#190294 - 09/27/06 03:42 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I am a Satanism because of who I am, not what I like or dislike.
I find the behaviour you describe to common amongst anyone who was raised Christion and then left to be part of another religion. Specifically those who are fresh into a new religion. I also find it more common with Wiccans than any other religion.
Sometimes they grow out of this phase. Most of the time not. Just move on and find someone who actually has something worth talking about.
Edited by tovasshi (09/27/06 03:43 PM)
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#190295 - 09/27/06 03:56 PM
No.
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I have nothing too strongly against Christians and Christianity. They do not feature too strongly in My life, and do not affect it much. I am the thing that affects My life the most strongly. I would love for the Christian church to have more of a clue of the meaning of "social responsibility", and pay taxes rather than leech off society, but hey. A friend of no particular religious leaning said to Me recently that if I were to take political control, people could attempt to cause Me disfavour by showing My affiliation with, for example, the Church of Satan. "But then I suppose you'd make Satanism the official religion". I certainly would not! Any such "conversion" of the populus is impossible and pointless, as we Satanists know. I personally am quite happy for the official state religion to be some kind of harmless breed of christianity, albeit with a few strands of responsibility added. Perhaps Protestantism (good work ethic) plus taxation of churches. Religions of the Right Hand Path, if used properly, are a good tool for keeping the masses in their place. Read Nietzsche 
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#190297 - 09/27/06 04:25 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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alot of satanists i've met How many “Satanists” do you suppose you have met? I personally don’t hate anyone as long as they leave me the hell alone.
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#190298 - 09/27/06 04:57 PM
Not at all.
[Re: captain_howdy]
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are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
I am a Satanist (capital "S") because I was born with that inclination, read, studied and embraced Satanic philosophy and have a deep and abiding respect for reality.
Christians? Moslems? Jews? Buddhists? To quote from "Hymn of the Satanic Empire":
"We don't need them anymore."
Their views are irrelevant to living an enjoyable and fulfilling life.
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#190300 - 09/27/06 05:08 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I am going to echo a few sentiments that have already been expressed. First of all, how many actual Satanists have you met? I know people who just rant on and on about how much they hate christianity, but they aren't satanists. I don't agree with the comment that people who hate christianity are typically the ones who were brought up with it. I was raised Methodist. I decided at a young age that since my mom didn't have to go to church and church was boring, I wasn't going either. I dabbled in some other christian faiths, tried some pagan stuff, and eventually read what would change my life forever.. or rather make me realize what I've been trying to hide. I think "hating" christianity is something people voice because maybe they think it's cool, or they just want to rebel. I don't hate anyone, as long as they stay out of my way. So, people that are loud about hating christians and christianity, really just need to grow up and realize that some religious group isn't the reason why their lives are screwed up - THEY are.
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#190301 - 09/27/06 05:15 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: captain_howdy]
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The Satanists you know.. are these the ones with corpse paint and black metal shirts on? Coz that group of 'pseudo' Satanists are in every city. Just asking..
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#190302 - 09/27/06 05:15 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I am a Satanist because I was born that way.
I am resentful of people who are idiots completely without regard for color or religious "belief".
If you are a "satanist" because you hate someone or some group, you may want to re-think your lifetyle management program.
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#190303 - 09/27/06 07:14 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I tend to get irritated when I waste my time having a conversation or interacting with anyone who is unable to think for themselves, regardless of their religious affiliation or lack of.
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#190306 - 09/27/06 09:16 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Actually, if you listen to me a while, I tend to say more disparaging things about Muslims and Wiccans. (Though, Christians get their turn, too.)
I have numerous Christian friends and acquaintances, and I like to study Christian culture and theology (and other religions) for fun. I disagree fundamentally with the majority of the religion's tenets, but that doesn't mean I dwell on it or stew over it.
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#190308 - 09/28/06 12:11 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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When I was about 13, I realized Christianity was not the way to go and dropped it as a religion. I was upset about this, as I had been born into a Christian family. Learning, at that age, that you have been mislead and outright lied to your entire life can understandably make one angry. And I was.
I would talk about what a sham it was. I would have long conversations with my friends about why we felt Christianity was bunk. The kids at school who would ask about why I rejected their belief system would get an earful. I would engage them in vitriolic debates in which there was no winner.
Somewhere along the way, I grew up.
Now I don't think about Christianity unless directly confronted with it. Even then, I usually find subtle ways to diffuse so that it won't affect me.
I just have better things to worry about. Things that directly affect me - like where the Hell did I put my car keys, or since when did a bag of M&Ms cost $1.25, etc...
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#190310 - 09/28/06 03:30 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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hung up on how much they hate christians and are resentful towards god
Why would the Satanist resent a "god" that we know does not exist.
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alot of satanists i've met, known or know
I would like to know how many of the Satanist's you have met wear Marilyn Manson hoodies and tight leather jeans, with spikes round their necks, heavy leather boots, black nail varnish and black lipstick (both men & women) and have marks along their wrist's. I have meet many stereotypes but suggesting you are a Satanist just by knowing the basics or even not knowing anything damages the image of the true Satanist. I doubt you have read the Satanic Bible.
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i wonder how much of this hate factor plays a part in why they are a satanist?
I don't think this question is about the people you have met, I think you are targeting this one at everyone of us here, if so then I suggest you leave with your stereotypical view's, you are not wanted here.
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#190312 - 09/28/06 06:19 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: IMMORTAL809]
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Um, no.
You see the way religion works is it evolves. 2000+ years ago, religion wasn't taken as seriously as it is today. People traveled a lot. There was no tv, telephone, and hardly anything to read for people to spread the word. SO religions were very much local or personal things.
If someone went somehwere and they liked an aspect of said religion they would take it back with them and use it as part of their personal belief system.
Read the story of the god Osirus. He died, and came back to life. He baptised his followers with water and he promised eternal life through him.
The Jesus story itself is older than 2000 years. They discovered it sprouted in a Babylonian religion, where Yahwey was the cow god in a pantheon.
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#190313 - 09/28/06 06:25 AM
Re: I Am Not Resentful
[Re: captain_howdy]
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On the contrary, my dear boy. I like these exponents of theology very much. It keeps them servile. Perfect for someone such as myself. That is to say, someone who is a member of the natural born royalty who was never born to serve, labour or subjugate themselves to religious or social mores. What seperates me from all manner of social misfits (some of whom call themselves Satanists) is that I have a great love of people. A great love of humanity with all its foibles. And that enables me to move through life with great ease. The Devil loves mamkind as he is. And accepts him. It is God based religions that sets the parameters in opposition to man's true nature. God hates man. The Devil does not. I am the Devil. And I'm here to do the Devil's work. 
