#198665 - 10/30/06 10:02 PM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
[Re: dragondancer]
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#198666 - 10/30/06 10:36 PM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
[Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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Doesn't even make vague biological sense, similar to the legend that blondes will go "extinct" in a couple centuries.
NO!
We must prevent this!
Wait. I thought it was redheads that were going to go extinct?
Either way, we must preserve redheads and blondes! Should start up a "Save a Redhead" foundation. Start up redhead and blonde breeding programs, raise the little redheadlings and then release them into the wild. Blondes I think will be okay without a breeding program. There are enough of them that dye their hair that way that it'll probably just become genetic anyway.
Now.
We need to do some gene-splicing so I can get that glow-in-the-dark blue-haired girl I've always wanted.
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#198667 - 10/30/06 11:16 PM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
[Re: Felstorm]
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NO!
We must prevent this!
Wait. I thought it was redheads that were going to go extinct?
Either way, we must preserve redheads and blondes! Should start up a "Save a Redhead" foundation. Start up redhead and blonde breeding programs, raise the little redheadlings and then release them into the wild. Now.
This a good idea! We could start with an official redhead holiday! 
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#198668 - 10/30/06 11:16 PM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
[Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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It's not my hypothesis.  Just thought I'd throw into the mix. The idea is that mutation happens when cells divide and cells divide at a very very fast rate ,men can produce 100 million sperm a day and the DNA in a man of 60 has already been copied 1,000 times the y chromosome has been copied 1,000 times. Over a thousand generations that is a million times it has been copied and without the ability to repair mutations there is an unstable condition that will degenerate. blah blah blah Evolution has no plan for the future. Things change with time.
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#198669 - 10/31/06 01:02 AM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
[Re: gypsy]
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I know, I just wanted to nip it before anyone buys this silliness.
Genetic material does not just "degenerate," otherwise all lifeforms would continuously slide backwards instead of evolving. There's also no reason why this would be occurring in the human male, a relatively new species, instead of sharks or crocodiles, much older species. Why haven't their males disappeared? Their sperm certainly divides the same way ours does.
Finally, even if we assumed that genetic material did degrade due to this process, it would simply create an impetus of selection, and would be eliminated whenever it occurred. Males who produced "degenerate" sperm though whatever mechanism this fellow proposes would be eliminated in natural selection, in terms of genetic heritage.
As I said, it's all a very silly idea. If its basic premise were true, there wouldn't be life on earth, even asexual life.
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#198670 - 10/31/06 02:53 AM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
[Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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>>There's also no reason why this would be occurring in the human male, a relatively new species, instead of sharks or crocodiles << . The reason why the Y chromosome is so fragile is because unlike all our other chromosomes we have 23 in other chromosomes in our body, it doesn't actually exchange DNA with other chromosomes at each generation (something all the other chromosomes do) and the process of exchanging DNA actually heals mutations. The Y chromosome can’t heal its mutations any way near as effectively as the other chromosomes, and mutates at a faster rate. I tell ya it’s an evolutionary outrage.  Just a little note and maybe interesting enough: The Sex of Crocodiles is not decided by chromosomes but rather it is by the temperature in which the egg was fertilized.
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#198672 - 10/31/06 08:21 AM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
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It's basically the reason that sexual reproduction is so wide spread, it provides a chance for genetic variability which is responsible for evolution. Creatures that reproduce by either scissiparity or parthenogenesis are basically clones, as soon as you come across tough times, the whole population is wiped out. The main reason we (humans) have managed to come this far is our genetic variability. Unlike the bee males who are really only useful for reproduction, human males are great to have around all year-round. In a world without males I'd have to take out the garbage and mow the lawn myself!!  But seriously, I think it has become almost cool to put men down for the very characteristics that have made them capable of surviving and protecting their mate and offspring. A testosterone-ridden male is not only necessary for evolutionary purposes, but also might I add quite delicious. 
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#198673 - 10/31/06 11:31 AM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
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Me three.
I loves my men!
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#198674 - 10/31/06 11:35 AM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
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I was just kidding around, for most part, testosterone is associated with these kind of thing and low testosterone the opposite, I understand its not true.
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#198675 - 10/31/06 12:20 PM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
[Re: Ixmucane]
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But seriously, I think it has become almost cool to put men down for the very characteristics that have made them capable of surviving and protecting their mate and offspring. A testosterone-ridden male is not only necessary for evolutionary purposes, but also might I add quite delicious.
Yes me too. I have a suspicion that the women I've known who criticize male agression secretly desire a man who can throw it down, hard or soft but always thorough, in the bedroom.
Delicious angry men aside, a friend of mine told me about a small community of natives on some island (my apologies, I have no idea where) that developed spontaneous sex change (female to male only) in puberty when a gender balance was necessary. The hypothesis was that, since they had remained isolated for so long, they had evolved this capability to propagate the species.
I am no longer in contact with this person, or I would ask her more details. Anyone ever hear of this?
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#198679 - 11/01/06 01:49 PM
Re: "Testosterone Decline in American Males"
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It has been recorded that men get a testosterone boost from winning during a sports event (or watching their team win)
I never would have thought the couch potato watching Monday Night Football with a beer and a bag of chips could possibly be doing something productive.
Wife: "I need you to take out the trash." Husband: "Not now, I'm boosting my testosterone!"

All kidding aside, I hadn't really thought about how men I work with might feel about doing the same job as myself and other women and having no inherent advantage. What an excellent opportunity this is to use a little lesser magic in the office.
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