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#20763 - 01/13/04 11:06 PM Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment
Scratch Offline


Registered: 09/30/03
Posts: 207
Loc: Austin, TX
I'm a member of a site called gothblessyou.com. It seems that a picture I posted has caused some hostility, specifically in other so-called "women" who believe my picture (non-pornographic) is "unfit" for posting because of it's provocative nature. I have had no arguments from the men, mind you, who have countlessly complemented me.

These so-called "women" dissapprove of my use of make-up and the affectionate pose, possibly because they feel intimidated. Their argument is that my appearance is degrading. (Which it most certainly is not!)

I am a Satanic Witch. To not be vain would be sin, for it would be to waste such implements of power which are rightfully, by birth, my own. A woman who is complete in mind and spirit can use her feminine assets to tempt and sway and control. Where is the degradation in being in control? No, we should not judge one another, beautiful Satanic Witches of the forum. We should instead take pride in that Satanic blood which courses through each one of us alike and empowers us with the tools of sex and attraction.

These "women" of who I spoke are incomplete, for they lack knowledge and ability to use their natural gifts to empower themselves. They are not even worth answering to, because the weakness in their nature; the same weakness which sprung forth insecurity and jealousy, has made them invaluable and made their opinions worthless. The only purpose they serve is to entertain us with their stupidity. They point out their foolishness and show us women (us TRUE women) how ridiculously we wear the coat of envy.

Use those gifts of femininity to your advantage, Witches! You are stong, you are powerful, and you are full of Satanic beauty. You are descendant of the ineffably powerful King of Hell from who the roots of both pleasure and desire extend.

If you've got it, flaunt it.
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#20764 - 01/13/04 11:53 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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Ms. Ava Jinx made an excellent post some time ago about this exact phenomenon, entitled "Why women hate me". Women who are exceptionally beautiful (yourself included ) are very often loathed by their female peers and mostly find friends in men.
You're not going to let us all sit here and wonder what the picture looks like, are you?
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#20765 - 01/14/04 12:02 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: SilverHammer]
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Loc: Austin, TX
Well, it's not really lude, it's just a sexy little kiss aimed at the camera, wearing the same makeup as in my profile pic (01/13/04). They just thought the pose was too provocative and "degrading to women," which is BS code for an expression of jealousy and insecurity.
If you want to see this pic, click here: Scratch Kiss
Click the arrows to see another pic of me (there are 3 total)
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#20766 - 01/14/04 12:11 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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Your eyelashes scare me, but hey, look at my profile pic and my other pictures around here. I'm a different kind of lady, and that's all right.

You are most assuredly sexy in the sultry, seductive gothic sense, and those bitches wish they could match Scratch.
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#20767 - 01/14/04 12:22 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: TrojZyr]
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Yeah, those were some fakey eyelashes with rhinestones on them. You wouldn't believe how heavy they actually feel! (Eyelids: the secret, untapped calorie-burning source.) hehehe

TrojZyr:
"I'm a different kind of lady, and that's all right."

Hey, different is a good thing! It distinguishes a lady from all the other faces in the crowd and makes her attractive for her unique qualities.
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#20768 - 01/14/04 01:19 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
Anonymous
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Thank you for sharing your picture, your original post had my inquirying mind whirling. You are a gorgous Satanist, and your creativity and beauty is mesmorizing. I'm not able to view your picture as either "provocative" or "degrading to women." To view distasteful subjects I would just turn on MTV.

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#20769 - 01/14/04 01:23 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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Holy Rhinestone Eyelashes, Batman!

Yeah that is nice. Few people can pull off the huge fake eyelashes like that.

Very glamourous. You'd get my attention for sure.

Let them seethe in their jealousy. One, they aren't feminine enough themselves to do such a thing. Feminists forbid that they should actually dress up for a guy, or look glamourous and sexy once in a while!

Two, they've not got the guts to stand up to the oppressive feminist culture. They'd cave in to the pressure, if they put on a skirt and heels taller than one inch.

