well beyond documentaries and Australia Zoo, including International Crocodile Rescue and working with conservation funds from around the globe. My respect for Steve Irwin is not just regarding his 'mission', but also his ability to achieve it.
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#186737 - 09/05/06 09:48 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Though I wasn't really a fan of him, he had great enthusiasm for his work and you can tell that he really enjoyed what did. At least he died doing something that he liked, as per his wishes. RIP Steve Irwin...
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#186738 - 09/05/06 10:08 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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What if I ran through the streets and grabbed people's asses and said "crickey!, what a fine specimen!", I would be arrested, why is allright to do that to animals but not people?
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#186739 - 09/05/06 10:42 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Latest news said it was his fatal decision to turn his attention while filming something to a group of passing stingray that led to his death. A large bullray suddenly stopped and pierced him right through the heart while releasing poison, killing him instantly.
In my opinion, the animal was just acting defensively as he thought Steve was a predator, and should not be blamed for it. Steve must have been caught by surprise as he was not prepared to deal with the animal in this situation... He should have known better.
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#186740 - 09/05/06 12:24 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I just tended to see Irwin as, well, an Aussie, so Itypically forgave him for getting too close to, say, a crocodile, and then cheerily saying, "Crikey, he's an angry little bugga!" or casually noting that there was a rattlesnake between his legs. I'd expect the descendants of British outcasts and brigands who live on an island with so many poisonous lifeforms that they even have a poisonous mollusc to be more than a bit eccentric. Hey, in such a dangerous world, you might as well be a go-getter, what? He cared about crocs and other critters deeply, and that interest and passion often caused him to toss caution into the wind. But, like I and others have said, his brand of passionate risk-taking based on an authentic lifelong interest is a cut above, say, typical frat-boy risk-taking or what have you. And, if Irwin inspired those Big Mac-eating ignorants to think more about the importance of conserving and protecting even ugly or "evil" animals like crocodiles and snakes, then he performed a worthwhile service in the end. Sometimes, you need glitz, glamor, and pizzazz to get a message across, because people don't listen otherwise. Yes, I imagine Irwin and Corwin and even Jack Hanna do sometimes annoy the animals they're studying or displaying, but their conduct is not grossly abusive or traumatizing based on what I've seen, and I imagine the animals get over it pretty quickly once said hosts move on to the next segment, just as they get over other daily annoyances or brief stressful moments. I suppose I'm arguing that the ends ultimately justify the means in these particular cases.
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#186741 - 09/05/06 12:29 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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My god, that would make an awesome program.
"On Sociology Today, I'll be stalking the elusive lumpenproletariat. Ah! There's the female. Look at the size of 'er! Notice the ill-fitting floral pants and the baggy shirt that doesn't match. And here comes the male. Oh, he's a 'uge bugga, too! You can tell him by the Budweiser baseball cap and the grease-stained Nike t-shirt..."
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#186743 - 09/05/06 04:09 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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There is more to what he did than that. If it wasn't for people like him, many of these animals would have been dead and still stereotyped as "vicious." He locked up thousands and thousands of acres of habitat that will be forever protected for these animals. Most people will never be able to do a quarter of the things he did.
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#186745 - 09/05/06 08:09 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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1. Steve Irwin was a stamp collecter. He did nothing with animals.
People around the globe continued to run over snakes on purpose, because they were a sign of evil, or too dangerous, etc. They contued to shoot pitts on sight, and crocs for the same reason.
As a Satanist, this scenerio would make me furious.
BUT, JACK ASS:
2. Steve Irwin put his life on the line (Blood, sweat and tears, (no HALF ASS SHIT - like some opinions I've been reading) and helped aid new boys and girls to understand their place (the animals) and the precautions to take to stay alive when near them. Respect, and Caution. Can't say the same for most Texans who go on the yearly or monthly (Or whatever-y) Rattle Snake Butcher.
People who harm snakes (Snakes being the representitive of all animals) are dead meat.
Those who respect animals, will live longer. (According to me, as in, if I find out.....)
In order to differentiate between the two scenerios, you need a mediator, who has....yeah, what you're showing me you lack here, BALLS.
Stever had'em.
RIP Steve. I'll be sure to spit on those who do less but say more.
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#186746 - 09/05/06 09:05 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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That was a good post. Quote:
I just tended to see Irwin as, well, an Aussie, so Itypically forgave him
It's good to hear that mate.
