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#22597 - 01/22/04 03:45 PM How do I know?
Anonymous
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Since I was a baby I always doubted almost very many things. have read the Satanic Bible and love what I read about Satanism. It felt like I could agree with all of it. So I feel I am a Satanist. But what if I doubt in many years or maybe short time? Have the people here who have experience doubted? Is feeling that you are described perfectly in the Satanic bible enough to say I am a satanist?

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#22598 - 01/22/04 03:59 PM Re: How do I know?
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With a little searching, you will find that your questions have already been answered.

Read:

Born- Not Made
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#22599 - 01/22/04 04:01 PM Re: How do I know?
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Quote:

Is feeling that you are described perfectly in the Satanic bible enough to say I am a satanist?




I don't know. Is it?

Some might say that the literal answer to your question is yes, but the fact of the question being asked at all means the answer is really no.

If everyone here says you are not a Satanist, (not that I am predicting that), will you accept that and go away?

(Not that I am suggesting that).

What would you then be, if not a Satanist?

Or will you be a Satanist, here or anywhere else, because you just ARE a Satanist, and can't "be" anything else?

Are you window shopping for a philosophy of life?

Or did you discover that your philosophy of life already has a name, Satanism?

Think for yourself... it pays better than the alternative.

Oh, and Hi!

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#22600 - 01/22/04 04:08 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Quaark]
Anonymous
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Great answer. You seem very intelligent. The link from Coronach was also very interesting.

Yes I see your point no I am not windowshopping (hehe) for a philosophy. This is just my general attitude. I am very sceptic.

But, yes, I know I'm a satanist. I just think doubt is always also very healthy for the mind.

Thanks!

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#22601 - 01/22/04 04:16 PM Re: How do I know?
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doubt though can also lead to failure. when one doubts exstensively (depending on what one is doubting of course)one can fall into a very rotten trap called depression which leads to one failing at many things thereby becoming weak minded themselves.

doubt can be good too, yet it can also be very dangerous as well when not kept in check.

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#22602 - 01/22/04 04:18 PM Re: How do I know?
Anonymous
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But i read the satanic bible a few weeks ago only. i don't think i doubt too long.

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#22603 - 01/22/04 04:42 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Quaark]
Anonymous
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I have ordered The Satanic Ritual and Devils Notebooks and Satan Speaks from Amazon. Cant wait to read them! LaVey was a intelligent man (and sort of sexy).

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#22604 - 01/22/04 06:08 PM Re: How do I know?
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Registered: 09/30/03
Posts: 207
Loc: Austin, TX
Quote:

Have the people here who have experience doubted?



If they have doubts about being a Satanist, then they really don't belong here. (Although I'm quite sure some of them have had doubts...those individuals usually don't last very long, I'm afraid.)

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But what if I doubt in many years or maybe short time?




Sounds to me like you already have those doubts.

Let me save you some time: If you must ask, then the answer is no.
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#22605 - 01/22/04 06:14 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Scratch]
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I'll take cynical doubt followed by questions to blind faith anyday.
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#22606 - 01/22/04 06:18 PM Re: How do I know?
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I personally believe that if you don`t question what you read and take it for what it is and thats that, you don`t get the full learning experience. If you don`t get the full learning experience how do you form an opinion that is not ignorant? I have questioned many things in the Satanic Bible and I have come up with the answers on my own through study, my morals and my beliefs...
Don`t let some of the people on here get you down...

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#22607 - 01/22/04 06:32 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Roxxxadelic]
Anonymous
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I agree. I think just doing everything in the satanic bible without thinking would be against the basic principles like i have understood them. I am glad not everybody thinks same here or it would be a fucking sect.

thanks! and Hail Satan!

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#22608 - 01/22/04 06:33 PM Re: How do I know?
Anonymous
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And may I say that talking to you gives me a good impression of Satanism. I agree with you. And thanks!

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#22609 - 01/22/04 07:21 PM Re: How do I know?
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The main thing you may want to ask your self is, "do I just agree with the Satanic Bible, or do I identify with it?" There is a difference. Does it come naturally for you to utilize Satanic principals or do you have to make a major effort so you can feel like you belong to something?
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#22610 - 01/22/04 07:25 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: J. Hagalaz]
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Excellent way of putting it.