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#190314 - 09/28/06 01:42 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Though I don't have much time for Christianity, I don't hold resentment towards Christians. They can believe what they want as long as they don't throw it in my face and try to convert me. I've always had Satanic beliefs, but not because of resentment.
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#190316 - 09/28/06 03:54 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I don't hate anyone because of their religion. I think it's rather stupid and ignorant. I may not agree with their religious doctrine but if they're cool with me and tend not to rub it in my face, then I'm cool with them. These so-called "Satanists" that are resenting a god that doesn't exist and hating people who worship it are the ones who don't get it and are trying too hard. HS! 
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#190317 - 09/28/06 07:21 PM
Re: "trying too hard"
[Re: Callier]
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You are too cool for words.  Well written, nevertheless! Thank you!
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#190318 - 09/28/06 07:45 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I most certaintly am not! I am only resentful towards the midget that lives behind my toilet and I am a Satanist because my pop tarts told me I was. Unless my midget is a Christian then I need to reformulate all my ideas. Oh God! why are you here???!!!
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#190319 - 09/28/06 10:23 PM
Re: "trying too hard"
[Re: Nemo]
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You are too cool for words.
Well written, nevertheless!
Thank you!
You're most welcome Magister.
Yey! I got props from Nemo! 
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#190320 - 09/28/06 10:35 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 12/08/05
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It was fun in the 80s to hate Xtians. But it got old once public enemy fucked up Anthrax...but I digress Over the past 15-20 years I've learned a lot about stress and time management, and one thing's for sure, as long as the Hallelujah's don't fuck with me, I couldn't care less if they end up in meat grinders, crucified or whatever bondage fetish they see themselves in in the afterlife etc. To quote Ozzy "I have enough trouble trying to conjure my ass out of bed in the morning let alone some devil!" I prefer the Doc's method of purging oneself from any resentment toward "white lighters" by perhaps a Black Mass if it's absolutely necessary for cathartic purposes of course. Other than that, I don't waste hate on cretins, just those who go out of their way to cause me or those close to me discomfort. Let em blow themselves up or flagellate, more power to them; I'll provide the vaseline and motion lotion.
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#190321 - 09/29/06 12:57 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 07/24/06
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Personally.....NO I couldnt care less about Xtians or other religious denominations. I find their own delusions and inabiliity to do anything but be a leech on society quite amusing. Like all leeches they eventually implode and die
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#190324 - 09/29/06 04:51 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: JonShirley]
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Registered: 04/21/06
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Thats a good question
No it was'nt, it was one of those question's that get's brought up alot and the people who write these daft post's should be banned, after all they have no knowledge of the the Satanic philosophy, as you can see within their writting's and you should have not replied without making your introduction first.
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#190328 - 09/29/06 12:03 PM
Re: Much More
[Re: Yinta]
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>> Satanism is just a label the herd has put on me.
Nothing more and nothing less. <<
Actually, it's much, much more than that.
You are way off the mark with that statement.
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#190329 - 09/29/06 12:12 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 09/04/06
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The only thing I resent from christians is their hierarchy and the way they influence on politics, especially in my country. I hate it when the "Cardinal" talks to the media about birth control politics and Free Trade Agreements, I sincerely say that I fucking hate that. They should go to their temple and preach their non-sense to those who need it, and never leave that place!! They fuck people´s minds by teaching religion in school, they print "GUILT" all over their foreheads! 
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#190330 - 09/29/06 01:43 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Evil_Eve]
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Eve...
im not sure what relevence my answer has to this question that your responding on my post, whilst answering the question of the thread starter...
however i did find your response interesting and whilst there are a few points on which i agree with and disagree with, i am curious to what your thoughts are to this little grey area.
You say that anyone who enters a religion based on anger etc etc should not cross your path.
Whilst most people realise straight away that they are born a Satanist, there are some people, who do not, and through certain events and anger choose to rebel and as is true to the semantic meaning of Satan, they fly to the adversary...
at the forefront they see "pop culture poster pseudo-Satanists" to use as an example for illustrative purposes, death metal bands and the like. Those are the rebelious fucktards that we as Satanists shun..
but going a little further...
what about those individuals, who go past that idiotic facade and once their anger subsides, they actually pick up a copy of the Satanic bible and read and resonate and realise, that they were a Satanists all along...and had it not been for their rebellious streak or anger, they would not have figured out who and what they truelly are..
Whilst what i have said is purely for illustrative purposes, what i am trying to say in effect is, some people realise early on that they are different and have that freedom of clarity to pursue it until they find their answer, while other people for some reason or another may spend their entire lives walking with thier eyes wide shut, until they realise.or something makes them realise.
We have all had our series of events in our lives that have made us pick up a copy of the Satanic Bible in the first place and realise who and what we are, just the road we took to get here was different.
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#190331 - 09/29/06 02:22 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 09/09/06
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Personally, because I grew up in a christian home I can see why this may become an issue for some. It would seem to me that those who feel this way are missing out on something in a way.
I personally hold no resentment at all towards the idea of God, heaven, or even christians for that matter. The reason being is simple. It just not real. It's not really there. I have found these teachings to be fake, and a mere plot for world domination by certain political and ethnic orders. Now my point is this: If in my opinion something does not exist, then how can it have any affect on me emotionally whatsoever? How can I take any sort of adverse view on it if it holds no bearing on me at all? In short, how can I hate something that's just simply not there? By me dedicating any sort of emotion to it whatsoever, I've already indulged my mind to it's false reality. In essence, I've performed Sorcery on myself.
In addition, as much as I LOVE the music of Slayer, this is something I've never understood about them. They openly claim to believe in neither god nor devil, which I agree. Why then do they choose to use almost 100% of their lyrical talent constantly slamming him? Or his church? Or even the belief in him for that matter? Why does hating the notion of his existence seem to be their primary theme? I'll tell you why. Because it's not the notion of his existance they hate...it's the fact that he doesn't exist at all that troubles them. How they obviously wish they didn't have to "keep their Bible in a pool of blood, so that none of it's lies can affect them." How they long to lean on "the Solid Rock", yet fall flat on their faces each time they try, thus the hatred. Some consider them to be a Satanic band...I see nothing Satanic in them whatsoever. Or is it me that's missing "The Satanic Point"?
So now I turn the question around. Suppose for a moment that you do not believe that aliens exist. Do you therefore feel a need to resent them? If you do, then you've alredy accepted their existence in your mind whether you realize or not. It's the same with God, Christianity, Buddism, Islam, Taoism, or whatever. Maybe it's time for some to re-examine their belief system.
I know this post may cause some controversy, and I look forward to your replies...c'mon...let me have it!!!
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#190333 - 09/29/06 03:10 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Lazarus]
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In addition, as much as I LOVE the music of Slayer, this is something I've never understood about them. They openly claim to believe in neither god nor devil, which I agree. Why then do they choose to use almost 100% of their lyrical talent constantly slamming him? Or his church? Or even the belief in him for that matter?