You make good points regarding the ends justifies the means. Another example, which could potentially stir up more debate, is that of zoos. I for one, do not like the idea of animals being kept in cages on display for the public. But.. Without the chance to see these animals, many of the public would cease to care. It is an at times sad trade-off, but zoos do have an important place, a very imporatant place, in animal conservation.
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#186753 - 09/06/06 02:06 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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And, there's always a potential middle ground. Many zoos are working to create better habitats and more entertainment options for their animals, and I applaud those efforts. So, you don't have to stick an animal in a cage or tiny enclosure, nor should you.
I remember seeing a baboon, I think it was, in an incredibly small, drab enclosure at the Denver Zoo. He just sat in the corner, facing the wall, rocking back and forth. It broke my heart. But, a zoo doesn't have to be that way, if people put in the time, creativity, and money to create a real home for the animals, and a well-designed zoo can help to really excite and educate people.
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#186754 - 09/06/06 02:16 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Thank you. I can picture Irwin tackling and wrestling a guy casually eating a biggie fries and a coke, so that he can sit on top of him while showing the audience his gold fillings.
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#186759 - 09/06/06 12:29 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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>> But here is the thing---the man voluntarily had 2 children who counted on him. <<
As I pointed out downstairs there were also two moronic episodes from him. Once where he fed a crocodile whilst holding his baby in the other hand and another occasion when he dangled the child over an alligator pen.
>> The risks he took implies that those children were less important to him than his ideals <<
The above would also suggest he placed TV ratings above their wellbeing.
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#186763 - 09/06/06 08:18 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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"When in another's lair...."
I think that this needs to be extended upon. To use half the quote does not do it justice.
When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
Is not conservation and building the passion for it to be considered respect? Irwin was always aware that he could meet his demise whilst working with animals, but pressed forward in the interest of conservation.
This brings me to the second point you have made.
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The risks he took implies that those children were less important to him than his ideals.
Any footage shows how close he was with his family. Then I ask, what of those within the Military who have family. Is their active duty to be considered putting family second to their ideals? What if it is no longer an ideal, but purely work?
Steve was very close with his family Priestess, I would go as far as saying he was a role model as to how many fathers should be.
Irwin's last interview was focussed on his children. "The sun rises and sets with my daughter Bindi, it really does, I just long to be with her, I always have, I think I always will." "When I finished with that croc I went back to the camp and did dress ups with the Barbie dolls."
My opinion is that more would do well to have parents who love their children the way Steve Irwin did.
This does not mean that he should put his ideals second. Should children become one's life when they are born, or share it? Taking the perspective of being HIS own God, should he not continue his strong ideals and share his life with his children?
Priestess Ygraine, I am not saying that you are wrong, but am stating a different perspective. As I do not have children, I cannot speak with the perspective that you can.
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In fact, I consider him exactly the same as a drug user in terms of parenting.
Ok, I do disagree with you regarding this. Drug use is purely selfish and destructive. The same cannot be said about Irwin. Those around Steve and around the world, are not saying that he was selfish and has neglected his children. In fact, he has given them something that most humans never have. True love and passion. His two children will continue with his enthusiasm and passion, and will make a dramatic contribution to animal conservation.
I will finish off with a quote from Steve, which captures his enthusiasm.
"I am a wildlife warrior. And I will fight to the death for wildlife." - Steve Irwin
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#186764 - 09/06/06 08:28 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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"When in another's lair...."
I think that this needs to be extended upon. To use half the quote does not do it justice.
When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
Is not conservation and building the passion for it to be considered respect? Irwin was always aware that he could meet his demise whilst working with animals, but pressed forward in the interest of conservation.
I used half the quote because anyone who doesn't know the rest should not be here.
Yes, conservation is respectful, prodding and handling unwilling animals for the sake of entertainment is not.
As I said, kudos to him if he did real conservation work of consequence, but he still loses points for being an ass with animals for the sake of drooling television audiences or his own need for attention.
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#186766 - 09/06/06 10:44 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Is not conservation and building the passion for it to be considered respect?
I'm not trying to sound morbid when I say the following, and in fact I'm completely serious. The stingray didn't feel respected whatsoever.
Bottom line, if Steve Irwin's passions were his family and wildlife conservation, he would have at some point realized that he can help out both of those causes much better alive than dead, and he would have ceased his reckless behavior. I've watched the Jeff Corwin show many times, and he provides education about nature and animals, but he doesn't take the foolish risks Steve Irwin was known for. He gets the job done just fine, and at the end of the day, he's alive and goes back to his family.