Tell them that, "Women should look like women, not foppish, boyish girls. If you're gonna look the part dress like it, handlebar moustache, codpiece, and all. Stop pretending to be little boys. Most men are pussies enough as it is without women helping the travesty further!"

Hail to you for pointing out their flaws, throwing their tripe back in their face!

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#20770 - 01/14/04 01:23 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
Anonymous
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*smiles* FINALLY!
My dear, you have no idea just how much I can relate to you, seriously.

First things first – most of the female population are insecure pigs.
Instead of feeling comfortable in their own skin, and being able to compliment another woman on her good looks, they instead almost always wish to destroy her.
It is just something I have grown to expect…

I have been the target of such bullshit for a very long time now myself.
In the beginning it used to bug me endlessly.
Now I laugh it off, and take it as a major compliment.

I don’t hear any complaints from the men either – that’s how you know your doing something right sweety, trust me.
Most women want approval from other women.
So when a woman comes along who does not overly seek the opinion of the same sex, this causes a backlash of sorts.
You are called a ‘slut’ or ‘cheap’ … it is pathetic, and only ever reflects on the one’s saying it, NOT you.

Most women nowadays don’t embrace femininity at all.
And so be it, to each their own – but should that mean the one’s that DO embrace their differences to men and flaunt it proudly be constantly attacked?
-sighs- It is frustrating, but really at the end of the day, who gives a shit what they think.
Your gorgeous, and just because those bitches are too lazy to act like an actual lady once in a while, it doesn’t mean you should bare the brunt of their insecurities and childishness.

Kudos to you sweetheart, you are up there with the best of them.
I raise my glass to you, you are beautiful and confident and not afraid to show it!


xox

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#20771 - 01/14/04 01:26 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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Sure, it is degrading to woman with low self-esteem, poor sense of aesthetics, chronic lack of style and yellowish unkempt toenails…
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#20772 - 01/14/04 01:38 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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Women, by nature, seem to flaunt their insecurities more eagerly than men do. They do this by banding together, often against other women, and "ganging up" against their poor adversary who is, in reality, often much stronger than they are in some sense. It is joked that women who have a tendancy to befriend other women quite easily do so because they can't get a man -- and this is often quite true because men, "real men" as the saying goes, prefer a woman with some strength to her character. A woman with a strong character may be financially independent, a strong nurturer or merely has the balls to look the part of the bombshell, vamp, or any other sexy icon that suits her or her whims -- my roommates and I feel that nerd-boys have a collective fetish for Goth chicks because that shows guts and strength to willingly look so different and exotic and set oneself apart from the norm -- which is also why, especially in high-school, the "Goth chick" will often be harrassed by other girls far more often than the boys.

Women are also some of the most vicious pack-animals there are. Contrary to popular belief, this is not a sign of "strength" but a big blibking neon sign advertising their insecurities.

When you can't cut it with the opposite sex, you turn to your own. Let me also point out that the most secure gay men often have at least a few good friend in women, the most secure and confidant lesbians I know have a best friend in a man. While it's always a good idea to keep same-sex friends around, a secure, confidant and well-rounded person cannot survive on same sex friendships alone. "Political lesbians" (a hip trend in the 1970s followed by heterosexual women who went though a "I hate ALL men" phase) are a by-product of insecurities. Insecurities are merely a by-product of lacking ability in Lesser Magic.

Personally, I'd rather look the part of a combination cute-girl-next-door/vamp but you do a good vamp/bombshell. Best of luck to you. Different strokes and all that....

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#20773 - 01/14/04 01:51 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment
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Oh! You touched on something I forgot to mention --

Seeking approval.

One can argue that seeking approval from the opposite sex is a sign of insecurities as well, but the desire for approval from others in general is a sign of insecurity. There's noting wrohng with taking pride in one's appearance and there's nothing wrong with accepting the occasional compliment, but when it becomes a goal to collect compliments, there's a problem.

Now, not everybody who puts photos of oneself on their website is necessarily "fishing for compliments" -- there's a style to how one does it that points this fact out to others.

