Then why give it any credibility by calling it "Theistic Satanism"? Call devil worship what it is: devil worship. We've got dibs on the name "Satanism", because there was no actual, codified religion before 1966 that could be called "Satanism". So there is no need to describe "different forms of Satanism".

It's not like Christianity, where you have two sects who follow the same book and the same deity structure but just have differences over tradition, study vs. practice, which parts of the Bible to emphasize over the others, etc. Devil worshippers and Satanists have core dogmas that are completely contradictory to each other, and completely different written sources for their doctrines (The Satanic Bible vs. ideas randomly selected from church propaganda, fictional stories, tacky horror movies, etc.). They can hardly be called different sects of the same religion. Here's an essay I wrote on the subject.

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The first is a devil worshipper, and not a Satanist. The second is a Satanist, and not an idiot.



No it doesn't.

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=78163&page=1#Post78163

Thank you.

In addition to Magister Nemo's recommendation, read THIS and THIS as well.

I am honored you would choose one of my writings to support this issue.

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You are welcome.

I have greatly benefited from your wisdom many times.

It is an honor to read such wisdom.

It is even more of an honor to share it.

How, exactly, could one possibly do that? If they view and worship Satan as an athropomorphic deity, then such actions go directly against what's stated in The Satanic Bible. The dogma presented in the book goes directly against the idea of worshipping an externalized deity.

And if they're flipping right to the back of the book to perform the basic Satanic Ritual or one of the conjurations as if Satan was real, then they're ignoring the entire Book of Belial and are taking things completely out of context.



Oh no they're not! Do you even know what the word "dogma" means?

And as far as ritual goes, even if you look at old versions of the alleged "Black Mass" upon which the Satanic Le Messe Noir is based upon, or the various general "circle" rituals that inspired the standard 13-step Satanic ritual, you'll see that key parts were changed so as to make it compatible with Satanism's (dare I use the following word) dogma. There are no notions of bowing-down or self-sacrifice in the rituals found in LaVey's books.



That hardly means that the book was written for such people too.

Satan is real...a real bumper sticker, a real figure-head, a real symbol of pride (and other lovely "sins" ) AND really great in bed. Satan is as real as liberty, freedom and all forms of power. Satan is "real" just like Peter-Pan, Darth Vader and and all the other fictional idols I have on my chest.

If you want to call Satan a demon, god or deity...be my guest. I think you will be able to hear the roaring laughter from the army of REAL GODS on this earth.

I love the way you express yourself!



Well said!

If someone believes in the Christian Devil then they are a Christian. Christians are not Satanists.

To believe in something like that, without evidence, is to commit the sin of Self-Deceit. This is most certainly not Satanic.

It is possible for one to be a Satanist and believe in the Devil, if one were to be in an environment where the evidence for a Devil outweighed that againt it, but I do not know of such a place.

Yes, there is something you can do about it. Read Magister Nemo's post below titled Read & Understand ...and understand!

You can parse words, slice and dice all you want. It still doesn't add up, and doesn't amount to anything. It is an argument for the sake of hearing an argument... Read and understand!

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=78163&page=1#Post78163

You are taking things out of context.

If I did that with your posts here I could demonstrate that you think you think you have a barbed tail and horns.

If you have another agenda you might as well spit it out and get it over with.

If not, then read and understand.

There is zero confusion on this issue.

And yet, you argue that someone who believes in an actual devil and uses parts of the Satanic Bible is a Satanist. Hmmm....

I will join Magister Nemo in asking what is your real motive for this. We have seen far too much of this arguing minutae that accomplishes nothing on this board.