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#255438 - 07/12/07 12:39 PM Re: ... [Re: Minus]
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You should probably make another website for another ungrateful... person. That was probably the funniest thing I saw on these forums.

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#255452 - 07/12/07 01:25 PM Re: ... [Re: Minus]
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Here's my two cents:

Because personality is influenced and shaped by nature (genetics) and nurture (experiences, socialization) interacting with each other, in many ways, yes, there are many aspects of personality that cannot be changed in themselves.

For example, no amount of exposure to cah-razay parties and mobs of people will turn me into an extrovert.

But, you can choose to channel your personality in certain ways, and you can change your behaviors. Though our traits may be solid, the way we choose to use or interpret them is fluid.
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#255453 - 07/12/07 01:31 PM Re: ... [Re: TrojZyr]
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For example, no amount of exposure to cah-razay parties and mobs of people will turn me into an extrovert.


I agree with most of your points but I feel that it could change you if you were less intelligent and easily influenced by those around you.
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#255457 - 07/12/07 01:43 PM Re: ... [Re: Minus]
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Change on what level, though?

Introversion and extroversion, for instance, are rooted in the brain and genetics. They've even found that innies and outies have different brain structures.

Can you change how a person interprets their experiences, and therefore acts? Of course.

Less intelligent introverts just shove down their emotions using self-talk, drugs, distraction, or alcohol, and tell themselves that it's all for the best. But, that doesn't change the fact that they come home tired and stressed at core level.

Believe me, I've tried to change aspects of my core nature that I thought were "bad," and it's never worked. Ditto for trying to change other people. Changing behaviors or rationales, however, has worked. Talking to myself (or others) in ways that still appeal to the needs and interests of the core nature also work.

Studies on twins, for example, have definitely shown that personality/temperament/nature has a genetic component.

If personality were so malleable, with the right training, anyone could become a Satanist. But, in my younger years, I tried to shape some of my friends into Satanists, and it simply didn't work. Ditto for when I tried to make people more analytical, more industrious, or more easygoing.
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#255458 - 07/12/07 01:46 PM Re: ... [Re: Minus]
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I entered this discussion in hopes Minus would stop being so sarcastic. Well, it seems to be the case.
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#255460 - 07/12/07 01:52 PM Re: ... [Re: TrojZyr]
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So does that mean you feel you were an introvert before you had any personal interactions? Have you considered that maybe the reason you are an introvert is because of some of these early interactions and how they affected you?

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Introversion and extroversion, for instance, are rooted in the brain and genetics.


Can you point me to some sources so I can read up on this? I'm not sure I buy the notion that one can be an introvert or an extrovert prior to having any tangible interactions.
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#255462 - 07/12/07 01:54 PM Re: ... [Re: Discipline]
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I entered this discussion in hopes Minus would stop being so sarcastic.


Sarcastic? I was genuinely sorry to disappoint.
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#255469 - 07/12/07 02:06 PM Some Useful Links! [Re: Minus]
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Edited by Amon666 (07/12/07 02:09 PM)
Edit Reason: Added more links!
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#255474 - 07/12/07 02:15 PM Re: Some Useful Links! [Re: Amon666]
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#255475 - 07/12/07 02:16 PM Re: ... [Re: Minus]
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 Originally Posted By: Minus
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Roho: I entered the thread earlier, simply because I knew you were probably saying something funny.


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Mr Sam: ...the reason I entered this one was because Minus might have said something funny again.


Shit boys, sorry to disappoint...



Actually, Minus, you did not disappoint. I shall, from henceforth, picture you with a pickle in your hand. Now, if I could just keep it out of my head when I visit the local deli...
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#255478 - 07/12/07 02:22 PM Re: Some Useful Links! [Re: Minus]
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Introversion and extroversion relate to stimulii, as well as interaction. So, extroverts also enjoy loud parties, extreme sports, amusement parks, casinos--anything that gets their juice jumping. Introverts are much more sensitive, so they reach the point of overload much quicker.

You can even see this in babies. Some babies adore lots of stimulation, and are quick to seek it out, while others begin to get upset if their day is too busy or too much is going on around them.

And, I'm sure that my experiences shaped and heightened my nature from there. Certainly, I'm pretty misanthropic because of some of my experiences. My parents exposed me to certain (largely introverted) hobbies and pursuits that I like to this day, such as reading books. And, I've never felt bad about being introverted, because I never had anyone bugging me to go be sociable or be wildly, loudly active when I didn't want to be. (Whereas some innies grow up feeling very guilty about not wanting to spend time doing "fun" things and being with people, while some extroverts grow up shy and afraid because they got burned early.)

A good book is the Introvert Advantage. I don't recall the author off the top of my head, sorry :(.
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#255480 - 07/12/07 02:28 PM Re: Some Useful Links! [Re: Amon666]
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While I appreciate you digging up those links, they do not really address what I am looking for. They merely explain introversion and extroversion. I am already familiar with the meaning of these terms. I am looking for info pertaining to a genetic link that decides which trait you will exhibit.
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#255484 - 07/12/07 02:39 PM Re: Some Useful Links! [Re: TrojZyr]
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I agree with everything you've stated here and it seems to mesh with what I was saying earlier.

My only problem is that I don't believe we are pre-destined by our genes to be one or the other.

I believe our experiences (even as far back as infancy) help mold our personalities and then we can either spend the rest of our lives waiting for that concrete to dry or we can chip away at it and sculpt it into something beautiful that we can be proud of.
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#255485 - 07/12/07 02:41 PM Re: ... [Re: Minus]
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 Originally Posted By: Minus
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Can you change whether or not you like pickles? That one is debatable...


It's also debatable if that would constitute a personality trait.

Just for the record, I love pickles more than you can imagine.


Not as much as Eve does. I am eating one right NOW! My favourite ones are the ones that come in those pouches..... the hot ones!

Right now...sigh, I got the wrong one which is a 'sour pickle'...

ohhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhh where is this thread going?

True, you CAN change your personality. The only thing you CANNOT change is your DNA.
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#255487 - 07/12/07 02:45 PM Re: ... [Re: Evil_Eve]
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You can change your DNA, but still with unforseeable consequences.

Trust me, I'm a biochemist \:\)

(This reminds me a lot of that saying "trust me, I'm a doctor")

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