You are called a ‘slut’ or ‘cheap’ … it is pathetic, and only ever reflects on the one’s saying it, NOT you.

Oh, indeed! I've *ahem* enjoyed being a topic of rotation in the rumour mill, myself -- most likely because I'm short and "fat" and dare to both look attractive and act flirtatiously; because of this, I've allegedly "claimed to fuck people I didn't" when I never even claimed such a thing in the first place! Oh, heavens forbid the short and fat one have the audacity to not only be confidant and pretty but playfully slap a male friend on the ass at the bar! (And, furthermore, heavens forbid that male friend have a less-secure girlfriend who can't take my actions as a compliment to her taste in men! hrmph!)

Like my friend Mark always says -- if people are talking shit about you because of nothing you actually did than you must be doing something right!

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- Nora Ephron

"Usually when you ask somebody in college why they are there, they'll tell you it's to get an education. The truth of it is, they are there to get the degree so that they can get ahead in the rat race. Too many college radicals are two-timing punks."
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"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, no meaning, and yet I'm happy. I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
- Charles M Schulz

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#20774 - 01/14/04 02:01 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: YoungSoulRebel]
Anonymous
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Well said Rozzlyn, agreed.
Its always highly amusing whenever I get a email from a random female who has visited my site, and accused me of being one (or two) of the following: ‘full of myself’, ‘fishing for compliments’, ‘cheap’, or the always fabulous ‘you are so fake’.
Their lack of insight makes me laugh.
I model because I enjoy it, and it puts money in my pocket, it’s that simple…
People always want to put their own spin on things, and its usually coming straight from their insecurities about themselves, and in no way relevant to me in the slightest.


''-Like my friend Mark always says -- if people are talking shit about you because of nothing you actually did than you must be doing something right!''
Spot on!!

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#20775 - 01/14/04 02:35 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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I don't know what to say, other than DAMN, go you! Women get so caught up in being feminist that they essentially become men. No! You can not be a house mom! No, you can NOT look beautiful, and you must have a full time job and work over 20 men roar!!
You are a human being, and as such you can do whatever the hell you want. Restricting yourself to living as a militant feminist is just as confining, if not MORE confining than being a stereotypical 50's submissive mom. Well, definitely more confining because if you try to break outside the circle, you're a horrible horrible person degrading women and making men think you're a piece of meat. They try to make you AFRAID to use natural gifts.

These are the same people that go to Chipendales (sp?)

You are degrading women, you're degrading them by putting their insecure sad asses to shame.


Edited by MentalPause (01/14/04 02:38 AM)

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#20776 - 01/14/04 03:41 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment
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Well, you ARE full of yourself -- but not without good reason. You're generally a sweet girl and you look good for your body-type. You're also reasonably confident (hey, we all have our "down days") and secure-enough with yourself to do what you do.

...it's the people who are full of themselves for no reason that need to be put in their place.

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- Nora Ephron

"Usually when you ask somebody in college why they are there, they'll tell you it's to get an education. The truth of it is, they are there to get the degree so that they can get ahead in the rat race. Too many college radicals are two-timing punks."
- Abbie Hoffman

"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, no meaning, and yet I'm happy. I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
- Charles M Schulz

“One of the great things about young people is that they do question, that they do care deeply about justice, and they they have open minds.”
- Zack de la Rocha

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#20777 - 01/14/04 03:53 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: YoungSoulRebel]
Anonymous
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Cheers babe

Yes, there seems to be a lot of those types around.
(Funnily enough their the kind that are responsible for the snide comments on my website, still - one moron out off 100 fans ain't so bad now is it)

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#20778 - 01/14/04 04:40 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment
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Oh, far from it. I get about the same reactions to *my* website and all *I* do is talk.