Personally, I see Slayer as a cash generating machine. Slayer makes a ton of cash because they are Slayer, and they do what is expected so the cash keeps rolling in. It might surprise you, but Tom Araya is a Christian, Catholic, if I am not mistaken.
Click here
From the interview with Tom Araya.
Westword: What's the biggest misconception people have about Slayer?
Tom Araya: The obvious one: the Satan stuff. I'm not here to fault anybody. And I hate to say this, but Christ came and taught us about love. About doing unto others. That was his preach: Accept each other for who we are. Live peacefully, and love one another. Period.
Westword: Do you believe in God?
Tom Araya: I believe in a supreme being, yeah. But He's an all-loving God.
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#190334 - 09/29/06 03:26 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Why such questions ?
> christianity : the veil blindfolding your eyes .
> Satanism : your eyes opened wide.
This is a choice, there is no WAR.
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#190336 - 09/29/06 04:30 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 08/31/06
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My primary thought was:
It is a rhetorical question, with a rhetorical answer.
A square you’re supposed to step in properly. And will. Of course.
I suppose I hate its underlying meaning, independently from what people believe their beliefs are. Rhetorical questions sometimes remind me of how important indicative language is for nearly everyone. And how little important it is to me.
I definitely dislike the symptoms, the need for creed and the use of accessory jargon, rather than the creeds. That tiny little moment of void when you hear that neat standard question or neat standard answer and realize you have once again bumped into the evidence people may hold on to opposite creeds/philosophies/ideas and still be the same.
My utmost achievement would be ”writing satanic” without even have to reach close any of its indicative “words”. Totally eradicate its clichés.
I have the feeling repeated use of standard words really dissolves the magic in them. Like that tune you're so very found of, you play over and over again until it turns into a cliché.
october1560.
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I see a bunch of men raging at the void, haunted by their own inventions. Absurd. Totally absurd.
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#190337 - 09/29/06 04:39 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: tovasshi]
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Registered: 09/29/06
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I'm a Satanist because I am. Not because of my irritance with other faiths. They may be weak, mindless sheep but they are still entitled to their opinions and their own beliefs.
I have a few very Christian friends who I very much enjoy because they give me different perspectives to look at things in.
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#190338 - 09/29/06 04:50 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Lust]
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Tom Araya: The obvious one: the Satan stuff. I'm not here to fault anybody. And I hate to say this, but Christ came and taught us about love. About doing unto others. That was his preach: Accept each other for who we are. Live peacefully, and love one another. Period.
I just wanted to add something to my other reply. I have no hatred toward Yeshua(Jesus) either. He did have some awesome views on certain things. Where he fell short was thinking that he was the messiah. It took him to his grave. Not very healthy in that aspect. Let's just take a moment here (with an open mind) to discect him as he really was:
He came along and challenged every view the Hebrew community had up until that point ~ He was an Anarchist.
He turned water into wine, walked on water, and feed thousands with very little ~ He was a Sorcerer.
He healed the sick, caused the lame to walk, and the blind to see. Hell, he even raised some from the dead. ~ He was a Witch/Warlock and a Necromancer.
He has, to date, conned millions of people worldwide into thinking that he is "The Way, The Truth, and The Light" ~ He was one slick Son-of-a-Bitch
Yet in the end, all it got him was two pieces of lumber, three nine-inch nails, and a Roman spear up his ass ~ He was a fucking idiot, yet an Idiot Savant...A true fucking genius.
These things have been recorded as happening not only in the Bible, but in various other legal historical documents as well, so there's a good chance they occured.
So when we look at it this way is it such a bad thing to ask ourselves, "What Would Jesus Do?"
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#190340 - 09/29/06 05:16 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Lazarus]
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I just wanted to add something to my other reply. I have no hatred toward Yeshua(Jesus) either. He did have some awesome views on certain things. Where he fell short was thinking that he was the messiah. It took him to his grave. Not very healthy in that aspect. Let's just take a moment here (with an open mind) to discect him as he really was:
He came along and challenged every view the Hebrew community had up until that point ~ He was an Anarchist.
He turned water into wine, walked on water, and feed thousands with very little ~ He was a Sorcerer.
He healed the sick, caused the lame to walk, and the blind to see. Hell, he even raised some from the dead. ~ He was a Witch/Warlock and a Necromancer.
He has, to date, conned millions of people worldwide into thinking that he is "The Way, The Truth, and The Light" ~ He was one slick Son-of-a-Bitch
Yet in the end, all it got him was two pieces of lumber, three nine-inch nails, and a Roman spear up his ass ~ He was a fucking idiot, yet an Idiot Savant...A true fucking genius.
These things have been recorded as happening not only in the Bible, but in various other legal historical documents as well, so there's a good chance they occured.
So when we look at it this way is it such a bad thing to ask ourselves, "What Would Jesus Do?"
Lo and behold; all this is fraud!
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#190344 - 09/29/06 06:55 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Lazarus]
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In addition, as much as I LOVE the music of Slayer, this is something I've never understood about them. They openly claim to believe in neither god nor devil, which I agree. Why then do they choose to use almost 100% of their lyrical talent constantly slamming him?
It's called entertainment.
Just like the rich gangsta rappers that talk about robbing and killing people.
Just like the wealthy wrestlers that act extremely hurt when they get barely slapped in the face.
There is reality and there is fantasy. A Satanist should easily find the difference between the two.
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#190345 - 09/29/06 07:18 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Callier]
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Agreed. I am an entertainer, a musician. As far as the rappers go, most of them have robbed, cheated, lied, raped, and killed.
And wrestlers really do get hurt at times
I clarified my views on Slayer on my other replies below. They're still one of my all-time favorites.
However, I tend to respect more those who base their musical expressions as well as capital gain on things they are positively passionate about.
Now take this for instance:
First, I am not a Toni Braxton fan. Yet she sings of love, and all the positive and negative aspects of it. I repect her because she uses her artform to propel the ideas of a certain system which she openly admonishes and adheres to. This is total honesty.
You happen to use a great musical icon of mine as your Avatar; Sammy Davis, Jr. When did he ever spout off inadequacies of his convictions just to make a buck? Never, that I know of.
If you really believe what you say about Slayer, then you are agreeing that they are complete hypocritical sellouts, only after the money, and completely bastardizing a beautiful form of artistic expression just to get rich.
As you stated, there is fantasy, and there is reality
This, I percieve to be reality.
By the way, I hope I didn't come off as seeming mad or defensive! I really love a good debate, I respect your opinions, and I thank you for your reply!
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#190346 - 09/29/06 07:27 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Lazarus]
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However, I tend to respect more those who base their musical expressions as well as capital gain on things they are positively passionate about.
The music itself is always the most important issue. I can give a shit less about lyrical content.