To try is to lie, after all. I mean, sure, as a 13-year-old or whatever I was, I did have to learn how to socialize with people, how to be responsible, how to dress for success, etc. But, that was a maturity and development issue--at core level, I understood and related to LaVey's writings, and I filled in blanks that baffled in others.

If you really have to *strive* to implement Satanic techniques--meaning, you have to try, and it feels difficult or really awkward-- that's often a sign that you are not really Satanic.

If a Satanist or a Satanic text gives you a new idea and that new idea makes sense to you and you can easily implement the suggestions tied to that, that's different, and you're still in the clear.
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#22611 - 01/22/04 07:31 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: TrojZyr]
Anonymous
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I like the way George Lucas put it in one of the star wars movies..............

"No try! Do or do not!"
Yoda to Luke Skywalker in the swamps of Dagoba

Either we're going to implement it or not to sum up what you said TrojZyr

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#22612 - 01/22/04 07:31 PM Re: How do I know?
Anonymous
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I first found out about the Church of Satan some seven or eight years ago now and at that time I did have several doubts. I doubted I'd ever be able to rake up the money to join and I doubted I'd ever be able to obtain a copy of any of Anton LaVey's books in Queensland, Australia.

So I just kept the principles of what I was able to find on the net in mind and went off and read everything else I could find about Satanism (as well as having some rather curious adventures along the way).

That I am here now, that I found a bookshop that could order in all of the books I wanted and that I have become a member... well maybe that says it all really

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#22613 - 01/22/04 07:54 PM Re: How do I know?
Bill_M Offline
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Registered: 07/28/01
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Although the notion may seem a little paradoxal here, doubt is generally a Satanic virtue. And I'm sure you know that The Satanic Bible says a few things on the subject of doubt. When I first maturely read the Satanic Bible, I felt such a compelling connection that I was very tempted to immediately adopt the label of "Satanist" and dive right in. But the natural doubter in me said "Well, wait a second. Is this too good to be true? Let's see if this is something that will still make sense a few weeks from now, and that I'm not caught up in some kind of beginner's sensationalism." I re-read the book several times, kept thinking about Satanism and what it would mean to take the title of "Satanist", and even braved alt.satanism back in those days.

>But what if I doubt in many years or maybe short time?
>Have the people here who have experience doubted?

Since taking on the title of Satanist, I haven't had any real doubt about that choice. I've certainly pondered it though, wondering "Is it possible that I'd change religions once again?" And my answer has always been "I don't see that happening, because I'd always know in the back of my mind that the god I'd be worshipping was still just some ego manifestation, or that I'd be practicing some other form of self-deceit. And I know that born-again experiences are all done in moments of desparation where self-responsibility is placed on somebody or something else." As they say, "the scales have fallen from my eyes".

Actually, this all reminds me of the chapter called "The God You Save May Be Yourself". You may want to re-read it as you think about this.
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#22614 - 01/22/04 08:04 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Bill_M]
Anonymous
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Thanks for pointing this out Bill M, I was actually about to refer to the very same chapter myself but you beat me to it.
Doubt is indeed a Satanic virtue…

It also reminds me of the chapter ‘How To Be God’ (Or The Devil) in The Devils Notebook…

6) ‘Always harbor some doubt, even about yourself. The booby hatches are filled with megalomaniacs who are cocky sure of their own omnipotence. A modicum of self-doubt in the god business adds up to the sort of self-awareness most mortals lack’

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#22615 - 01/22/04 09:07 PM Re: How do I know?
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Registered: 09/16/03
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Greetings, Umea. After reading your post, two things came to mind:

1. There is no rush in making the decision on whether or not you're a Satanist. Time will ultimately show/prove if you are. Unlike Christianity and such, Satanism does not speak of a heaven or hell that you'll go to based on whether you're one of them, or not. They really try to push and scare you into "giving your life to Christ so that you will go to Heaven tonight if you were to die."

2. I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think. Some have the audacity to tell you that you are unSatanic because you do "such and such." I tire of this bullshit on this forum. Beyond the basic tenets of Satanism, it is all subjective, all one's own opinion.