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- Nora Ephron

"Usually when you ask somebody in college why they are there, they'll tell you it's to get an education. The truth of it is, they are there to get the degree so that they can get ahead in the rat race. Too many college radicals are two-timing punks."
- Abbie Hoffman

"My life has no purpose, no direction, no aim, no meaning, and yet I'm happy. I can't figure it out. What am I doing right?"
- Charles M Schulz

“One of the great things about young people is that they do question, that they do care deeply about justice, and they they have open minds.”
- Zack de la Rocha

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#20779 - 01/14/04 06:11 AM why women hate you [Re: Scratch]
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Simple, competition for the same resourses, men. You are more likely to attract one (or two or three) than many other women. The hate is a natural thing and a signal that you are doing something right. I've never met a woman that I've liked that all the other women didn't. I'm just stating the obvious I suppose.
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#20780 - 01/14/04 08:22 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
Anonymous
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You are very lovely indeed Scratch...

when the bitches give you flak about your appearance or poses, you could do what i do -

tell them to call 1-800-JUST-JEALOUS



Patricia

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#20781 - 01/14/04 09:27 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: YoungSoulRebel]
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It is joked that women who have a tendancy to befriend other women quite easily do so because they can't get a man -- and this is often quite true because men, "real men" as the saying goes, prefer a woman with some strength to her character.

So true. All of my girlfriends that I've had have never had many female friends, and always more male friends (who likely were trying to get in the gal's pants, but had to settle for a friendship.) I don't trust a girl with a lot of lady friends. More specifically, I don't trust her to be worth the time and effort.

Bitchiness in a woman towards other women is extremely attractive.
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#20782 - 01/14/04 09:34 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment
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You should be "full of yourself."

If not yourself, of whom should you be full of?

Most religions demand that you are "full of" the chosen god, be it Buddha, Allah, the Man Jesus, etc.

Likewise, if a Satanist is his or her own god, he or she should be their own main focus of care and adoration.

(Wow, did I actually find one thing Satanism has in common with other religions? Meh, nevermind. )
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#20783 - 01/14/04 09:47 AM Men Too, Men Too! [Re: Scratch]
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Bravo to you for your clarity on this subject!

This type of jealously happens in a man's world as well. No bones about it, I'm a very fit guy. Not huge, mind you, but fit indeed, and well above average. One thing I can't stand about the summer is that the intense heat (even in Michigan) will cause you to sweat if you do just about any type of physical activity, from jogging to even walking your dog. I think sweat on my shirt is horrid, and so I take it off quite often in the summer and cool off. Amongst my friends (more like acquaintances, actually) I'm often ridiculed in a *kind* manner as being the guy who always must take his shirt off in just about any situation. I've even had friends time me at concerts to see how long it takes before I remove it.

I never really understood what the big deal was until I gave it just a little bit of thought. With a shirt off, I must look intimidating to the average twenty-something couch potato. Seeing what I have and knowing what they don't causes a deep insecurity in most. Likely, if they were more comfortable with their own bodies, they'd be taking it off in the summer heat along with me.
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#20784 - 01/14/04 09:59 AM Baffled [Re: Scratch]
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What amazes me the most about this entire topic is that you are getting this amount of flack from the gothic community. It's not like you posted this pic on a hippie/feminist website.

Based on such magazines as Gothic Beauty and the few gothic dance clubs I've been to, it seems that sultry, provocative, and even erotic fashion is the name of the game. With a style that often incorporates corsets, lace, garders, fishnet stockings, and hooker boot stilettos, it's amazing that such criticism comes from photos that are only featuring your face.
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#20785 - 01/14/04 10:18 AM Re: Men Too, Men Too! [Re: Mason_Rust]
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>>This type of jealously happens in a man's world as well.

In the case of men, I think the jealousy is usually projected to homophobia. "He has a great wardobe and 1% body fat. He must be gay." It's a self-deceiving way of trying to say "I'm more 'man' than he is, because I can drink more and I never get my ass off the couch" and "he can't be that much of a threat to my personal desire to get more women."

I've noticed that with both men and women, it comes down to the person feeling that taking pride in one's appearance is a sign of vulnerability, plus rejection by their herd. Lots of women have been duped into thinking that cosmetics is nothing more than a slave device for men; likewise lots of men have this silly notion that taking pride in one's appearance is a threat to their masculinity. Perhaps the latter is also a product of the feminist movement.

