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#217187 - 01/22/07 09:15 AM ...and a Buddhist, too?
Zak Offline


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I often refer to myself as a Satanic Buddhist, and it often leaves people who understand both of these philosophies befuddled or accusing me of hypocrisy. I practice the mind-cultivating meditations of Buddhism and have incorporated them as a part of my life, in addition to practicing Satanism. People have told me that the two are mutually exclusive, and I have always disagreed.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject?

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#217188 - 01/22/07 09:27 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Zak]
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Do you believe in the "Four Noble Truths"?

How do you reconcile the Buddhist goal to renounce desire with the Satanic dogma of vital existence?
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#217189 - 01/22/07 10:00 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Zak]
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I see nothing hypocritical about practicing meditation in whatever form you desire. But I can understand the confusion some may have considering Satanism is a religion of the flesh and carnal, rather than the spirit and mystical.

Perhaps you are not making it understood that you are not a Buddhist but simply utilizing the Buddhist technique of meditation. That is not difficult to understand really.

Any way why do you care what others think? Or are you unsure yourself?

May I ask your age?
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#217190 - 01/22/07 10:07 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: gypsy]
Zak Offline


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I'm 18. I am quite sure of myself.
I merely like to be able to articulate my beliefs to my friends or those who I am interested in carrying on relavent discussions with.

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#217191 - 01/22/07 10:08 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Zak]
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Using meditation does not make you a Buddhist.

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#217192 - 01/22/07 10:11 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: reprobate]
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No, I do not believe in the 4 Noble Truths. I can see how they can make sense to those who have suffered from craving and have been unable to satiate their desires, and even hold quite a degree of respect for those who adhere to such beliefs. However, I do not believe in the denial of the physical world. This world is too beautiful and pleasurable to deny.

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#217195 - 01/22/07 10:21 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Zak]
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I merely like to be able to articulate my beliefs to my friends or those who I am interested in carrying on relavent discussions with.




Then do so.

What beliefs are you referring to?
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#217196 - 01/22/07 10:46 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Zak]
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I have always found Buddhism fascinating to study; especially Hinayana. I have found that both Buddhism and Yoga have gone far in mapping the human psyche. However, both are ultimately about denying the ego, while Satanism is about nurturing the ego. That divergence will never find a satisfying synthesis...ever. Do you have a particular branch of Buddhism that you find more appealing than the rest?
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#217197 - 01/22/07 10:56 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: gypsy]
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I believe in:

OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM OM

Sometimes i have thought of changing my beliefs:

MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO
MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO MO

Buddhism is deeply spiritual. However, their meditation and relaxation techniques can be of some use.

Best,

Torquemada

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#217198 - 01/22/07 11:16 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Torquemada]
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Quote:

Buddhism is deeply spiritual. However, their meditation and relaxation techniques can be of some use




Agreed

But Torquemada you forgot:

Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom Rom

Oh s--t did I just give away my secret mantra? oops
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#217200 - 01/22/07 11:23 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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The Traditions of the Lesser Wheel (Hinayana) have always had particular appeal, as well as Zen (which is Mahayana, but bears a similarity to Hinayana).

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#217201 - 01/22/07 11:26 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Zak]
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No, I do not believe in the 4 Noble Truths. I can see how they can make sense to those who have suffered from craving and have been unable to satiate their desires, and even hold quite a degree of respect for those who adhere to such beliefs. However, I do not believe in the denial of the physical world.




So then you aren't a Buddhist at all.

Based on what you've told us so far, I don't see any trouble with what you're actually doing. However, the way you're labeling it is misleading. A Satanist who practices meditation is not a "Satanic Buddhist", any more than a Satanist who delights in grand halls filled with organ music is a "Satanic Catholic".

-Chess

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#217202 - 01/22/07 11:27 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Chess]
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Well said. I agree.

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#217204 - 01/22/07 11:49 AM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: gypsy]
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You are lost, i know your secret. The curse is on the way................

Best,

Torquemada

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#217210 - 01/22/07 02:10 PM Re: ...and a Buddhist, too? [Re: Zak]
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If you eat Chinese food, does that make you Chinese?

Meditation techniques alone do not a religion make.

They are only tools.

The ultimate goal of Buddhism is to recognize the non-existence of a personal self (theraveda) and to identify with all that is (mahayana).

Satanism is devoted to the enhancement of a sense of the personal self (ego) as well as a rational enjoyment of the pleasures of life.

We don't care if the ego is an "illusion" or not and are here to enjoy the ride in any case.

That is about as far apart as one can get from Buddhist goals and perspectives.

We want to live.

They want something else.

If you want to live you are in the right place.

If you want something else then you are in the wrong place.

My suggestion?

Choose life!

(Now I'll read the other posted replies).

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