If you were considering affiliation with the Church of Satan, I would put that on hold until you're sure of where you stand, just for the sake of not spending $100 that could be used for other things. The CoS will still be there if and when you decide to join.


Give it time, Umea. There is no heaven or hell awaiting your final decision.


Edited by BurningJade (01/22/04 09:40 PM)

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#22616 - 01/22/04 10:02 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: BurningJayde]
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>>2. I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think. Some have the audacity to tell you that you are unSatanic because you do "such and such." I tire of this bullshit on this forum. Beyond the basic tenets of Satanism, it is all subjective, all one's own opinion. <<

Aye.

It's not permission to "be whatever", however. There are standards of conduct as outlined in The Satanic Bible, as BurningJade said. It's pretty easy to figure out if one takes the time to read and comprehend the material presented.

Opinions are never wrong, especially if they are your own.

Just remember, no matter how ascerbic you get toward the Herd, always remember that Satanism is about having fun, and making your life fun and satisfying, first and foremost. Permanently dour and truculent people don't have much fun, they are too busy being angry at things they either cannot control or change. And even if they could change those things, or ignore them, it generates far more sympathy to whine about it to others. Read: Psychic Vampire.
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#22617 - 01/22/04 10:09 PM Re: How do I know?
Anonymous
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Greetings.
Quote:

So I feel I am a Satanist.



Well, that sorta sums it up right there.
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But what if I doubt in many years or maybe short time?


It's my belief that one should question EVERYTHING! Even what one feels is right. If you have the drive to do some research, you will find your answers. Take nothing for face value, investigate, be inquisitive. Satanism is not about conforming to believing everything you read or hear, it's more about learning what works for you, and using that to better yourself beyond normal constraints.
As you said, you feel you are a Satanist, after reading TSB. Mayhaps you are. If you so choose, take this opportunity to better yourself. Should you find that the philosophy works for you, then you are ahead of many. If not, then do what makes you happy, and you can't go wrong.

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#22618 - 01/22/04 10:33 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Felstorm]
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Great posts from so many, including you.

Just one thing about standards. Wouldn't the ultimate Satanist go ahead and live her life in HER way maybe even discarding SOME of these principles even if no other Satanist acknowledged her as a Satanist?

I am not arguing about what is the definitions of the Satanist or challenging The Satanic Bible, but isn't there always a level higher? Isn't that what evolution is about? Isn't that true stratification?

As I say before I am new at this, but I would lobe to hear an answer here from a real Priest of Satan.

And thanks to those who encourage my questioning and not telling me i am not a satnist because I am posing questions.

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#22619 - 01/22/04 10:44 PM Re: How do I know?
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I don't see why it should matter to you. Are you worried what others will think? Fuck the others, because you'll always be you. You should always love yourself no matter what you decide to call your religion or set of ideals and personal philosophies. If you agree with the Satanic Bible, realize that you hold the same ideas, and the idea of calling yourself a Satanist doesn't bother you, then go for it. It's a choice you make. The devil doesn't make anyone sign on the dotted line, it's a choice of free will.

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Is feeling that you are described perfectly in the Satanic bible enough to say I am a satanist?




That quote is why I asked: "Are you worried what others will think?" I make every personal choice based on what I feel is the right choice. If someone else doesn't think I'm a Satanist, I couldn't possibly care less what the hell they think. Just being a Satanist shouldn't measure my worth to others. If someone who actually matters decides to measure me, I make sure that the main points they consider are my personality, productivity, and ambition. I only divulge that I'm an atheist when I know that it can have a positive effect on how that person thinks of me. To put it plainly, my religion is none of anyone else's fucking business.

So to answer the question:
Yes. If it's good enough for you, then no one else has any room to argue because they don't own your feelings.

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#22620 - 01/22/04 10:54 PM Re: How do I know?
Anonymous
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Great answer. Thank you. But English is not my first language so please try to see that when I say "enough to say I'm a Satanist" I was wondering about the definition itself.

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#22621 - 01/22/04 10:56 PM Re: How do I know?
Anonymous
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You think like me, I think Yes, question everything!

That was great. Thanks!

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#22623 - 01/22/04 10:59 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Bill_M]
Anonymous
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You should write a book!