Still, for men I don't think the jealousy is anywhere NEAR the level for women. I don't see too many men developing intricate plots of back-stabbing due to another man's wardrobe.
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#20786 - 01/14/04 10:20 AM Re: Baffled [Re: Mason_Rust]
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That's what I was thinking...

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#20787 - 01/14/04 10:24 AM Re: Men Too, Men Too! [Re: Mason_Rust]
Anonymous
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you, Mason_Rust, should take your shirt off as often as possible

ok, that's just *my* preference - you know i am only using you to get to your boa

p-mac

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#20788 - 01/14/04 10:33 AM Re: Men Too, Men Too! [Re: Mason_Rust]
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Well said, and very true.

Myself not being one to remove clothing unless for a good reason (Showers, sex, or a combo of the two), I commend those that do for their security in themselves. This is not to say I am insecure in my own looks, far from it. Those that know me could tell you I enjoy being attractive, and use it as much as possible. I truly love the attention I get from the females that are supposedly "out of my league". Yet, out of respect, I will not engage in anything aside from polite conversation if said lady is spoken for, and I have my own girl to tend to. Also, while I enjoy a little competition, I realize there are others that do not, and frankly are fearful of it.

My body type is a 10 to 12 on the synthesizer clock. I am a bear (and have been told so many times), well built in regards to muscle, yet big, broad shoulders, et cetera. Utilizing this aesthetic has worked well. I has landed my employment as crowd control, and allowed me to advance quickly through the ranks where the "smaller" guys are left behind. Yet large can be sexy. I am walking proof of that , and it peeves the few male friends I have off to no end. Confidence is key. Don't think you're hot, KNOW you're hot! (and I am aware there will be those that say I am full of myself, and they'd be right!)

It's all about your own perception. As Mr. Harris of Satanism Today once said, "You can smell confidence." (Satanism Today, Jan 3rd, 2004).

Dominance is a mindset. Period.
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#20789 - 01/14/04 10:36 AM Re: Men Too, Men Too! [Re: Solomon]
Stanton_Vetalas Offline


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The fact that you yourself know you're a real fucking catch is one, attractive to chicks, and two, intimidating to the intimidated.


<------ Hott as hell

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#20790 - 01/14/04 05:31 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment
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I have much the same problem. I drive the lady frogs wild but the men frogs tend to get a bit miffed.

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#20791 - 01/14/04 05:44 PM Oh my Goth! [Re: Scratch]
Smokey_DeVille Offline
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With the exeption of a few outstanding individuals (ironicly enough, they are all Satanists), the goth scene is full of insecure brats that feel that squeezing their tits into a "corset" (with no intent of corset-training) and tossing on enough eyeliner to kill a yak makes them appealing, despite the fact that they could not form an original synapse if they put their collective heads of knuckle together. My experience has taught me that, when it comes to goths, the attitude is "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU LOOKING AT?" Again, there are exeptions. Not many, but they are out there (and here).

People are catty. Men and women, straights and gays, only the secure can handle being in a room with someone who they feel is more attractive than them. Oh, how the sheeple hate secure, confident people. It makes it harder for them to get any attention. I say, take it as the compliment it is, and their bickering will only make you even more attractive. Most of all, don't engage. As I have said in the past, a leech cannot feed from a stone.

And yes, if you've got it, flaunt it, lest you lose it.

Hail Satan!
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#20792 - 01/14/04 06:03 PM Re: Oh my Goth! [Re: Smokey_DeVille]
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My experience has taught me that, when it comes to goths, the attitude is "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU LOOKING AT?"

