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#188847 - 09/18/06 06:31 AM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Charlotte]
dragondancer Offline

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If you have the time to do some reading, two other books that might help in addition to The Satanic Witch are,
Robert Greene's The 48 Laws of Power and The Gentle Art of Verbal Self Defense by Suzette Haden Elgin.

I would also quote Magister Nemo here, "When you stop feeling any need to justify your existence to anyone else, that is when you have truly accepted yourself as your own god." Wrap your mind around that.



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#188848 - 09/18/06 07:01 AM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Charlotte]
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You're not being nice, you're being afraid.

Taking a stand and not allowing people to walk all over you does not require a personality change. You just have to use your backbone. But first you have to overcome your fear. I know a girl who is just like you in this way, and I realize how hard it is to do, but it's as simple as that.
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#188849 - 09/18/06 12:57 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Charlotte]
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There's nothing contradictory about a submissive Satanist. Not everyone is a take-charge go-getter twelve-o'clock personality, and no one says you have to be the leader of every situation. If you're happy letting someone else take the alpha role, then there's no point in making yourself miserable by engaging in pointless one-upmanship.

Even taking the submissive streak to the extreme, such as is found in a BDSM lifestyle slave, can still be perfectly Satanic, so long as they're in it for the right reasons. I've known a few of these slaves, and I can tell you it takes considerable self-knowledge and reserves of inner strength for them to keep to their chosen lifestyle. "Submissive" does not automatically equal "weak".

If, as you say, you find your reputation is getting a bit too "doormatty", then I can only echo what everyone else has said and refer you back to The Satanic Witch. Do not try to "change your personality". You just need to tweak your reputation a bit. With judicious use of the techniques in TSW, you can easily start to give the impression that sure, you're soft on the outside, but it would be a Very Bad Idea to try to push you too far.

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#188850 - 09/18/06 09:49 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Asmedious]
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I am also very sensitive, and my feelings are easily hurt.






Others do not hurt our feeling. We are the only ones who can hurt our feelings by what we tell ourselves about a certain situation. For example, if someone says that we are useless, it does not make us so. Those are only words, but if we let the words affect us, then we might feel that they are right. If I may, I would like to suggest that you research "Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy" also known as R.E.B.T, by Dr. Albert Ellis. He has some very good ways of dealing with feelings, and our perceptions and reactions to them.




I am in definite agreement here. Dr Ellis writes very clearly, especially in Guide to Rational Living, which is written for the general public rather than for other therapists. I really enjoy his ascerbic style.

Regardless of what one considers the personality to be, some of one's behaviors are more useful than others. One can modify these behaviors -- some more easily than others, of course.

Charlotte, this can be a lot of fun -- start with small issues for practice. You are stronger than you think!
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#188851 - 09/18/06 10:51 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Charlotte]
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I would go with the latter. The trick is to work with nature not against it.




Philosophically, I lean toward this perspective, but admittedly have a hard time putting it into practice. Would you be so kind as to furnish a hypothetical situation in which this principle could be demonstrated?




No, I cant think of any hypothetical situation for you without sounding like a smart-ass. Quit complaining and start living. Take the advice you have been given by everyone here, it may keep you busy for a while.
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#188852 - 09/19/06 12:25 AM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Charlotte]
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I get tired of people attempting to take advantage of me or use me as a doormat.



People who do this do not respect you and are not your friends.

I suggest keeping better company, and if those who grow tiresome are people you live with, then find a way to reach a satisfactory accord or move out.

Though it is tempting in theory to try to make your life better by changing other people, this almost never works in practice.

People will be who they will be, and only they can change who they are, though a million illusions would suggest otherwise.

Beware the desire to control the lives of others. The price for doing so is losing control over your own life.

Others may reasonably disagree, but I have seen this principle demonstrated again and again.

Know thyself, and to thyself be true.

If everyone did that, the world would be a better place.

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I am also very sensitive, and my feelings are easily hurt.



This is probably because you look to others for something you can only find within yourself: self-esteem.

Though I don't know you personally, I strongly suspect you don't know yourself personally, either.

Be honest with yourself, accept that which you like about yourself and resolve to change that which you don't like, and you will find your dependence on the opinions of others will diminish -- and possibly even vanish.

You have already expressed a desire to change yourself, but you may be pleasantly surprised at how little you actually need to change to be happy with who you are.

Don't ask for permission to be free.

The only limits which truly bind you are those you impose upon yourself.