I'm sure there are many artists that express themselves in a genuine aspect. If the music sucks, I'm not buying it.
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#190349 - 09/30/06 01:29 AM
Re: Much More
[Re: Yinta]
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>> always thought that with "They" was ment christianity... than again I guess my english is just bad... So who is ment with "They"? <<
Yes it is referring to Christianity.
But how do you interpret this as it being nothing more than a label that the herd place on us?
Certainly we accept the fact that they call us evil. It's water off a duck's back to us.
But Satan is more than a label placed upon us by them.
There is no contradiction.
Here's another quote for you:
"I have taken thy name as part of myself."
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#190354 - 09/30/06 09:12 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: WolfMoon]
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I found "Angel of Death" done as a midi file. I uploaded it to my new cell phone and set it as a ring tone. I'd like to hear some Slayer songs transcribed as jazz done on a B3.
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#190355 - 09/30/06 11:58 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
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alot of satanists i've met
There is a difference between those who use a title just to label themselves and those who are the title because that’s what they are. Research will give you the tools to discern the truth.
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#190356 - 10/01/06 04:56 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I think the most of the satanist give the christianity to much energy. The dead of the Cross will never come - this slaved religions are the top religions for a very long time. Satanism, Setianism, Thelema and many other New-Age Religions will never get one of the Top 5 Religions on the earth. Thats reality....the five biggest religions are the top 5 in thousand and more years too. Thats live - our world religions are the most popular religions and have millions of follower. A Satanic Kingdom is a dream of all of us in the next centurys 
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#190359 - 10/01/06 12:19 PM
My two pennies.
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Satanism is a very complicated thing that requires not only a high measure of intelligence, but a certain type of disposition to fully wrap your mind around.
Further, the word 'satan' already has a clear, albeit infantile and dualistic, meaning among the average 'joe sixpack' denizens of western society. To them the word is inseperably married to christian theology.
Given these two premises, it seems only logical many that not only don't, but probably can't get it will develop a malformed understanding of Satanism.
At first this may seem problematic, but it isn't.
Satanists are Satanists not only by philosophy but also by ability.
Those that are easily misdirected should be. Those that can get it will get it. Those that don't understand this aren't meant to.
HS,
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#190360 - 10/01/06 01:49 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Toisis]
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Toisis,
Have you seen, or read Rosemary's Baby? What is your opinion about the girl who was living with the Castevets, and jumped to her death?
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#190361 - 10/01/06 02:24 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Curatio]
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>> Satanism, Setianism, Thelema and many other New-Age Religions . . . You place Satanism in the same category as those silly religions? 
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#190362 - 10/01/06 02:26 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: tekku]
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That isnt ridicoulus - thats reality. The fucking world religions can nobody destroy in a little as 100yrs. This religions are more than 2000 yrs. the biggest and a popular religion...for the loosers...and the world followed the lossers in every way (Laws etc.). My dream is a satanic kindom with me as the King of all...or is the rang of the Imperator better than a King?  But this are dreams and fantasy - and were never reality.  I hope my english was a little bit better, because i can write more about my meanngs.
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#190364 - 10/01/06 06:13 PM
Simplicity
[Re: Dan_Dread]
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#190367 - 10/01/06 06:50 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Curatio]
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Thats reality....the five biggest religions are the top 5 in thousand and more years too.
Thats live - our world religions are the most popular religions and have millions of follower.
The way I think is diametrically opposed to the way a x-ian thinks. I'd be willing to bet the majority of the top 5 (if not all) promise greedy fulfillment in the 'afterlife.' I just smile, humor them and unapologetically take my greedy fulfillment in the hear and now. The more I observe x-ian people, the less I want to upset the apple cart, so many are so ferociously happy with their little ecosystem and the status quo, and so resistant to think or change. This was difficult for me to grasp because my nature is to question and think about everything and I enjoy doing so. Even when they bring up topics I disagree with, no point in arguing, as it has no positive result---just wastes my time and energy.
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#190368 - 10/01/06 07:33 PM
Re: Simplicity
[Re: leonor]
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I have to disagree with the first part of your sentence. It is in fact its challenging simplicity that makes it so hard for some people to grasp. Such simplicity does require a great deal of work.
Ahh but that is just it!
Satanism, unlike other religions, does not and can not be molded into the standard dualistic paradigm that other religions do.
Satanism does not work like the others, it is alien to them.
The overwhelming majority of people try to mold Satanism into what it isn't, that is into how they percieve it based on their entire worldview, because they are bound to.
Even to those not bound to the dualistic paradigm that runs our society, the tenets of Satanism, though simple unto themselves, become more complicated as they are tempered counterballanced by eachother.
Example, many take the idea of being ones own god to mean 'anything goes', disregarding that Satanists temper that with the addage, 'responsibility to the responsible'.
Satanism is very easy to take out of context if you are not looking at the whole picture, and to see it takes a keen intellect.
If you disagree, think back to the last time you met a stupid Satanist. Never? Right! That was a trick question.
Stupid Satanist is an oxymoron.
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#190370 - 10/02/06 01:06 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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you are sataniste if you are on the side of satan and on the side of the other dirigent of hell.....why? 
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#190371 - 10/02/06 01:08 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: sethalla]
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you are sataniste if you are on the side of satan and on the side of the other dirigent of hell.....why?
I'm not understanding your question....
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#190372 - 10/02/06 01:28 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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but take care if you are the side of satan and the other dirigent of hell you are sataniste but take care if satan lucifer and the other dirigent of hell are in your side because sometime they favorise other people organisation or country take care all the time in which side you are!  Hail satan
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#190373 - 10/02/06 01:48 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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i do not resent christians, i come from a catholic school, i was brought up as a catholic. i hope people here do have an understanding of the christian culture before they judge, and arent as narrow minded as some of the fuckwits out there.
i do however resent the church as i have watched it be the overriding reason for the decay of my family, but no, i am not a satanist because of this
its about individuality, make your own choice. well thats what i think
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#190375 - 10/02/06 09:17 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
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I wonder who these 'Satanists' are.
I do not hate christians. Hate takes a lot of energy I'd like to spend in better ways then hating a person who does not affect my personal life in any way.
I can hate individuals but not a person who happens to be part of a group.
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#190380 - 10/02/06 01:11 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Curatio]
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Ja ok...die erste sache..ich bin nicht deutscherin aber ich kann bisschen deutsch verstanden...
also dann...fur die dritte mal, ich sage, das ist alles egal fur die
Satanische mensch und machts nichts mit Satanismus
Ich glaube dass du muss nochmal lesen Die Satanische Bible und aller die anderer Bucher Von Herr Doktor LaVey, sowie die Pentagonal Revisionism an die CoS Webseite, und nur noch lesen aber Verstanden die Satanismus Filozofie und was er meint...
und fur might is right....Anton LaVey hat selbst gesagt dass dieser buch von Ragnar Redbeard war fur ihm einer inspiration.