Irwin was always aware that he could meet his demise whilst working with animals, but pressed forward in the interest of conservation.
You call it pressed forward. I call it continuing to show disregard for his own safety, which is also something I call blatant stupidity. Once again, he could have done the job and spread awareness without the reckless antics.
Taking the perspective of being HIS own God, should he not continue his strong ideals and share his life with his children?
His own god? When was it decided that Steve Irwin was a Satanist?
"I am a wildlife warrior. And I will fight to the death for wildlife." - Steve Irwin
Sounds like a martyr, not someone who is his own god.
I understand that Steve Irwin will be missed by many, including many members of this board. He might even be a hero to many of you. That's fine. But I think it's foolish to turn a blind eye to the man's faults now that he's dead.
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#186768 - 09/06/06 11:21 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I think that this needs to be extended upon. To use half the quote does not do it justice.
When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
Is not conservation and building the passion for it to be considered respect? Irwin was always aware that he could meet his demise whilst working with animals, but pressed forward in the interest of conservation.
Silly me! I was under the impression that those posting here would know the rest. Moreover I am dubious that the kind of folks who need to watch someone nearly get bit, stung, or eaten to awaken their understanding of conservation are likely candidates for check writing.
A couple of names---Cousteau, Fossey, Goodall, Adams, Hannah and that bad boy Marlon Perkins encouraged just as much without the antics. Several gave their lives as well.
Oh, and if you're in my lair and you want to save me, try to do it without putting your hand up my skirt, or holding me upside down.
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Any footage shows how close he was with his family. Then I ask, what of those within the Military who have family. Is their active duty to be considered putting family second to their ideals? What if it is no longer an ideal, but purely work?
Steve was very close with his family Priestess, I would go as far as saying he was a role model as to how many fathers should be.
1. I don't doubt he loved his family. I doubt he was responsible about that love.
2. You're intensely naive if you think how a family acts in public or in still pictures is proof of shit. I can show you a decade's worth of "documentation" of one "happy" family....you'd never know the level of dysfunction that was their day to day existence. Doubt can set you free, friend.
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My opinion is that more would do well to have parents who love their children the way Steve Irwin did.
Love without responsibility is just a word.
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This does not mean that he should put his ideals second. Should children become one's life when they are born, or share it? Taking the perspective of being HIS own God, should he not continue his strong ideals and share his life with his children?
Priestess Ygraine, I am not saying that you are wrong, but am stating a different perspective. As I do not have children, I cannot speak with the perspective that you can.
With modern medicine and contraception there is not a single excuse for bringing a human life into the world if one doesn't intend to make that child the number one focus. Its not a cat or a dog but a human life created by the parent in its own image---what could be more god-like?
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Ok, I do disagree with you regarding this. Drug use is purely selfish and destructive. The same cannot be said about Irwin. Those around Steve and around the world, are not saying that he was selfish and has neglected his children. In fact, he has given them something that most humans never have. True love and passion. His two children will continue with his enthusiasm and passion, and will make a dramatic contribution to animal conservation.
I will finish off with a quote from Steve, which captures his enthusiasm.
"I am a wildlife warrior. And I will fight to the death for wildlife." - Steve Irwin
You presuppose quite a bit. I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of his children ends up resenting animals and the movement that cost their father his life. At the least their subconscious will be asking "why wasn't I enough?"
As I said, I admired the man, but now there are two fatherless kids in the world. He took unessacary risks, but they will pay for it for a lifetime.
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#186770 - 09/06/06 11:35 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I used half the quote because anyone who doesn't know the rest should not be here.
I do understand and agree Magister Svengali. I expanded to provide support for my point. I also add that as this in the the 'public' area, there could be those who would take quote out of context.
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Yes, conservation is respectful, prodding and handling unwilling animals for the sake of entertainment is not.
As I said, kudos to him if he did real conservation work of consequence, but he still loses points for being an ass with animals for the sake of drooling television audiences or his own need for attention.
I do understand and respect your opinion, even if we do disagree with whether his motives were conservation or attention. I do, however, believe that there is supporting evidence to prove that conservation was his major motivation.
It was not an either/or proposal. He was obviously motivated by conservation and the desire for attention.
The conservation motive is good.
The desire for attention is irrelevant except for the part that impelled him to invade the space of wild animals and harrass them for the sake of public entertainment under the guise of "education."