That is hilarious!!! I almost peed.
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#20793 - 01/14/04 07:27 PM Re: why women hate you [Re: Shiboleth]
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When some persons choose to deny the obvious, then it must be stated.
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#20794 - 01/14/04 07:30 PM Re: Baffled [Re: Stanton_Vetalas]
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Yes, it's quite odd, but it only makes their insecurities more obvious. Every one of them has posted a pic on the site. They are upset because I have raised the bar for them, and they can't jump that high.
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#20795 - 01/14/04 07:35 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Stanton_Vetalas]
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These are the same people that go to Chipendales (sp?)

These are the same bitches that hit on other guys on the site. Clearly, to them it's ok for the men to act sexy and "degrade" themselves for their enjoyment; however, if a woman does it it's wrong wrong WRONG! You see, not only are they weak and insecure, they're hypocrites as well. Quite a lovely pack of bitches, no?
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#20796 - 01/14/04 07:44 PM Re: Men Too, Men Too! [Re: Mason_Rust]
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You should be able to take off your shirt anytime you damned well feel like it, even if it is just to show off! (Oooh, and why don't you?) *giggles*
And you're right, men do it too, but women are often more catty and vicious about their jealousies. Guys will clown you a bit, but women are known to go so far as to cause bodily harm among other things.
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#20797 - 01/14/04 07:48 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Old_Pig]
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Ha ha ha! You are too much! (more more more!)
Yes, funny how persons with good self-image don't feel even slightly offended, isn't it?
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#20798 - 01/14/04 07:53 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Wile_E_Quixote]
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Take it as a compliment sweety, they are just jealous that their skin is not as stunningly green as yours!

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#20799 - 01/14/04 07:54 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment
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Ms_Ava_Jinx:
"My dear, you have no idea just how much I can relate to you, seriously"

Ofcourse, I can imagine! You also mentioned that women visit your site and write to you with complaints and catty remarks. Well isn't that a load of BS? If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen...and Ms_Ava_Jinx, you're on fire, but you sure as Hell can take it! Hail the Satanic Witch who knows what she has and how to work her stuff!
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#20800 - 01/14/04 08:02 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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You know your doing something extremely right when someone actually stops long enough on your site to write a nasty comment.
If you hate me that much why waste your time any longer on my site? -laughs- People amuse me...
One left this ~ ''Idiot'' ...gee, that must have required a lot of thinking time

''-Hail the Satanic Witch who knows what she has and how to work her stuff!''

Hails to you too my dear!

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#20801 - 01/14/04 08:13 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: YoungSoulRebel]
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Charm above all else is what attracts. Confidence makes a woman glow and be sought after. It's not a dress size or cup size is not what makes makes a woman attractive (as I'm sure some men will agree) but the way she carries what she's got. Every witch is gifted, though her gifts may differ from those of other witches.
You've got it and you know how to flaunt it. Now all they can do is choke down thier own bitterness
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#20802 - 01/14/04 08:15 PM Re: why women hate you [Re: Scratch]
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I like the way you think.
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#20803 - 01/14/04 08:18 PM Re: Oh my Goth! [Re: Ambrosia]
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so true, so true
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#20804 - 01/14/04 09:00 PM Re: Men Too, Men Too! [Re: Scratch]
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>>And you're right, men do it too, but women are often more catty and vicious about their jealousies. Guys will clown you a bit, but women are known to go so far as to cause bodily harm among other things.<<

Better believe it. And (usually) the better looking they are the more insecure they are. Folks in the 3-6 o'clock region are generally more secure in their sexuality, The exact opposite is true with the nines to twelves, that region where the "hot women" lie.

Men generally don't play the social games that women feel compelled to play. A guy who don't like you will often tell you to your face. And as far as being jealous about another guy being more handsome than they are... when asked most will have no opinion on the matter for fear of being labeled homosexual. To most Herd straight males "gay bashing" is something of a social passtime, yet they'll got to the gym and slap each other on the ass in the showers. Meh. Hypocrits. I think that the more a man is vitriolic towards gay men, the more inclined he is to having homosexual fantasies himself.

I fail to see what is derogatory about exaggerated lashes, and blowing a kiss at the camera. Lesser women have made careers off that look.