Es gibt keine skandal dort und ich habe nichts mehr zu sagen and diese themen.
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#190382 - 10/02/06 07:16 PM
Re: Simplicity
[Re: leonor]
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OK I see what you mean.
But doesn’t your example prove extremely simple? Isn’t it much more difficult to live by extremes, or holding on to what the world should be (and isn’t) than simply accepting natural rules of might? Natural justice.
That’s my point.
To you, to me, perhaps. I am the way I am because I couldn't be any other way. I ended up, through genetics and experience, viewing the world in a way which has been already defined to be Satanic. I 'yam' what I 'yam'.
For others, though, an unwashed herd billions strong, the way a Satanist sees things is completely alien. Practically incomprehensible. Simple and obvious to us, sure, but those that 'get' this are part of a very narrow minority.
Edited by Dan_Dread (10/02/06 07:17 PM)
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#190383 - 10/02/06 08:09 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
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hung up on how much they hate christians and are resentful towards god
Why would the Satanist resent a "god" that we know does not exist.
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alot of satanists i've met, known or know
I would like to know how many of the Satanist's you have met wear Marilyn Manson hoodies and tight leather jeans, with spikes round their necks, heavy leather boots, black nail varnish and black lipstick (both men & women) and have marks along their wrist's. I have meet many stereotypes but suggesting you are a Satanist just by knowing the basics or even not knowing anything damages the image of the true Satanist. I doubt you have read the Satanic Bible.
it sounds to me like you are assuming these people i mention must dress "gothic" and must be wannabe's if they dress like that, if you look like mr. rogers then does that make you more of a real satanist? i don't think so. does reading the satanic bible make you a satanist? no it does not!
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i wonder how much of this hate factor plays a part in why they are a satanist?
I don't think this question is about the people you have met, I think you are targeting this one at everyone of us here, if so then I suggest you leave with your stereotypical view's, you are not wanted here.
good observation stranger...about my target, being that the title to this thread is very direct and to the point of asking everyone here a very clear question, the thread itself is me then giving an exampe to the title, so people know why i'm asking.
and how am i stereotyping? you're the one stereo typing by assuming that people who "dress gothic" are just wannabe's.
maybe your reply is for the sake of telling someone they are not welcome here because you've been told this?
Hail Satan
for everyone else, this question i ask (for the title of the thread) is not for the sake accusing anyone of being like this, as you don't see me accusing anyone. i am just curious here because for some of those satanist i have met, ect. (whether they were real satanist or not), some have admitted that they became anti christian first then a satanist, however of caurse they claim to be real satanist, just like some people claim to be more real of satanist than other satanists without actually knowing much of the other person/satanist.
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#190384 - 10/02/06 08:24 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: Jack_Lantern]
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I hate to answer a question with a question, but what does your pathetic circle of acquaintances have to do with all Satanists everywhere?
nothing, and i never said it did either....wow!
Or to put it in another way, just how do you think it is in any way rational to argue from a particular case to a universal case?
what thread were you reading?
. thanks.
no, thank you...thank you very much.
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#190385 - 10/02/06 08:41 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: JustinR]
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Though I don't have much time for Christianity, I don't hold resentment towards Christians. They can believe what they want as long as they don't throw it in my face and try to convert me. I've always had Satanic beliefs, but not because of resentment.
anyone who throws something in your face should get punched in face, but for the christian(s) trying to convert me part? i kinda like that sometimes, maybe it's immature but i like to question/debate their "religion" and their faith just to watch them get all freaked out, start crying and what not because they don't know the answers to the questions i ask, but i can tell they really wish they did.
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#190386 - 10/02/06 09:34 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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there is a few people hear who need to take a look at themselves, im fucked.
but just out of curiosity captain_howdy what questions do you ask that seem to upset christians so much? many of my friends are christian and they seem pretty certain with what they believe, they wouldnt get upset, only for me, in which they pray for... awww init cute!
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#190387 - 10/02/06 09:55 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: vivica]
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Registered: 11/01/05
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i hope people here do have an understanding of the christian culture before they judge
Most do. I would say that Satanists tend to be very judgemental, yet rightfully so. Me, I understand it intellectually, even if I don't understand it experientially.
That is, I can explain a lot about the history, philosophy, contemporary "issues" etc of Christianity, even if I do not understand, for example, why one would honestly believe that pleasure is wrong, life is a sin, poverty is commendable, one must grovel for forgiveness from an all-compassionate deity, etc.
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and arent as narrow minded as some of the fuckwits out there.
This place has its fair share of "fuckwits". Our moderators do their best to keep it free of such, however.
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I'm real confused about my religion
Quoted from your personal website, which I looked at in the absence of an introduction to read. An interesting statement, not often something heard from Satanists.
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#190388 - 10/02/06 10:07 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
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hey
well im glad u have interesting inputs and i no satanists are judgemental as yes, rightly so, but u just need to know, before you judge, otherwise your as weak minded and pathetic as the rest. use what you have kinda thing *shrugs*
and yea... i am uncertain about my religion. to say im a satanist isnt enough, theres some things i dont do and theres some things i do. im not gona lock my door. so yea.. im confused, arent we all? maybe not im jealous if your certain bout your life
hope u respect it
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#190389 - 10/02/06 10:11 PM
Knowledge, doubt, certainty.
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well im glad u have interesting inputs and i no satanists are judgemental as yes, rightly so, but u just need to know, before you judge, otherwise your as weak minded and pathetic as the rest. use what you have kinda thing *shrugs*
Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
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theres some things i dont do and theres some things i do.
Sorry, what?
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im not gona lock my door.
Open-mindedness is good. Commitment is also good, though, if it is well-placed. It is excellent to have doubts. It is even better to replace those doubts with knowledge and certainty.
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so yea.. im confused, arent we all? maybe not im jealous if your certain bout your life
hope u respect it
I am certain about My life, and I certainly do respect it, thank you
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#190390 - 10/02/06 10:44 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 10/27/03
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alot of satanists i've met, known or know seem to really be hung up on how much they hate christians and are resentful towards god (i.e. a man made god), i wonder how much of this hate factor plays a part in why they are a satanist?
Time for my two cents of bilous ire.
I absolutely hate, despise, and resent Christians and Christianity in all it's forms. And if I had the chance and enough napalm, I would forcibly immolate every last single monotheistic asshole on the planet. I'd make them light the flare that burned the flesh from their bones.
When it comes to monotheists, my cruelty knows no bounds.
I had 18 years of my life wasted sitting in a church listening to the same drivel over and over and over again, yet powerless to do anything about it because I was a child. Failure to genuflect to the demands of the religion was met with prompt "discipline of the Lord".