If an animal snaps at you or tries to escape, it is fairly sound to interpret the message as "fuck off and leave me alone."
In this sense he was invading lairs and being disrespectful to the animals.
As Rev. Ygraine has pointed out, other naturalists have been able to present wildlife in great detail without obnoxiously forcing themselves on the animals.
In that respect he was an asshole.
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#186774 - 09/07/06 01:14 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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This is pretty much my line of thinking. Any wild snake and pretty much any reptile will have precisely one reaction to a human or anything other than a prey animal or a mate, and that is "fuck off." Snakes are all solitary animals and have no desire to interact with you (yes, this includes your pet ball python; pet snakes may tolerate your contact but trust me, it won't care in the slightest if you never touch it).
A moment of irritation for the animal sometimes does good, however. Scientific study and education will by necessity require that the animals will not really "like" what's going on. That's a shame, but there's nothing to be done for it. The best we can do is to not harm the animal and to put it right back where we found it, something Irwin was pretty insistent on doing (to all appearances anyway) on his show. I don't bother speculating what he did off camera, because I never saw him off camera.
So yes, Magister Svengali is correct in his assessment that none of the animals Mr. Irwin encountered were happy to see him, hence why they fled and struck. The alternative would have been to use long range lenses to film the animals, but that makes for just another "boring" nature show that wouldn't have gotten any mass appeal. Yes, as a purist I favor those shows and I actually favor reptile shows (from what little I've seen) like Mark O'Shea, who is a herper's herper. However, O'Shea just hasn't gotten the public imagination like Irwin did and hasn't brought the same kind of common man respect for the animals, and therefore also hasn't made the same kind of money that was rolled back into conservation. I'll never argue that Irwin was the paragon of all that is "right" about how to herp or handle animals, only that in his case the good outweighed the bad.
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#186775 - 09/07/06 05:44 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I think Irwin understood that, and used that to get people's attention. He could reach the folks who wouldn't be caught dead watching National Geographic or Wild Kingdom. And he could cash in on that and finance the things that mattered most to him (namely his conservation work) as well as get other people to help finance them.
I guess there is some validity to that, however repulsive it is.
I'm of the opinion that the best thing humans can do for wildlife is to stay the fuck away from it. That especially goes for little Johnny.
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#186777 - 09/07/06 10:06 AM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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This is pretty much my line of thinking. Any wild snake and pretty much any reptile will have precisely one reaction to a human or anything other than a prey animal or a mate, and that is "fuck off." Snakes are all solitary animals and have no desire to interact with you (yes, this includes your pet ball python; pet snakes may tolerate your contact but trust me, it won't care in the slightest if you never touch it).
I completley agree with you on this notion. Not only for snakes but for most wild life animals. Humans are the most destructive creatures in this world and have a way of ruining things while in the proccess of trying to preserve it. Mr. Irwin failed many of the Sins. One law comes to mind when viewing Mr. Irwin in an animals habitat, "If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy"
He was a masochist working towards his own death.
He got exactly that.
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#186778 - 09/07/06 12:05 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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the reason steve died was because the bullray felt trapped
Apparently as has been reported on the news day in and day out since his death, is that the cameraman was swimming in front and steve on top and the bullray felt trapped and reacted...
this is one time he did not handle the animal but was nearby.
there is apparently video footage of the last moments, as i have heard on the news, the last moments played out something along these lines....
steve and cameraman swimming and recording for the documentary, Steve gets the bullrays barb straight through his chest piercing right through his heart, he pulls it out and dies on the spot and dissapears underwater, cameraman stops recording.
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#186779 - 09/07/06 05:48 PM
Crikey! Watch me ride this ray, matey! --oh fuck, matey! I'm dead!
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In that respect he was an asshole.
He was not an asshole. He was the whole ass.
It just occurred to me--if you really think about the positioning of it all, a stingray's barb is on it's tail--and mechanically shoots upwards. Considering they generally do not attack or even actively defend themselves, how could he have gotten stabbed in the heart unless he was mistreating the ray? If he were stabbed in the leg, maybe, but the heart is a pretty damned cumbersome target for a ray, unless he had his chest above and to the rear. Why?--unless he was trying to ride the thing.
I recognize that it is circumstantial, and I leave room for error here, but my money says he was trying to ride the thing--expecting it to just lay back and accept it, and got exactly what he deserved.
