Do you feel that Satanism requires a belief in the supernatural in any way? Certainly there is nothing in the 9 Satanic Statements that says so, nor is there in the Books of Satan and Lucifer. However, it is obvious that Anton LaVey believed in and used magic, and fully half of TSB is dedicated to the ritual and magical aspect of Satanism. Then again, the 7th Satanic Rule of the Earth says that you should acknowledge the power of magic IF you have used it successfully to obtain your desires.

So, could someone who lives and enjoys his life on his own terms and respects what Satan represents as per the 9 Satanic Statements and lives accordingly, but has no belief in the supernatural and smiles inwardly at talk of magic and the unseen, could/would this person be considered a Satanist? Because if the consensus is that magic is an integral part of Satanic belief, then I may have to reject the title of Satanist.

Magic IS an integral part of being a Satanist. It is not a naive superstition. It is a pragmatic, results-oriented activity. Your skepticism is a very useful tool but why not put that aside and try some rituals. Can't hurt and you might just be surprised by what happens.

If science of the present was the magic of the past, wouldn't it stand to reason that magic of the present is the science of the future?

Magic is not a "supernatural" thing. I think all humans utilize magic whether they realize it or not. I think most Satanists practice magic because they have a natural desire to so.

If you don't have the desire to practice magic yet are still a satisfied person who enjoys their life then who cares what somebody would lable you? Live! That's what it's all about.

The Satanic Bible says, at the very least, that the essence of lesser magic is getting people to do what you want, and the essence of greater magic is psychodrama, whereby you change yourself in order to change the world.

Doesn't sound so bad to me.

3 Feb XXXIX A.S.

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Because if the consensus is that magic is an integral part of Satanic belief, then I may have to reject the title of Satanist.

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Understanding my answer to this requires that you know that magic comes in both Lesser and Greater forms. I'll assume you've read up on this and know it, so...

If we step away from Lesser Magic and simply talk about Greater Magic, then the answer to your query is no. Greater Magic -- that is, ritual magic -- is there if you want it. If you don't, then toss it aside. Unlike many aspects that define what a Satanist is, feeling you have to engage in ritual practice -- a compulsion, mind you -- is not one of them. I know plenty of Satanists for whom ritual hasn't even the slightest bit of interest -- many of whom are Church of Satan members, as well as certain members of the hierarchy. And, sometimes, an over-interest in it can point to a pseudo-Satanist, or even what we'd called a "First Phase" type (which you can read up on if you do your homework).

Satanism does not require a belief in anything, save the faith one should inherently possess concerning one's natural abilities. The word supernatural(emphasis on 'super') loses meaning within the context of Satanism. It simply cannot exist there and the reason is quite simple. It implies the existence of something and that something usually requires a blind(ignorant acceptance) belief of one sort or another. If there is no Satan and God does not exist(or any gods for that matter)then, it follows, that all observable phenomenon are merely extensions of our 'normal'(natural) world. An useen world peopled by 'supernatural' beings,occurences,and all such pertinent nonsense have only continued to exist because the human brain has yet to evolve past this stage in our progression. That progression will happen, it isn't a question of IF. The word magic,or more specifically the term Greater Magic, is just another handle with which to grasp at an obscure part of our natures that 'feels' unknowable. It can readily be explained away as pragmatic,emotional catharsis, and if that suits it's user's purpose then more power to them, for it can certainly be a useful tool along that aspect. However, my personal opinion is that that notion can be rather limiting. The source: who you see in the mirror. The possibilities are either there or not dependant upon that same individual. Sound like alot of magical nonsense? Sure, why not?
One final comment:Magicians might be more in need of a belief in magic than Satanists. In either case taste and enjoy your own aesthetics, but beware the illusionist.

I like this answer very much.

We are the Gods of this world.

Its our choice.

I hate it when people try to convince me that there's some sort of "system" that is supposed to make it all happen, or some book, or some particular practice.

It is absolutely our choice, through and through. We are the Masters and the Source, and can choose any magic we want or no magic at all.

It doesn't matter what that choice is, if we ourselves are "the Source".

However, it is obvious that Anton LaVey believed in and used magic

I don't think he "bleieved" in the power of Magic any more than you "believe" in the computer screen that you are reading these words off of.

He knew it was an effective tool.

One does not have to utilize Greater Magic in order to be a Satanist any more than one must utilize a paintbrush to be an artist.

An artist has a number of different tools at his disposal. So does the Satanist.

Because if the consensus is that magic is an integral part of Satanic belief, then I may have to reject the title of Satanist.

I think alot of this depends on HOW you define supernatural.

I was a physics major in college and have such a skeptical mind that my husband calls me Scully as a nickname.

But I also have worked successfully (very I might add) with magic. Once you understand how magic works and how to make it work for you, it is no longer 'super'natural, just natural.

Based on my own experience, I would not let a trivial thing such as this be a significant issue.

I think along the same lines as a number of people have already stipulated, that it really depends upon how you wish to look at it.

I do not hold with any of the holographic universe claptrap and simply hold that it is a mechanical process. Even if we cannot completely explain the mechanism, there does indeed appear to be some sort of domino effect which can be set in motion due to the fact that results have proven this. I do not see it as supernatural; more as a natural, though largely unexplainable, aspect of the carnal realm.

All humans practice lesser magic. The Satanist's heightened awareness and more conscious application of this aspect of magic is a sure key to greater success than the herdlings.

Ritual magic is there if you wish to employ it, or if you simply enjoy it. Ritual magic is not an absolute prerequisite. But it can be fun, and I think due to the nature of the human mind, it does help focus one's will and determination. But as The Satanic Bible indicates, you cannot perform it and then sit on your arse - you must take steps to compliment your ritual in the real world.

Daark

Excellent! A post to take to the bank. Perhaps a "pushpin" is in order(?)

IA .º.