#23929 - 02/06/04 02:26 PM
Re: a one-legged-man and a supermodel
[Re: Jack_Bauer]
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In other words, whether you are a victim or in control of your life, including your thoughts, depends on your level of awareness, reflection and consciousness.
No.
In other words, wether you are a victim or in control of your Life (and thoughts) depends on your CHOICES.
It is not about awareness or reflection alone. You can be completely aware of your flaws/unproductive thoughts, yet choose not to take control of it and stay in your passive role of "victim".
I made a simple point. Why are you trying so hard to make it more intelligent or complicated than it is?  I thought my point was quite clear.
Like I said before, it is all about CHOICES.
We have a choice.
ALWAYS.
Simple.
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#23932 - 02/06/04 04:40 PM
Re: Perfectionism
[Re: TrojZyr]
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I too am a perfectionist, raised by a perfectionist, who was raised by a perfectionist.
Don't let that stop you from changing! Some great Satanist I know were raised by Christain who was raised by a Christian...nothing feels as good as breaking the vicious circle
Unfortunately, the society actually supports perfectionism - after all, it does results in excellence, and if you drained yourself completely in the process, it is your loss alone. I have recently been to a public lecture by a very intelligent psychiatrist, who said he's horrified to hear people saying that they are perfectionists with sense of pride - happily admitting that the result (and the accompanying praises) are positioned above their personal wishes, moods and so on.
The fact that proves this attitude is everpresent in so many today is the antistress program that you mentioned here. Striving for perfection, even if it means sleepless nights to get that formulation in paper correct (though the professor will forget it the moment s/he reads it among dozens of others, and most likely will you in time), to name but one behavioral pattern that disregards one's primal need for sleep - results in high stress, that will in some time result in slow development of psychosomatic symptoms.
After all, anti-stress program on institution where most people are in their early twenties, are there cause they have chosen to, and should have plently of time to have good time and fun too - wouldn't be necessary were there not putting themselves under much more pressure then the administration part does.
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#23933 - 02/06/04 04:51 PM
Re: a one-legged-man and a supermodel
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I wonder who would win that fight?  Hail Satan!
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#23935 - 02/06/04 05:39 PM
Re: Perfectionism
[Re: Foxy_Ramirez]
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I think the only time perfectionism might take from the magic is in the middle of a ritual.
In TSB Anton LaVey talked about an old magician he knew who ran out of words during a ritual, and in order to keep his emotional response generating he quickly adlibbed the first emotionally provocative words that came to mind - a few stanzas from a poem by Rudyard Kipling, and was then able to complete an effective working.
If perfection isn't doing the trick then spontaneity will do just as nicely.
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#23936 - 02/06/04 05:56 PM
Re: Perfectionism
[Re: Kurgan]
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I remember reading that somewhere, but I don't exactly remember where. Bleh. I think, as long as you don't try to over-do your ritual, you should be fine. Too much concentration can sometimes lead you to think too much on how your doing your ritual rather than working towards the outcome.
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#23938 - 02/06/04 10:08 PM
Re: Perfectionism
[Re: Caesar]
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Of course. I've heard that saying one too many times. You know the only reason people say that is because people never do it. XP
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#23940 - 02/07/04 04:17 AM
Re: a one-legged-man and a supermodel
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Before you can make a choice, you have to:
- be aware that you have a choice at all - reflect on your possible alternatives
And then you have to choose consciously in order to not choose according to unconscious patterns of belief.
We are in the same boat, Dymfna. You can always approach the truth from several perspectives.
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#23941 - 02/07/04 04:17 AM
Re: a one-legged-man and a supermodel
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There is no fight.
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#23942 - 02/07/04 07:00 AM
Re: a one-legged-man and a supermodel
[Re: Jack_Bauer]
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Before you can make a choice, you have to: - be aware that you have a choice at all - reflect on your possible alternatives True. What's your point though? I never said this is not true. In your first reply you said: In other words, whether you are a victim or in control of your life, including your thoughts, depends on your level of awareness, reflection and consciousness. I still say that is not the case. Wether you are a victim or in control of your life, including your thoughts, depends NOT on your level of awareness alone (like I CLEARLYstated in my previous reply) but on what we DO with that, which CHOICES me make. Being aware is one thing. Choosing to take control is another. It is all about choices. I think I was being quite clear And then you have to choose consciously in order to not choose according to unconscious patterns of belief. Sorry, that sentence made NO sense WHATsoever to me... Must be because I'm a Dutchy  Care to elaborate? 
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#23943 - 02/07/04 09:09 AM
Re: a one-legged-man and a supermodel
[Re: CPayne]
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Well of course you should try this - but you mean you are always with that successful in every situation? - I think in some few situations it is more harder.
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