I suppose them Goths wouldn't be happy unless you were wearing the Hot Topic Approved(tm) Anarchy Goth Gear, compleat with figure destroying baggy jeans, and pvc belts with loads of silver buckles, and don't forget the pseudo-bondage regalia. Or my absolute favorite, baggy jogging pants and raggedy sweatshirts.

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#20805 - 01/14/04 09:09 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Felstorm]
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Oh, you flatterer!.

"Feminists forbid that they should actually dress up for a guy, or look glamourous and sexy once in a while!"
Yes, and the worst part about it is that this isn't some feminist site, it's a goth site. They're very much for hitting on guys on this site, as I have noticed, but they have no real charm so they are easily intimidated. It's quite pathetic, but I pity them not. Yes, as you said, let them seethe in their jealousy.
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#20806 - 01/14/04 09:17 PM The "Infamous Pic" [Re: Scratch]
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Thank you all for the overwhelming response I've received to this post! Some of you have asked for this pic so I'm putting it here for your convenience. Scratch Kiss
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#20807 - 01/14/04 09:25 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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I have seen many "goth" posters here that complain about the looks and remarks made by others. You picked the uniform...deal with it.

Why would a Satanic Witch complain about women that are jealous of her? A Satanic Witch would know that this would be the case, yet you feel pursecuted. How childish is that? Did someone force you to dress this way at gun point? I hardly think so. Did someone tie you up and apply your makeup? I don't think so. You picked it....so shut up and show me your tits.
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#20808 - 01/14/04 09:54 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Malin_Wolf]
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Sweetheart, read the entire post and pay close attention.
I'm not complaining that they are jealous. In fact, I'm not complaining at all, but pointing out their folly and discouraging others from doing anything to facilitate this behavior.
Read and understand before going off and putting words in my mouth. I don't appreciate it.

This post is NOT some "Poor me," weepy little "It's the end of the world b/c no one likes me," post. This post is meant to empower the Satanist and remind and encourage him/her to use the tools of sex and attraction free of guilt, as should be, despite the opinions of others. It is meant to point out the ridiculousness of jealousy and how attacking at improper times can backfire.

I encourage you to read the post again, now that I have explained to you its origin. I'm sure you will appreciate it more the second time around.

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#20809 - 01/14/04 11:27 PM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Scratch]
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Those that squawk the loudest have the most to prove. You are making a spectacle of yourself for no apparent reason other than to garner attention for yourself. The weak have to over compensate for that which they lack.

Your Satanic "empowerment" is nothing more than "Hey! Look at me!"

http://www.personalsatan.com/lttd/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=197329&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
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#20810 - 01/14/04 11:42 PM Re: Men Too, Men Too! [Re: Mason_Rust]
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Ah, my dear Mr. Rust...

You are a fascinating specimen. If you ever feel something prick the back of your neck - don't be alarmed, I'm just tagging you for research purposes.

In my still relatively short lifetime I have enjoyed watching men (as a group) slowly awaken to a very conscious awareness of themselves as objects of desire. This is an inevitable and equalizing consequence of women seeking to be evaluated by other criteria. If women can be judged by actions and wealth, men can and will be judged on a physical level. The Balance Factor.

Men are still only partially socialized to think of themselves in that way - to have to measure themselves against a physical ideal in order to compete for mates. And it often makes them very uneasy. They are not yet trained peacocks.

My little sister is in college. A year or so ago, she said rather proudly, "I only date guys with six packs." 50 years ago few girls cared if a man had a six pack - he was judged by status and charisma and could trade on a good mug if he looked nice in a suit. 6 packs just used to mean beer.

So when you're "showing off" (and I do think from what I've gathered about you, you might be showing off a little bit - perfectly understandable if you're willing to cop to it), in a sense, you are rendering your companions naked. In sweatshirts, you're all "equal"...sexually neutral. But you're setting yourself apart, drawing attention to yourself and making them feel exposed - open to a different kind of judgement. Sexual objectification for men. It's catching on artifically, like wildfire, thanks mainly to media saturation - but it's not quite all the way there yet.