I hope some of the animal rights assholes are clever enough to consider this possibility and demand the video be examined for evidence of animal cruelty. Perhaps P.E.T.A can be prodded into playing front-man?
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#186781 - 09/07/06 06:33 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Personally, I admire a person who lived doing what he loved and made himself remembered after death. But “dying doing what you love” is not my idea of success. He could have lived longer (and help more animals) by being a little more careful.
I agree with your sentiments. I enjoyed his talent, but he had it coming.
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#186784 - 09/08/06 12:31 AM
Re: The stingrays don't care about police opinions...
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#186785 - 09/08/06 01:22 AM
Re: Tribute.
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As some amongst us have been really cut up over this TV personality's death I attach here a small tribute.
I hope it remembers his work in a fitting manner and perhaps goes some way to relieving your grief.
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368647-irwin04.jpg (112 downloads)
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#186793 - 09/08/06 07:27 AM
Re: Tribute.
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oh hell... HAHAHAHA!!!!
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#186795 - 09/08/06 07:27 PM
Re: Tribute.
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Ay, matey--let's throw a gimp on the barbee. 'ow 'bout Steve?
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#186797 - 09/10/06 02:02 PM
Re: Crikey! Watch me ride this ray, matey! --oh fuck, matey! I'm dead!
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If he were stabbed in the leg, maybe, but the heart is a pretty damned cumbersome target for a ray, unless he had his chest above and to the rear. Why?--unless he was trying to ride the thing.
As I understood, the stingray was hidden in the sand and he hit it accidentally. The poison seemed to have cause the heart failure.
I presume that a guy who has tackled countless of dangerous animals without dying knows about the risks. Though stingray's attacks are rare, they are quite serious.
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#186798 - 09/10/06 02:31 PM
How I came to know Steve Irwin
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I have never seen one of his show, but only a footage where he put out an anaconda from a river. My boss introduced me to him with it, mentionning how the guy was crazy enough to have put his toddler in the mouth of a crocodile.
As I read about his death, I made the connection that it was the same crazy guy. Maybe now, people talk about his commitment to wildlife conservation, but I doubt that it was a clear idea conveyed by some of his shows, according to my first acknowledgement of him. How many will remember him as a crazy guy, a freak? How many as a wildlife conservatist?
I certainly acknowledge that he has a particular talent with dangerous animals, and he found a way to market it, so to speak. But I doubt that showing people how to handle dangerous animals will help wildlife conservation. The humen species are dominating all other animals on the surface of the earth (but certainly not underwater). If they are too much snakes, crocodiles or insects somewhere, humen will take the steps to extermine them or diminish their number. Dangerous animals cannot be trusted, so they cannot live with humen like cats.
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#186799 - 09/10/06 03:47 PM
Re: How I came to know Steve Irwin
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But I doubt that showing people how to handle dangerous animals will help wildlife conservation.
From what I have read in this topic so far, I believe he has set up wildlife conservation trusts with the money he made primarily from the shows. This should help wildlife conservation somewhat.
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#186800 - 09/12/06 01:54 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
[Re: IX Von ZehEhv]
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And now it seems that some idiots are avenging Irwin's death. Nice legacy.
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#186802 - 09/12/06 02:08 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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I expected as much.
Here they have surfing tournaments in shark infested water. The surfers have to jump over sharks to get out to the waves. Inevitably one of the morons gets bit and all the other morons start hunting sharks.
Like I say, animals are better than people.
People are the problem, not the animals.
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#186807 - 09/12/06 07:17 PM
Too Much to Bear.
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This sort of thing happens up here too. Every time a bear mauls some foolish camper who keeps food in his tent or does not change his clothes after cleaning fish the good ole boys form a posse and set off full of cheap domestic beer for a retalliation. I remember years ago in British Columbia, two teens were fishing and a bear happened upon their campsite. The moron "hid" his fish by stuffing them in his shirt. Balloo simply took a swipe at the source of the smell and took a large chunk of the kid with it. And PRESTO! out came the townsfolk with shotguns askew and wound up shooting two bears, one horse and a guy wearing a Daniel Boone cap! I DID NOT make that up. I wont' be surprised if FOX now does a special "WHEN STINGRAYS GO BAD!!!" People are stupid. 
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#186808 - 09/12/06 07:30 PM
Re: Steve Irwin 'The Crocodile Hunter' is dead
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Those people are fools. That would have been the last thing Steve Irwin would have wanted. Idiots abound. 
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My thoughts exactly.
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