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#188853 - 09/19/06 10:46 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Charlotte]
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Why change your personality? That would be pointless. Doing so will just look fake, and you wont be too satisfied by trying to be a way that youre not. I think your best solution is to find a way to make your personality work FOR you, rather than against you.

I agree with what others have said about how YOU are the one who hurts your feelings, not others. If you think others hurt your feelings, it is only because you are hurting yourself by allowing your feelings to be hurt.

Dont worry about what others think of you. Just be who you are and revel in it!
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#188854 - 09/20/06 06:43 AM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Charlotte]
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By nature, I am very easygoing and polite to a fault. I would rather concede an argument to another person than get into a big messy row.

The problem is, people perceive me as fragile, submissive, and ultra-feminine. Though this is not entirely inaccurate, I get tired of people attempting to take advantage of me or use me as a doormat. I am also very sensitive, and my feelings are easily hurt.

My question is, should I change my personality, and to what degree? Or should I work within the bounds of what comes naturally to me, and turn it to my advantage?

All thoughts are welcome.

Thank you.




As well as following up the books suggested by others, you may find it beneficial to check out 'The Book of No' by Susan Newman.

I read it earlier this year after stumbling on it in Borders here in the UK, and found it an interesting read - I've never particularly thought of myself as a 'Yes Man' but reading this made me realise I do say Yes to people far more than I need, or really want to!
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#188855 - 09/20/06 08:17 AM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Charlotte]
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By nature, I am very easygoing and polite to a fault. I would rather concede an argument to another person than get into a big messy row.

The problem is, people perceive me as fragile, submissive, and ultra-feminine. Though this is not entirely inaccurate, I get tired of people attempting to take advantage of me or use me as a doormat. I am also very sensitive, and my feelings are easily hurt.

My question is, should I change my personality, and to what degree? Or should I work within the bounds of what comes naturally to me, and turn it to my advantage?

All thoughts are welcome.

Thank you.




The Satanic Witch has what you need.

The problem here is that you merely read it.

You didn't APPLY it.

Figure out where you sit on the clock, and exploit those differences.
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#255084 - 07/11/07 03:09 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Chess]
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I agree with your argument. And I think that the idea that Satanists are a "alpha male" kind of people is not necessarily correct. Of course - the best example are women themselves. They for instance, and it seems to me that this gift is bestowed upon them by nature, can assert control over other people, without being in the leading position.
And I just might add that taking the seemingly weaker role might in terms of the Satanic be a more prudent choice. I should take my own advice, though, as I am often the "alpha male" kind of guy, which sometimes leads me into a lot of trouble.

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#255233 - 07/11/07 09:20 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Corvus]
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i agree corvus...i am too quite an alpha male.
which i also need to work on...but hell hath no fury like a womans
scorn...especially a satanist woman.
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#255235 - 07/11/07 09:28 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: cradledeth]
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Man.


Here, I thought it was 'a woman SCORNED'.

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#255237 - 07/11/07 09:48 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: euol]
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well i can see when someone is not welcome. ive been met with nothing but sarcasm and insults. i thought talking to fellow satanists would be good for my faith. apparently not.
good bye
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pissing in contempt
on the effigies of the weak
killing all resolve
the great beast simmers,his scarlet women
spit their vitriol
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#255239 - 07/11/07 09:55 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: Enchantress]
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 Originally Posted By: Enchantress
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Or should I work within the bounds of what comes naturally to me, and turn it to my advantage?


<img src="/lttd/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I would recommend reading The Satanic Witch by Anton LaVey - it will help tremendously.


Tee hee!

I concur!

A Witch can be whom ever she chooses to be on ANY given day and in any circumstance.

Signed,
The Kooky cookie lady down the street.........

PS: These kids now know all about the Industrial Revolution! I taught them that....... (Eve Smiles).

Hail Satan!
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#255240 - 07/11/07 09:55 PM Re: Too submissive? [Re: cradledeth]
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 Originally Posted By: cradledeth
well i can see when someone is not welcome. ive been met with nothing but sarcasm and insults. i thought talking to fellow satanists would be good for my faith. apparently not.
good bye


Faith?

GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Courtesy of Magister Rose) who no, I do not nor never will speak for. His words however sum it all up!

Did you ever think that maybe you ARE NOT a Satanist and that Satanist can see through you as if you were clear glass?

WE ARE ELITE. WE ARE OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUALS. We...... are not callow.

Take that to bed with you.
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