A couple thousand years of prudish Christianity relegated the ideal of male beauty and virility that was cultivated in anitquity to dark, dusty corners of museums. Thank women, or thank Calvin Klein, but it's back with a vengeance.

However, men are still socialized to think that they shouldn't be able to appreciate another man. On a subconscious and often conscious level, admiring another man - even innocently - is often perceived as homosexual desire and should never even be admitted privately. So not only are you threatening on a competitive level, you may also be threatening the sexual identity of some of your companions by forcing their train of thought to shift to an uncomfortable track.

What Bill M said is also interesting - kind of a combination of the last two ideas. They can say all of those pretty boys are homos, but they know you aren't so again their comfortable perceptions are challenged.

Interesting stuff, at least to me. If my train of thought is chunky, I offer the sad excuse that my keyboard is reacting slowly tonight, and editing is becoming bothersome.

So anyway, I see this as a culture clash of sorts. I see you, from the attitudes you're expressing, as part of a new culture.Part of this may be that new culture(or VERY old culture) of male physical objectification vs. the old culture of non-visual status cues. Women have been doing this for years, but men are new to the game. The good thing is that they still do tend to have a better sense of humor about it.

Just for the sake of playing Devil's advocate, I'll de-sexualize the whole issue and take another angle.

I live in LA. Everyone wears flip flops everywhere. It's not that I find their feet a distracting turn-on or an eyesore in particular. I just don't need or want to see their fucking feet while I'm standing in line at the grocery store, or eating dinner at a restaurant. I don't care if they're comfortable. I just want them to get dressed and be civilized! Put some shoes on, dammit! It's 45 degrees and you aren't at the beach! THere's a time and a place...

So if you're the guy who rips his shirt off when it's 75 degrees and partly cloudy, or to run to the mailbox -

They may just be thinking, "put a shirt on, you wanker!"

Sometimes, if there's one shirtless guy in a crowd of generally good looking guys - I just assume he's the one that needs the most attention.

There may be and probably are many dynamics at work.

I do find it all rather fascinating. I suddenly want to smoke a pipe and go grab a butterfly net.

Yes...fascinating.

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#20811 - 01/15/04 12:10 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Malin_Wolf]
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>>Nothing more than "Hey! Look at me!"<<

Isn't that the whole operating principle behind Witchcraft?

"Hey boy! Check out this hot dish!" as she bats those luscious peepers of hers. Shit, I'd stumble all over myself if that ever happened to me.

As a man I can testify that the first thing I notice on a woman or a man isn't their personality. Physcial attractiveness weighs in considerably for a woman. Gorgeous young women like Ms. Jinx, if I am not mistaken, can make quite a good living off "Hey look at me!". It makes Hugh Heffner a very wealthy man. And I don't knock something if it works. In fact it appears to work so well that Scratch can get even the jaded latex corset bedecked "Goth chicks" to throw fits of jealous protest.

Hell if I looked that succulent, I'd be putting my picture on more than just Goth websites.
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#20812 - 01/15/04 12:26 AM Re: Jealousy, Scandal and Female Empowerment [Re: Malin_Wolf]
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"Those that squawk the loudest have the most to prove."

Funny how you should choose that argument after insisting on arguing. You're the one trying to make the spectacle, otherwise, you would have ignored this post to begin with and moved on.

Again, you misinterpret my post! Yes, I've read that post you attatched, and it has little to do with my post if anything at all. Can you honestly say you went back and read my post again? Can you?

I am showing my support of Satanic Witchery and my pride in it. Pride is an important aspect to the self and I refuse to allow my pride to be trampled. My pride and I will not allow you to twist my words or to distort the point I have made.

Perhaps if you were not so eager to make a spectacle of yourself by pointing out some "fault" in my post you would not be blinded to it's true nature.

Now, with my point made and reinforced let me leave you with this: I refuse to acknowledge any further attempts at twisting my words. To respond once more would be beating a dead horse and I feel that even to say this is to give the subject more attention than it's worth.
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