I usually do not air my personal history, but I have been beaten, molested, mocked, and betrayed by those that label themselves "the meek who shall inherit the earth.".
Fuck Christians, Christianity, Moslems and whoever else bends their knee to Jehovah, or his various forms.
My hatred. My disgust. My anger.
It fuels, it inspires me.
Some say a Satanist is a product of Nature and Nurture.
I am a product of Nature and Neglect.
My early tormented existence showed me the reality of the human animal.
There was nothing Nurturing about my "formative years".
And for that, I Curse them to thier stupidity. I Curse them, and thier children, and thier children's children to that ever-destructive religion. I will not debate them, I will not attempt to enlighten them in the least.
THEY DESERVE THE SOUL-CONSUMING SHIT THEY WALLOW IN.
And I will do all I can to reinforce their beliefs. I encourage ever single one to go to church more often, donate more of their precious money, time, and life to a social cancer that chokes out the life of oh-so-willing victims.
I will NEVER forget the treachery of self-righteous human animals.
The worst thing I can do to them is to let them keep deluding themselves, and teach thier children to do the same.
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#190391 - 10/03/06 02:11 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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it sounds to me like you are assuming these people i mention must dress "gothic" and must be wannabe's if they dress like that, if you look like mr. rogers then does that make you more of a real satanist? i don't think so. does reading the satanic bible make you a satanist? no it does not!
You are totally twisting my word's if I remember correctly I never said that those people you have met have to be Goth's, I was simply saying this is what most people (who consider themselves Satanist's) are like today, meaning dress up in black and worship Satan and that my friend does not make you a Satanist, it makes you stupid, as for reading the Satanic Bible, I was simply getting some vibes from your post that you have not read the Satanic Bible, because you can find your answers in there.
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good observation stranger...about my target, being that the title to this thread is very direct and to the point of asking everyone here a very clear question, the thread itself is me then giving an exampe to the title, so people know why i'm asking.
and how am i stereotyping? you're the one stereo typing by assuming that people who "dress gothic" are just wannabe's.
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are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
No your target is not very clear, by saying are you a Satanist because you are resentful towards Christians, means you are talking to everbody here and you are stereotyping by saying that being a Satanist means you have to hate Christians.
When one becomes interested in Satanism one becomes a stereotype, by believing that killing animals and hating Christians is right, until you read the Satanic Bible and other works by Anton LaVey and realize that your assumptions are wrong and again Goths where just an example, it doesn't mean that all are wannabes, but there are a selected few that get caught up in the wrong interpretation of Satanism, that's all.
Hail Satan!
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#190395 - 10/03/06 09:44 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Curatio]
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as with every my every response to you (in german or english), i will say it again i think your being utterly ridiculous and disrespectful to Anton LaVey and have no clue what your talking about. I have no intention of carrying this conversation with you further in private or otherwise due to your ridiculous assumptions and yes i do have MSN, but i have no space on my list for shit disturbers who try to detract the good Doktor
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#190396 - 10/03/06 06:27 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: tekku]
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Eve...
im not sure what relevence my answer has to this question that your responding on my post, whilst answering the question of the thread starter...
however i did find your response interesting and whilst there are a few points on which i agree with and disagree with, i am curious to what your thoughts are to this little grey area.
You say that anyone who enters a religion based on anger etc etc should not cross your path.
Whilst most people realise straight away that they are born a Satanist, there are some people, who do not, and through certain events and anger choose to rebel and as is true to the semantic meaning of Satan, they fly to the adversary...
at the forefront they see "pop culture poster pseudo-Satanists" to use as an example for illustrative purposes, death metal bands and the like. Those are the rebelious fucktards that we as Satanists shun..
but going a little further...
what about those individuals, who go past that idiotic facade and once their anger subsides, they actually pick up a copy of the Satanic bible and read and resonate and realise, that they were a Satanists all along...and had it not been for their rebellious streak or anger, they would not have figured out who and what they truelly are..
Whilst what i have said is purely for illustrative purposes, what i am trying to say in effect is, some people realise early on that they are different and have that freedom of clarity to pursue it until they find their answer, while other people for some reason or another may spend their entire lives walking with thier eyes wide shut, until they realise.or something makes them realise.
We have all had our series of events in our lives that have made us pick up a copy of the Satanic Bible in the first place and realise who and what we are, just the road we took to get here was different.
Hello, I was responding to the original poster of this thread not that of yourself, however, you do bring up some interesting points.
In response to the 'need not cross my path' that is to say, that an individual with the 'easily led' mentality is not someone I would like to associate myself with. Confomity does not suit me very well nor do people who are 'easily' conformed.
Yes, each and every individual has their own experience with realizing that they are infact, Satanist. I do agree on that point.
The roads to realization are yes, different for each individual.
I read the question this way:
Are you a Satanist because you hate God? Did something bad happen to make you so angry that you went off the wayward path into the darkness? That is how I took the question.
Of course, as we all know sometimes it is difficult to get our emotions/point across onto a computer screen via virtual ink.
My whole point was that I do not like to associate myself with individuals who are easily led or spoon fed. I have witnessed this my whole life with Christianity, I have partaken in such an act due to constant brain washing from birth. Never, ever again.
I don't believe in God, therefore, I have no one to be angry at. If anything goes to pot in my life I have only myself to blame. I am the master of my own destiny (of course some pitfalls happen in life that are hard to avoid) but in the end it's myself that I should be angry at.
Anyone that claims a religion based on anger I feel is basing their belief system on shaky ground, what else will they fall for based on fear.....pity, etc. etc. the list goes on.
I am reminded of the headline news today on CNN. A man lost his child 9 years ago (I believe that's how long it was) and he quote said in his suicide letter to his wife: I am angry at "GOD" for letting our baby die. What happens next? He lines up 10 young Amish girls against a black board, preparring to sexually molest them. The cops show up, he panics and shoots them all execution style and then turns the gun on himself.
THIS is what anger at a false entity can cause. I had a child. ONE child and yes, she died. Did I blame 'God'? No. Did I get angry at 'God'? No. There is no God. She died. Simple as that.
When you do something (anything) based on anger you best know what you're doing and have a plan. If I based my life on 'anger' alone? Oh my! This world would be in flames. I am however, rational and base my lifestyle on facts, science, and the knowledge that is readily availiable to me. Not on anger, not on fear.
Thank's for the response, I enjoyed reading your words.
My answer to the original poster should have been simply...no.
Be well,
Eve
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#190398 - 10/03/06 09:46 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: Leo_V]
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Additionally, how could I feel resentment toward a nonexistent entity?
Exactly!
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#190399 - 10/03/06 10:25 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 07/28/01
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Loc: New England, USA
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i wonder how much of this hate factor plays a part in why they are a satanist?
My immediate response, like many here, is a resounding "not at all for me". Still, I do think your question has some merit.
