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#23899 - 02/02/04 11:49 PM Re: Perfectionism
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if you set your goals too high then you are also setting yourself up for devestation and disappointment should you fail to acqire them




I find this kind of funny because a motto that I have always lived by after I heard a motivational speech was "Shoot for the moon, even if you miss you will land amoungst the stars,". Those darn motivational speakers... they should just make up their minds already.

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#23900 - 02/02/04 11:54 PM Re: Perfectionism
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I would suggest that you intentionally mix into your day some activities that don't usually draw out your vice...something that you don't particularly agonize over. Put that in between something else that you do and do this often throughout the week.




This is an excellent suggestion. I will most certainly keep this in mind.

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#23901 - 02/02/04 11:55 PM Re: Perfectionism [Re: Max Rose]
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Then again, there's always Murphy's Law...

Sometimes, learning to relax is quite a task within itself!
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#23902 - 02/03/04 01:03 AM Perfectionism (the other side) [Re: Max Rose]
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I know my standards, and I also know they are higher than most. Typically I have found that the general standard is lower than my own; so if I do a job to my standard, then it is "above and beyond" by theirs. After all, if you're going to do something, do it right!

I was running into difficulty with the standards of others. I will not ask of someone that which I cannot and do not do already. Lead by example. Yet my trainees were falling short of the mark, which was frustrating until I thought about how I came to be where I am today. It was not an overnight thing, it was and is years of study, discipline, and a lot of downfalls along the way. I grew more patient over time, and honed my personal skills, and the way I teach them to others if need be.

Relaxation will also be an effect of this. Once you meet your standard, then the job is finished, and you can breathe knowing that it is done right. Then the time is yours to do what you will.

So perfection can be useful if utilized as a tool for defining standard instead of a burden. It's you that's in the details after all.

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#23903 - 02/03/04 02:28 AM There are no "perfectionists" [Re: Max Rose]
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Perfect what you do enough to get what you want.

Do not confuse what you are with what you do.

There are no "perfectionists"

There are only people who can measure what they do by some standard.

Select your standards carefully.

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#23904 - 02/03/04 11:15 AM Re: Perfectionism [Re: Max Rose]
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You can still have balance and enjoy life when living to your own high personal standards. There is joy not only in accomplishment of attaining your standards, but also in the process of attaining. Pay attention during the process and enjoy it. That is living.

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#23905 - 02/03/04 01:26 PM Re: Perfectionism [Re: Srpntvsn]
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Murphy was an optimist.

That is what I call Discipline's Law.
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#23906 - 02/03/04 03:42 PM Re: Perfectionism [Re: Discipline]
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Most of the original workings were derived from excessive pessimism, and most are their own best antithesis, and vice versa. They have been twisted, revitalized, reworded, retheorized, etc. throughout its' 53 year existence.

At least he laughed it off when all he got was negative outcomes during tests...

I'm not exactly sure what your post is deriving at, please do clarify.

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#23907 - 02/03/04 03:59 PM Re: Perfectionism [Re: Srpntvsn]
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Just being a little humorous. It's just something I like to say to cheer me up when things have gone bad.

Is Discipline's Law the exact opposite of whatever Murphy's Law is at the time? As the original/s already negate themselves either which way.

I like that way of thinking of it. I will imply that to my "Law", Discipline's law.
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#23908 - 02/03/04 04:05 PM Re: Perfectionism [Re: Discipline]
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Gotcha!
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#23909 - 02/03/04 09:44 PM Re: Perfectionism [Re: Max Rose]
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[If it has not been suggested yet...]

Put flaws in some minor daily activities, like putting away CDs or books without organizing them in a particular way or putting together a sandwich in a sloppy way.

When I catch myself working harder than is necessary/productive, I do this as a reminder that "good is good enough" and that "perfection" is just a void that can't be filled.

If your goal is to exceed others, then do just enough to accomplish that. Knowing when to stop is important, else you'll be working on a brilliant program for three years without anything to show for it like an old acquaintance of mine.
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#23910 - 02/04/04 07:08 AM Re: Perfectionism [Re: Max Rose]
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if you set your goals too high then you are also setting yourself up for devestation and disappointment should you fail to acqire them




I find this kind of funny because a motto that I have always lived by after I heard a motivational speech was "Shoot for the moon, even if you miss you will land amoungst the stars,". Those darn motivational speakers... they should just make up their minds already.




Not meaning to argue technicalities here but .. the stars are actually further away from us than the moon

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#23911 - 02/04/04 07:36 AM Re: Perfectionism
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if you set your goals too high then you are also setting yourself up for devestation and disappointment should you fail to acqire them




I find this kind of funny because a motto that I have always lived by after I heard a motivational speech was "Shoot for the moon, even if you miss you will land amoungst the stars,". Those darn motivational speakers... they should just make up their minds already.




Not meaning to argue technicalities here but .. the stars are actually further away from us than the moon




And aren't we already "amongst the stars", since we're on a planet revolving around one?
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#23912 - 02/04/04 03:53 PM Re: Perfectionism [Re: RobertE]
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if you set your goals too high then you are also setting yourself up for devestation and disappointment should you fail to acqire them




I find this kind of funny because a motto that I have always lived by after I heard a motivational speech was "Shoot for the moon, even if you miss you will land amoungst the stars,". Those darn motivational speakers... they should just make up their minds already.




Not meaning to argue technicalities here but .. the stars are actually further away from us than the moon




And aren't we already "amongst the stars", since we're on a planet revolving around one?




The sun is still further away.

(I'm enjoying these quotes.)
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#23913 - 02/04/04 07:13 PM Wabi Sabi [Re: Max Rose]
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Begin to look at beauty in imperfection, in the slight oddities, and incompletion. Don't see imperfection as a flaw but rather find beauty in that which is unique. You will appreciate your art more and find more enjoyment in it.

I'm rather into writing poetry and I know that it gets awfully frustriating to look for that one word or phrase that will describe your thought PERFECTLY. Seeing your art develop is a lot like watching children grow up, I suppose; they never turn out quite as you're predicted, but you always seem proud either way, especially when they succeed.

Good luck with the songwriting.
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