Yes, you understand what I was asking about very well, and you (and others) answered my question beautifully. This must be the best messageboard in the world.

And you are really, really handsome.

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#22624 - 01/22/04 11:00 PM Re: Easy. [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Yes truth is undeniable but do we ever find it? If we did the philosophers would be out of a job!

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#22625 - 01/22/04 11:04 PM Re: How do I know?
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>>Wouldn't the ultimate Satanist go ahead and live her life in HER way maybe even discarding SOME of these principles even if no other Satanist acknowledged her as a Satanist?<<

The way I understand it, as far as an individual's indulgences and aesthetic tastes goes it's an open ballpark.

But Dogma and Policy laid out by the CoS Heirarchy isn't something that is open to debate. I will speak for myself only, I completely agree with the entirety of Satanic tenets is because I have questioned each and every single one of them and found the logic and rationality behind them to be as close to perfection as possible. I don't feel compulsed to "change" or improve something that I have found to be flawless and sound personal philosophy.

One of the Reverends may be able to answer this question better, I can't speak for the Church.

This forum does not accurately represent Satanism. You may or may not gain mutual benefit from those here. In fact you may develop an extreme distaste for some individuals, but as Burning Jades signature states; One is expected to act like a Lady or Gentleman and display some self-control and professional composure at all times. Those that don't leave ass-prints on the "revolving door" as they are kicked out.

I find that Satanism is best represented by those people who act dignified and professional.
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#22627 - 01/22/04 11:07 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: BurningJayde]
Anonymous
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I am so impressed with some of the people here. Thank you for your advice. Yes, I have been very excited after I having read the Satanic Bible, but I will take it easy. No rush. I'm not sure I need to join an organization anyway.

You are way cool. I say in profile I am here to learn and I see I can learn lots here.

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#22628 - 01/22/04 11:08 PM Re: Easy. [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Isn't that a dangerous attitude that can stagnate you? I think the german philosopher Nietzsche said that if a philosopher stops doubting he isn't a philosopher anymore. Or soemthing like that.

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#22629 - 01/22/04 11:13 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Felstorm]
Anonymous
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I didn't challenge the way you define Satanism I was trying to ask larger question? But you seem like it's a threat asking.

Why are you telling me to act like a lady or I will be out the door? Are you the boss in here? I thought it was Reverend Ventrue.

I won't read your posts anymore. You don't seem that smart, really. (You asked for it)

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#22631 - 01/22/04 11:18 PM Re: Easy. [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I can't see how your reply is a direct answer to the point I made. Maybe you have a hard time to admit another has a point or to meet half way?

This isn't a competition.

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#22632 - 01/22/04 11:18 PM Re: How do I know?
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Personally, I have to say that finding SAtanism, Dr. LaVey, and the CoS at a very early age (13), one would expect that in ten years I would have had an itch or tickle of doubt, but nay, this is not the case. Once I had recognised so many aspects that I had already believed, already been employing (specifically Satanic witchery) I was overjoyed. I have never doubted either myself nor the organisation. The people who are questionable are almost if not always taken care of, shall we say, by those in charge of boards like this (although I cant think of another board this wonderful, thanks, Rev. Ventrue!) and in charge of the CoS . They leave only the cream of the crop. It's a beautiful thing, and true involvement is very rewarding. If you have doubt, I would suggest maybe finding something less wholly demanding of yourself.

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#22633 - 01/22/04 11:21 PM Re: How do I know?
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Uh no. That wasn't my intention. I wasn't accusing you of behaving in that fashion, just making a general statement of my observations. It wasn't aimed at you as an attack on your character, per se.

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#22634 - 01/22/04 11:23 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Felstorm]
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In Sweden we call that rowing backwards.

But I'll read your posts and see if you behave. If not I will knock the hat off your head.


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#22635 - 01/22/04 11:24 PM Re: How do I know?
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Also, I think its important, vital, for us to question what we involve ourselves in. Otherwise we wouldnt be very intelligent people. Cheesy tho it sounds, follow your heart. If you are meant to be here, and with the CoS, you will be. But you shoud not need convincing. It should be a wholly personal decision, regardless of what anyone else thinks or says.