When somebody is new to a religion, whether it's Satanism or something else, they tend to be a little more vocal in their affiliation. They pay particular attention to the expected imagery. They tend to make up a significant percentage of the active debaters who defend the religion on different newsgroups and what not. I certainly went through something like that myself. As for whether this is just a phase for a rebellious teen who loses interest in it once he finally gets to college or gets a girlfriend, or it isn't a phase and the person is truly a Satanist, time will tell.
I've also seen some who at least stumble across and discover Satanism because of a disgust for Christianity. For example, I know one Satanist who was fed up with what a Bible study group was doing in his school, and in wanting to respond with some kind of prank, did some research on the web for shocking "devil" material he could print out. In doing so he stumbled across churchofsatan.com and said "Hey, wait just a minute here. I actually like what these guys have to say..."
However, there was still a big difference between him and the sterotypical teen who's mad at his Christian parents. Again, the latter eventually loses interest. I guess the moral of the story is, it's not what initially leads one to "discover" Satanism, but what sustains one's identity as a Satanist.
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#190400 - 10/04/06 12:31 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 06/29/01
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Loc: Dallas, TX
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alot of satanists i've met, known or know seem to really be hung up on how much they hate christians and are resentful towards god (i.e. a man made god), i wonder how much of this hate factor plays a part in why they are a satanist?
Yeah, this seems to be a recurring theme. I think is it a matter of maturity. Personally, I feel nothing but profound indifference towards those Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus, Shintos, Rastafarians, and yes, even the Zoroastrians.
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#190401 - 10/04/06 06:54 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 07/04/01
Posts: 4749
Loc: Here
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Satansts are born not made.
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#190402 - 10/04/06 08:13 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: tekku]
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In German you have tell me other things like this! I have not much respect...for nothing...for no humans. I have only respect for animals. I respected not much humans - but some humans have my respect too. Respect is degrading.
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#190403 - 10/04/06 11:22 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Curatio]
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I have not much respect...for nothing...for no humans. I have only respect for animals. I respected not much humans - but some humans have my respect too.
This is a textbook example of contradictory statements.
You sound confused, to say the least.
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Respect is degrading.
This conclusion could only come from premise that respecting someone means recognizing their superiority to you, and seeing that as a degrading thing. Again, the logic is flawed, this time by a grandiose (yet very fragile) ego that can't take comparisment that can endanger it, so it escapes it by this excuse.
Only accomplished people, who know their own value (and limits) can respect another human being for what they are / have done, as they are capable of recognizing the value within - and also in others.
I'm surprised that in all the martial art classes you haven't learned the meaning of respect, in some way.
Regarding the other issue you brought up, the fact is that Europeans are different than Americans who make a majority of posters here. We come from different backgrounds, speak different language, live in very different environment. This can lead to misunderstanding on many issues, and I am sure my opinion on many matters differs from others' here.
The main thing that we share is the fact we are all Satanists. Implications of this are far greater than particularities such as place/language etc, but I'm not sure you can understand this.
Because it has to do with respect , and that's obviously something you know nothing about.
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#190404 - 10/04/06 11:30 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Curatio]
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Registered: 06/28/01
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Only an extraordinarily weak ego is embarassed to show respect or admiration where it is rightly due. It implies that your self image is so poorly supported that to admit that another person is even worthy lowers you. In other words, you only maintain a positive self opinion by lowering others, instead of promoting yourself.
I have no problem with saying that Anton LaVey was a great man who I would wish to emulate. I have told several people to their face upon meeting them that they are heroes of mine, and that I hold them in the very highest regard. This does not degrade me, it says that I have good taste! Further, I have had the supreme honor of having my feelings reciprocated, and these great men have likewise repaid my compliments and friendship. What greater aggrandizement of the ego exists than to be told by a man of respect and honor that you are his admired friend?
Again, you are on the wrong train. We have a tendency to push such people off the caboose!
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#190405 - 10/04/06 11:47 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Curatio]
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Here's an essay you might find interesting- that can be found on the "Theory Practice" Page in the CoS website. And here's even a quote for you: Quote:
Another common avenue of attack is to charge that members of the Church of Satan worshipped Dr. LaVey. These dolts cannot distinguish worship from respect. Their kind are usually possessed of such weak egos that they are incapable of showing anyone respect. They can grasp the idea of worshiping some exalted “other,” but to show respect to another person is alien to them. They feel diminished by such a sense of respect.
You might want to read more of those essays- they are full of brilliant insights.
Edited by The_Lightning (10/04/06 03:52 PM)
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#190407 - 10/04/06 12:59 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Evil_Eve]
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Registered: 07/24/06
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Hello again thank you for your kinds words and for the clarification. You have also raised some interesting points and i do understand where your coming from (the points your trying to make). Keen to read more challenging posts from you  HS!
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#190408 - 10/04/06 01:12 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: gypsy]
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Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 4234
Loc: 1313 Mockingbird Lane
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Satansts are born not made.
Indeed! It's something that is in you or it's not. I don't question WHY I am a Satanist, I just know and have always known that is what I am.
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#190409 - 10/05/06 08:35 AM
Yep!
[Re: gypsy]
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Registered: 03/10/05
Posts: 6968
Loc: Eremitica
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Satansts are born not made.
Exactly! Disgruntled believers are made; but, a disgruntled Christian does not a Satanist make. I'm feeling deja vu, all over again.
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#190410 - 10/05/06 03:14 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 10/04/06
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I am satanist, because I want it, I believe in no god.
I chose Satanism cause its my nature, its ours all..
I think its nothing to do with xtians,,, I hate all religions..
Supre Ego..
HAIL SATAN
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#190411 - 10/05/06 04:16 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Horus]
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I hate all religions..
Satanism is a religion.
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#190412 - 10/05/06 06:38 PM
ZzZzzZ....
[Re: captain_howdy]
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Registered: 01/17/05
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how old were you when you first read the satanic bible?
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Subject: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
Maybe your "fans" will enjoy another question :" is it Satanic to do the washing-up wearing a Mr Jack jammies ?"
Edited by Assabrah (10/05/06 06:44 PM)
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#190414 - 10/06/06 12:16 PM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians
[Re: tekku]
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Ja ok...die erste sache..ich bin nicht deutscherin aber ich kann bisschen deutsch verstanden...
also dann...fur die dritte mal, ich sage, das ist alles egal fur die
Satanische mensch und machts nichts mit Satanismus
Ich glaube dass du muss nochmal lesen Die Satanische Bible und aller die anderer Bucher Von Herr Doktor LaVey, sowie die Pentagonal Revisionism an die CoS Webseite, und nur noch lesen aber Verstanden die Satanismus Filozofie und was er meint...
und fur might is right....Anton LaVey hat selbst gesagt dass dieser buch von Ragnar Redbeard war fur ihm einer inspiration.
