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#263505 - 08/09/07 11:47 AM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: gypsy]
Helian Offline


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I think it's just a disagreement about tone. I'm happy to call Satanism a religion as long as that term is completely divorced from the connotation of sheepthink, fraud, and the rationalization of atrocities that attaches to "religion" in my mind. (Some of the most spaced-out and confused judicial writing is in First Amendment opinions trying to decide whether something is a "religion"!) I like "has a philosophy." I think Satanism also has a style--maybe because in so many ways it radiates from the heart of one magnetic, elegant, witty personality.

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#263509 - 08/09/07 11:57 AM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Svengali]
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I agree with you about the sense in which it has philosophical content. As for religion, maybe the word "religion" just stinks to me because of OTHER applications, so I hesitate to apply it to anything cool.

Before our discussion I'd never thought to wonder where the word "religion" comes from. I just peeked in the OED and discovered that the earliest recorded sense is "A state of life bound by monastic vows; the condition of one who is a member of a religious order, esp. in the Roman Catholic Church." It is interesting (to me at least, I love words) that a word that denoted such stringencies has evolved to be so supple and vague. We have litigation in the Supreme Court about whether something is a religion, but whether someone is a monk or not is pretty easy to figure out.

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#263510 - 08/09/07 11:59 AM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Helian]
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Look up "virtue."
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#263514 - 08/09/07 12:08 PM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Svengali]
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Very cool (I paste the etymology and first definition below). A godlikeness rooted in manliness.

Someone could probably write an illuminating history of our religious and legal traditions, and maybe more, by tracing as "story arcs" the development of a few key words from earliest use to now.

>>[a. AF. and OF. vertu (F. vertu, = It. virtů, Sp. virtud, Pg. virtude), ad. L. virt{umac}t-, virtus manliness, valour, worth, etc., f. vir man.]

I. As a quality of persons.

1. a. The power or operative influence inherent in a supernatural or divine being. Now arch. or Obs.<<

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#263516 - 08/09/07 12:14 PM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Helian]
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Someone once pointed out the irony of a term originally refering to the strength and courage of a man coming to refer to the chastity of a woman.
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Live and Let Die.
"If I have to choose between defending the wolf or the dog, I choose the wolf, especially when he is bleeding." -- Jaques Verges
"I may have my faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." -- Jimmy Hoffa
"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
“A membership ticket in this party does not confer genius on the holder.” -- Benito Mussolini
MY BOOK: ESSAYS IN SATANISM | MY BLOG: COSMODROMIUM | Deep Satanism Blog

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#263517 - 08/09/07 12:17 PM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Svengali]
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I've even heard it used euphemistically for a body part--when someone "covered her virtue," she was covering something not usually associated through language with strong and courageous men.... :-D

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#263518 - 08/09/07 12:19 PM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Svengali]
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 Originally Posted By: Svengali
Someone once pointed out the irony of a term originally refering to the strength and courage of a man coming to refer to the chastity of a woman.

It's probably because it takes so much strength to remain chaste. ;\)
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#263549 - 08/09/07 02:05 PM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Helian]
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When I said Satanism is not a philosophy, I had in mind the discipline that goes by that name, not "philosophy" in any loose sense of a collection of opinions or attitudes. Philosophy the discipline has standards of clarity and rigor that are simply not met by the "canonical" writings of Satanism, however enjoyable and otherwise meritorious they certainly are.


I beg to differ. The core writings of Satanism want for nothing of clarity or rigor. The difference between the canonical writings of Satanism, and the practice of philosophers, lies elsewhere.
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#263598 - 08/09/07 06:18 PM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Helian]
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Questioning religions does not imply dismissing them. I questioned the logic in the Satanic Bible. I found that it contained logically sound premises and conclusions.

If I agree, I am not following. You would agree with me that this message board is useful? Are you following me?

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Process - 2 a (1): a natural phenomenon marked by gradual changes that lead toward a particular result <the process of growth> (2): a continuing natural or biological activity or function <such life processes as breathing> b: a series of actions or operations conducing to an end; especially : a continuous operation or treatment especially in manufacture
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I create a process which destroys my annoyance.

And I am not pulling your leg. I am serious. Your lack of an answer casts you in poor light.

Your passive writing reflects both a lack of understanding and literacy.




Edited by Drimlybunk (08/09/07 06:20 PM)
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#263644 - 08/09/07 11:19 PM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Helian]
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Very well then, have it your way:

YOU ARE WRONG! INCREDIBLY WRONG!


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#263693 - 08/10/07 04:12 AM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: Drimlybunk]
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 Originally Posted By: Drimlybunk

Satanists agree with -EVERYTHING- in the Satanic Bible. We do not need convincing or discussion. We just do. Agreeing with the Satanic Bible makes us Satanists. If you disagree with any part of the Satanic Bible (including and highlighted by Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth, Nine Satanic Statements, or Nine Satanic Sins) you are not a Satanist.


Exactly.

It was never a question of me "agreeing" with anything in The Satanic Bible, because to "disagree" would mean that I denied who I am.

So the whole idea of skipping or twisting any parts of The Satanic Bible is pointless.

You either are, or you aren't. Nothing to worry about.

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#264623 - 08/14/07 04:20 AM Re: 11 Satanic Rules What if you dont follow a rule? [Re: LuminousMind]
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If a government sprang up, using the 11 Rules of the Earth as its Bill of Rights or what have you, that's a country I'm moving to, post haste.

Herd Mentality or no, those rules make sense from an animalistic, pragmatic standpoint. Someone coming to my house to offend me has no business being there, nor do I ever seek to go somewhere where I will not be welcome.

C'mon, if he wrote these out with any less teeth, they wouldn't be as fun. This is Anton LaVey we're talkin about, who felt himself as a religious leader more in tune with Vlad the Impaler, then Mother Theresa :P
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