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#22636 - 01/22/04 11:27 PM Re: How do I know?
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I am not after convincing. I am after the experiences and insights of people who have been Satanists for longer than me.

And I know I was born, not made if I'm a Satanist. I mean people who have KNOWN they were a Satanist for longer time than me. I added this since it seems some love quibbling (right word?)

Yes, I agree to follow the heart. Reading The Satanic Bible was exciting. It just made so much sense to me, but my habit is to be very careful.

An example is that the Earth is round. I challenged it on the principle juts to be sure it was MY knowledge not just from being told. I thought about it. If the Earth is round and evolving and the stars are firm then the North Star should be lower when I was in a country far south from where I live. And it is!

Not advanced I know (I was 12), but that is how my thinking works, so even though I emotionally feel at home in the satanic Bible I am slow to just accept even though it is tempting. I hope this is appreciated.

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#22638 - 01/22/04 11:47 PM Re: How do I know?
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There is no doubt in Satanism. People from other religions have doubts about their gods all the time, that’s why they need "faith". Which is the ability to force themselves to believe in something they subconsciously know is fake.

But if you are a Satanist, YOU are the GOD of your religion!

Do you doubt yourself?
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#22639 - 01/22/04 11:51 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Old_Pig]
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I doubt because I am a rationalist. That doesn't mean I'm not a Goddess of my own religion. I even have believers. Men. Haha.

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#22640 - 01/23/04 07:47 PM Re: How do I know?
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Posts: 207
Loc: Austin, TX
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I just think doubt is always also very healthy for the mind.




No, doubt is healthy for the body. Doubt in excess is unhealthy to the mind.

Confidence and self-esteem are healthy for the mind. If you had enough of either, there would be no need to post that question. Doubt serves the purpose of keeping things in check with your ego and leaving room for improvement.

Quote:

This is just my general attitude. I am very sceptic.




Do you always doubt your decisions? To me, that seems unhealthy to the mind (and the ego).
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#22641 - 01/23/04 07:59 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Scratch]
Anonymous
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Read the other replies here, especially Bill M's. He gets it.

Thanks for the lecture. i asked for other people's experiences, not a review.

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#22642 - 01/23/04 08:06 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Roxxxadelic]
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Registered: 09/30/03
Posts: 207
Loc: Austin, TX
Tha_Pig said:
Quote:

People from other religions have doubts about their gods all the time, that's why they need "faith".




You know what? Quite frankly, I agree.
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#22643 - 01/23/04 10:54 PM Re: How do I know?
Anonymous
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I agree. I just got a copy of the Satanic Bible for my birthday, as well as a copy of the Satanic Witch. I really like them both. But, I am still not sure about all this satan stuff. There is so much information to wade through, how do you know what is real or not? Should you know right away if you are Satanic or not?

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#22644 - 01/23/04 11:43 PM Re: How do I know?
Anonymous
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Greetings Ms. Betty.
Quote:

But, I am still not sure about all this satan stuff. There is so much information to wade through, how do you know what is real or not? Should you know right away if you are Satanic or not?



If you have a copy of TSB, then you will have already answered your own quesion, as far as IF you are a Satanist, or not. Satanists are "born, not made." Read on, and you may understand.
How do YOU know what is real, or not real? If you don't "wade" through the information? I also belive that Satanism is about seeking understanding, and truth. If it's too much of an effort, then don't bother. Clearly, it's not for you. Should you be of the curious nature, then you will discover your answers, with a little research.
Question Everything. That's one of my motto's. But by questioning, don't close your mind to new information.
By the way, happy BD.

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#22646 - 01/24/04 12:20 AM Re: How do I know?
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Loc: Austin, TX
Well it seems to me that what you need IS the review.

And yes, I did read the other posts...ALL of them. I agree with most of them, and part of that "review" was in agreement specifically with what Bill_M said. (The dear, he is far too sweet and patient.)

Now the point I'm going to TRY to make clear to you, (so help me) is that you don't need anyone to tell you whether you know or not.

You should be able to review you doubts on your own and decide on your own.

You don't need anyone to tell about their doubts, and you don't need anyone's reassurance.

i.e., your thread is pointless.

I will refrain from giving this thread any more of my time or energy as I may have already given it more than it's worth.

