I just had a random thought.

I'm not much for bullfighting, either, and I'll even admit that rodeos don't always sit completely well with me, either.

But, there is perhaps one thing I can say about bullfighting--at least those poor people KNOW exactly where their free meat came from, and recognize that a bull died to feed them. (Whether they care or not is another matter.)

We in America are insulated from the deaths of so many animals that go into our steaks and burgers. It takes special effort to remember that one's chicken fingers were originally chickens.

No doubt that many of these slaughterhouses and factory farms are pretty crummy, and that many (though not all) food animals grow up in much worse circumstances than a bull who'll be in a bullfight.

In your opinion, how do you think Satanists should approach that issue, Magister? How do you approach it, if I can ask?

If we lived in a Satanic society, what would the parts of our society that involve animals look like?

Anyone else who wants to chime in is free to do so, of course.

I simply do not give business to the places that treat their animals unkindly -- or give their cows growth hormones. The places that care for their animals, giving them more room and better food, see that this is good for business. As it's usually roughly the same in cost, when people know about it, they'll probably get that meat, instead.

Hopefully many people will do so, and other businesses not so gentle with their creatures will see they are losing customers, and change their ways.

Also, hopefully -- by being an aware shopper, I believe I am aiding in a revolution -- one where people don't pump their cows full of things to make them taste better or stick them in tiny, enclosed spaces right next door to the cows being slaughtered.

(1) I do not try to change the world.

(2) I only try to change my world.

If I read about someone beating puppies to death I do not form a protest (and I do not buy tickets to watch either).

If I see someone beating puppies to death in front of me, I will do something about it.

Bullfighting is a very popular "sport" in many parts of the world. This is outside of my control and I distance myself from such things. I filter out what I do not wish to experience whenever possible.

If someone communicates here that they advocate the torture of animals, I can then post why I disagree, how this is against the ethics of Satanism, and I can then exclude their posts from my vision by hitting the "Ignore this user" button on their profile.

I do not attempt to cover the earth with leather.

I wear shoes.

Think globally, act personally .

Or something like that.

I like the sound of "don't cover the world with leather, wear shoes."

We already do live in a "Satanic society".

It is up to the individual Satanist to recognize this fact and choose mastery over his own world rather than to enter into energy-wasting "mass movements".

We are realists.

We look to what can directly affect our own selfish experience.

We look to what we actually have direct control over.

Those who do not live so, still live in a "Satanic society" from my perspective.

This understanding is critical in my opinion.

It is at the core of choosing one's self as God.

I am God.

They are my minions ... whether they understand this or not.

This world is my Satanic society.

It always will be if I choose it to be so.

The poor conditions of meat producing animals are a sad byproduct of a large population. It can be cleaned up a bit but there is a limit to how clean it can become considering the demand and output of the meat industry. A large population requires more meat and it will be delivered quickly and messy.

One way to correct this by either decreasing the human population (nice idea but it is unrealistic) or to improve technology. If people would promote research you can soon have meat grown in labs without killing a single animal and it could even taste better. Yep, I am not making it up. It is being researched as we speak.

As for being disconnected from death, that is fine by me. I have seen plenty of death and I would like to avoid it as much as possible.

If people are too disconnected and ignorant to understand that one thing must die for another then there really is no helping those fools.

"If violence is what you're after, the only options you should even be able to imagine to consider are those that only involve willing (or deserving) humans."

.....Ones that have chosen to throw away their rights as a civilized human beings and commit crimes against undeserving humans and other animals. Bringing back the Circus Maximus would be JUSTICE!, however we all know that would never happen under present circumstances, unfortunately.
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I'm not saying that giving the meat to the poor makes it any more right. I was simply answering the question as to what is done with the meat.

"I was simply answering the question as to what is done with the meat."

The meat becomes their Good-guy badge. A justification for their actions.
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Another brief off-topic question or two, Magister.

(I'm working on a personal project of sorts, where two points of view have to be in equal dialogue with each other, so I want to be able to represent both the "put leather on the world" and the "wear shoes" views with equal accuracy and fairness.)

How do you know when an issue is within or outside of your own sphere of influence? For example, the civil rights movement probably originally looked like a pipe dream, and the gay rights movement sometimes look similarly futile, but they have and will seemingly accomplish big things. If the people involved in these movements had been content to exist solely in their own sphere, they would've had to tolerate, presumably, not having certain rights and freedoms.

I think you've said something in the past about mass movements being futile, so I want to know more about that.

And, if we're sure that something absolutely is right---like treating animals well--or that something is absolutely wrong, how can we justify or explain not doing everything we can to fix the situation, especially since we say we care about animals and hate it when they suffer?

Is trying to change the world a waste of time because it can't be done, or shouldn't be done, or because the fruits aren't worth the effort expended?

Thanks in advance .

Actually, in Portugal, they do have something like that. They don't kill the bull in the arena here. They do still use those stupid spears, it seems... (but no swords). I think it's the horsemen who use those.

But otherwise, they have either one man or groups of men facing the bull without any weapons or protection, and I believe their goal is to grab the animal and make it fall or so.

At the end, either the bull is taken to be killed with a professional butcher, like all others, for food; or it is sometimes healed and taken care of, then sent to pasture for breeding.

I'm not sure of the rules and details of it. Never been to any of those things myself.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure if there is still one place in Portugal (Barrancos) where they still allow the bull to be killed, or not...

I certainly don't support the practice nonetheless. Or see any supposed "fun" in it. However, it's still often better in Portugal than it is in Spain.