Es gibt keine skandal dort und ich habe nichts mehr zu sagen and diese themen.
Good show.
Curatio,
I also think it ignorant to presume that we Americans are incapable of learning, understanding, and speaking Deutsch. I find it more disrespectful to carry on in the manner you have for no apparent reason. Your ideals are as jumbled in Deutsch as they are in English. I am also prone to agree with Warlock Leviathan in regards to your weak ego, as you seem to be unwilling to work through your menial language difficulty (no willingness to learn or make any effort to better yourself), along with the previously mentioned inability to give respect where warranted...
On the topic: I think this is way to subjective to be taken seriously... I hate those who stand in my way, it doesn't matter if they are of any particular sect or religion. That isn't my problem, why should I assume their 'spiritual baggage?'
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#190415 - 10/07/06 07:19 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: captain_howdy]
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I like to study different "dark Religions" and practices all i think i can use it for my magical Works. But a Satanist is for me a human that declared Satan is her God and it doesnt madder to believe on a real exist Satan or not. For example, we have a lot of Christian they believe on Jesus - some of the Christians beleieve Jesus was the son of God, other Christians beleieve that Jesus was a Prophet, but not a son of a "higher existent Spirit2, and other Christians believe that Jesus have never exist, but thexy believe on the existense of God - but thats all Christians! This different believes are represent in many other religions and philosophys. I was never a enemy of the Church of Satan or of Anton LaVey, but im a little bit scepticism - thats my nature! I would like to become a member of the Church of Satan in the last 3 yrs. but i have never become a member and I have never send an application for registered or active Membership.
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#190416 - 10/07/06 10:29 AM
Re: are you a satanist because you're resentful towards christians?
[Re: Curatio]
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Registered: 09/23/06
Posts: 4234
Loc: 1313 Mockingbird Lane
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I like to study different "dark Religions" and practices all i think i can use it for my magical Works. But a Satanist is for me a human that declared Satan is her God and it doesnt madder to believe on a real exist Satan or not.
For example, we have a lot of Christian they believe on Jesus - some of the Christians beleieve Jesus was the son of God, other Christians beleieve that Jesus was a Prophet, but not a son of a "higher existent Spirit2, and other Christians believe that Jesus have never exist, but thexy believe on the existense of God - but thats all Christians! This different believes are represent in many other religions and philosophys.
I was never a enemy of the Church of Satan or of Anton LaVey, but im a little bit scepticism - thats my nature! I would like to become a member of the Church of Satan in the last 3 yrs. but i have never become a member and I have never send an application for registered or active Membership.
Guten Morgen,
It is oft times hard to bridge the gap between language barriers, however I am of German origin, and basically get what you are trying to relay.
If you are still skeptical (and we should be skeptical of everything, my motto is question everything or you'll fall for ANYTHING). However, if you are still skeptical I wouldn't print off that application just yet.
My advice would be to MAKE SURE that you are ready. No one should enter anything such as important as this lightly. I have the application but want to be very open, honest and careful with my responses before sending it in.
Once again, with the language you may not have meant what I am reading.
Wenn es einfacher für Sie ist, Deutsches bitte zu verwenden, tun, Ich spreche Deutsches, da ich Familie in Loffingen habe. Es kann einfacher sein daß Weise, Ihre genaue Bedeutung zu verstehen.
I'm sure we have many other German speaking Satanist lurking on this board who can help translate if it's easier to relay certain things in German.
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#190418 - 10/07/06 03:19 PM
What exactly?
[Re: Curatio]
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CoS Magister
Registered: 10/06/02
Posts: 11989
Loc: Point Nemo s48:52:31:748, w123...
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I was never a enemy of the Church of Satan or of Anton LaVey, but im a little bit scepticism
What exactly are you "skeptical" about?
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#190420 - 10/08/06 07:14 AM
Re: What exactly?
[Re: Curatio]
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Registered: 09/23/06
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Loc: 1313 Mockingbird Lane
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About some thinks... like the affair of LaVey to Marylin Monroe and Mansfield. This womens was the earliest Sex-Symbols in this Time and both womens had an affair with Anton LaVey? Some "facts" was published when both womens was death for a few years.
...or...
LaVey was an Millionaire - but i have found some documents with different Numbers f0r the Judge, Court and so on, that declared that Anton Szandor LaVey was never a millionare and lived from the Money from his Ex-Wife Diane Hegarty.
or the Montalba Mystery and so on.
I have read the Texts from Zeena and Nikolas Schreck - called "Anton LaVey - Legend and Reality". Both persons shows some copys from different documents.
Thats all.
... or ...
So you are skeptical of Satanism because of Anton's financial situation/bank account or because of his past relationships with beautiful women?
Rest assured that he was an awesome man, and if anyone could bag Monroe or Mansfield it was HIM. He had something in him that I feel I have in myself (I can't give it a certain name) but some individuals can just make men/women fall at their feet. This can be based on several things two of which I think are main factors are charisma and high intelligence which Anton possessed both in great amounts. Other times, it's just the way a person carries themselves in public that attracts others to them.
Anton was a natural born leader and it was not uncommon for people to want to be around/near with him. He was talented, gifted, and his own person.
Why would you think it's not possible for these women to want to be a part of his world?
There are many things for a person to be skeptical about (but this usually is generalized to their own views of Satanism and or fears etc.) and not to that of the founders relationships or bank account. I would concern myself less with these issues than that of others.....
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#190421 - 10/08/06 09:28 AM
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About some thinks... like the affair of LaVey to Marylin Monroe and Mansfield. This womens was the earliest Sex-Symbols in this Time and both womens had an affair with Anton LaVey? Some "facts" was published when both womens was death for a few years.
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LaVey was an Millionaire - but i have found some documents with different Numbers f0r the Judge, Court and so on, that declared that Anton Szandor LaVey was never a millionare and lived from the Money from his Ex-Wife Diane Hegarty.
or the Montalba Mystery and so on.
I have read the Texts from Zeena and Nikolas Schreck - called "Anton LaVey - Legend and Reality". Both persons shows some copys from different documents.
Thats all.
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Maybe you should consider your sources... Regardless, even if it were true, it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to me... It's all irrelevant in regards to Satanism.
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#190422 - 10/08/06 11:31 AM
Re: What exactly?
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Oh pettiness sweet pettiness! Neither shall I sweat for you Nor shall I pity those who do! There’s always junk on the tail of a comet. The amazing side effects of success on petty little brains! I can nearly see their contortions! october1560
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Time does not imply evolution. Very true. We are stepping back. One generates haunting monsters that generate haunting monsters on an endless spiral of misunderstanding, unsolved needs, moral amulets eradicating both the sickness and the cure.
I see a bunch of men raging at the void, haunted by their own inventions. Absurd. Totally absurd.
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