Thanks all, and goodbye. I will see you in the threads. (At least, one that is worth my time.)

Scratch is in "ignore" mode
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#22647 - 01/24/04 01:28 AM Re: How do I know? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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And lord knows I love them shit chip cookies!

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#22648 - 01/24/04 04:27 AM Re: How do I know? [Re: Scratch]
Roxxxadelic Offline


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Posts: 67
Loc: Seattle
Hmmmm, usually when I experience doubt about something, it's due to the fact that I'm working with insufficient information, so when I experience doubt, I seek out further information before I make a decision.

I assume that is what Lillan is doing here, and it seems to me a rational course of action.

If she's looking for simple reassurance, as Aracely suggests, then I agree with Aracely, in that this forum is not a place to seek reassurance from others.

Now...did anyone want any of these delicious double-shit brownies I baked?
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#22649 - 01/24/04 09:34 AM Re: How do I know?
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Thank you, kind gentleman. "Question Everything" I shall remember that.

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#22650 - 01/24/04 09:35 AM Re: How do I know? [Re: ]
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I must admit, that I haven't read both books all the way through. I just got them a couple of days ago. And, yes, as you say chocolate "shit" is good!

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#22651 - 01/27/04 12:09 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Scratch]
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No, doubt is healthy for the body. Doubt in excess is unhealthy to the mind.

Yup, all things in moderation.

You need enough doubt in order to know how to peek behind the curtain and see flaws, but you need enough hope and optimism to keep moving forward and to take important risks.
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#22652 - 01/27/04 07:19 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: TrojZyr]
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I have this proverb I like to say whenever I get into Monk mode.

"Have faith in the heart, and logic in the dust."
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#22653 - 01/27/04 10:18 PM Re: How do I know?
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I would think doubt is more healthy than not. If not for doubt, there would be no truth. Doubt is required for mental emancipation. That's why I doubt everything most people tell me, because most of the time, they are either trying to manipulate me, or they heard it from somebody else who made it up. There is very little useful knowledge on the verbal grapevine. Doubt everything that can not be proved. In science, it is false until proven a truth. Never doubt yourself though, that is unhealthy. Doubt of the self leads to depression. I trust myself and very few others. This may not be the way to live for others, but this is the way that has worked for me. By the way, Coop rules.
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#22654 - 01/28/04 04:37 AM Re: How do I know? [Re: Insurgent]
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Quote:

"Have faith in the heart, and logic in the dust."




I like my monks to phrase it as follows:
"Have faith in the heart, logic in the dust, and creativity between the sheets"
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#22655 - 01/28/04 06:46 AM Re: How do I know?
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Loc: Ann Arbor, MI
You need some herbal tea.

No caffeine! None! Its BAD for you!
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#22656 - 01/28/04 08:46 AM Re: How do I know? [Re: Roxxxadelic]
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I like that even better. *laughs*
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#22657 - 01/28/04 09:34 AM Re: How do I know?
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I doubted for a short while. Then I realised that I was letting the opinions of others, whom only knew me from a few postings, to dictate to me. I took myself away re-read the Satanic Bible plus other works by Anton LaVey and other high ranking COS members. I re-examined my views, my life and my expectation for myself. It became crystal clear. I was born Satanic, I am a Satanist.

Looking back I made it harder for myself to be accepted by some. That was totally my fault not theirs. However some of those who questioned my Satanic self have turned out to be nothing more than pseudo satanist and have long since dissappeared from this forum. Others, whom I have great respect for, may still doubt. That is up to them.
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#22658 - 01/29/04 02:47 AM Re: How do I know?
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Loc: Tokyo, Japan
I should probably be skinned alive for not remembering who I'm about to quote, but Somebody in the CoS has accurately pointed out that: "If there is any doubt, then there is no doubt." I'll admit that not every little thing goes my way whether I use lesser or greater magic, but that's hardly cause for doubt.

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#22659 - 01/29/04 10:17 AM Re: How do I know? [Re: Spitt]
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#22660 - 01/29/04 09:47 PM Re: How do I know? [Re: Spitt]
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Well, this girl may just be wisely cautious. She's new to this and apparently reacted with self-recognition upon reading The Satanic Bible, so I'd say she is likely a Satanist.

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