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#277119 - 10/14/07 05:21 PM My cross
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This has been bothering me for a few weeks now:
When I did my second communion (I think that's the english for it) it's a custom here that we wear a small wooden cross all day. I did it and after that day I hang it above my bed. It's been there for 7 years now. Also by the time I started checking up on Satanism. I never paid much attention to the cross anymore but a few weeks ago when coming home drunk from a late night party I noticed it was still there even though I consider myself a Satanist. And now I see it every night when I go to bed but I don't remove it. I still have respect for Christianity, is that the reason it's still there? But yet I want to remove it but I don't. Why do thinkg that is? Should I remove it?

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#277120 - 10/14/07 05:32 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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#277121 - 10/14/07 05:35 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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 Quote:
Should I remove it?


That's entirely up to you. If there's some kind of aesthetic value, some sort of nostalgic affect, then I'd say keep it around, what can it hurt?

But you're the one that has to decide whether or not you want symbols you don't agree with hanging on your walls.

All of that aside, however, I promise that you won't spontaneously combust for keeping it around. There's no Satanic 'cross police' itching to come bursting into your home to take it down and bring you up on charges of apostasy.


Edited by Poetaster (10/14/07 05:36 PM)
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#277133 - 10/14/07 07:21 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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It's very important to do things sober that you think of doing when you're drunk.

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#277147 - 10/14/07 09:27 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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Well it's supposed to represent the death of Jesus or something along the line. Sounds pretty antichristian to me, I always wondered how it got into people's minds that meat on a stick would make a good religious symbol. It would be like flying a giant stingray kite at Steve Irwin's funeral. (No offense to Steve, I loved the fellow)

You can always just pretend it's a lowercase "t".

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#277148 - 10/14/07 09:30 PM Re: My cross [Re: RandomStranger]
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If you were such a "good" xtian, why did you convert to Satanism? Secondly, I couldn't care less what you do with it. It's a matter of what would bring you more pleasure; leave it up, or take it down. It's not going to change a thing.

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#277149 - 10/14/07 09:36 PM Re: My cross [Re: Evil Jack]
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If the cross it self has sentimental or aesthetic value then by all means leave it up.

If it bothers you that it is a xtian artifact then simply invert it and you get to keep the sentimental value and remove the xtian symbolism behind it.
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#277167 - 10/14/07 11:03 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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Partying, drinking, and hanging crosses? Holly Molly! \:o
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#277180 - 10/14/07 11:52 PM Re: My cross [Re: Evil Jack]
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You have replied to the wrong person. I certainly didn't convert to Satanism and I have never been a Christian.
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#277181 - 10/15/07 12:10 AM Re: My cross [Re: RandomStranger]
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No, leave it where it is. You know why it is still there.
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#277190 - 10/15/07 12:52 AM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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There is a cross hanging in my room too. It has a sentimental value for my wife, because it was the crucifix her grandmother wore when she was buried, or something like that.

It doesn't bother me. I can say I practically don't see it at all. My wife also have several figurines of other mythological figures like Buddha and Capt. Kirk.

On my side, I have Osiris, Anubis, several nameless Egyptian ushabties, Cthulhu and a Hellraiser puzzle cube and a candle shaped as a gargoyle. So our room is full of religious icons, but we don't look at them as worship objects, but just decoration.

In your case, if that object has a sentimental value, why not keep it? It can't harm you in any way.

But if you feel bothered by it, just take it off the wall and put it in a drawer.
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#277193 - 10/15/07 01:00 AM Re: My cross [Re: LKRice]
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I am so glad dr. Lavey did not have to see this shit.
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#277197 - 10/15/07 02:08 AM Re: My cross [Re: StabAvery]
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I'm sure, Slvrain, that this type of thing was present during his life, it would just have been presented in letter form, or in person.

I'm sure, though, that he would have dealt with it with the upmost sincerity and thoughtfulness. ;\)

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#277226 - 10/15/07 09:45 AM Re: My cross [Re: LKRice]
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 Originally Posted By: LKRice
Why do you think we would care?


I was simply asking for everyone's opinion, I wasn't asking to care.

 Originally Posted By: iron
Well it's supposed to represent the death of Jesus or something along the line.


not really, the cross is more than that to christians. It's supposed to be standing on a mountain of the death and therefor stating that Jesus stands above that.

 Originally Posted By: Evil Jack
If you were such a "good" xtian, why did you convert to Satanism?


I never said I was a good christian. I think I stated in my introduction why I became a Satanist, if I remember correctly.

to everyone else: I don't think it has any sentimental value to me but giving the fact it's still there, maybe subconcious it has.
thanx for your thoughts.

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#277228 - 10/15/07 10:00 AM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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It has no sentimental value, it is just left there based on the respect you hold for Christianity?

It'll probably more convenient for you to just leave it up.

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#277230 - 10/15/07 10:06 AM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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I know where you can put it.

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#277251 - 10/15/07 01:29 PM Re: My cross [Re: Evil_Eve]
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"There is a cross hanging in my room too. It has a sentimental value for my wife, because it was the crucifix her grandmother wore when she was buried, or something like that."

Grave robber!
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#277253 - 10/15/07 01:53 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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The question tells us more about your comfort with Satanism than the cross does.

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#277272 - 10/15/07 03:36 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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 Originally Posted By: Black_Core
a few weeks ago when coming home drunk from a late night party I noticed it was still there even though I consider myself a Satanist. And now I see it every night when I go to bed but I don't remove it. I still have respect for Christianity, is that the reason it's still there? But yet I want to remove it but I don't. Why do thinkg that is? Should I remove it?



I see no mystery here. It is still there because you have not taken it down. You have not taken it down because you have not noticed it, until now. You should be glad.

My fee is two live chickens. Please leave them with my well endowed, insanely blonde receptionist.

BTW...You may as well leave it. Displaying a cross makes you no mmore of a Christian than hanging a Baphomet will make you a Satanist. ;\)
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#277323 - 10/15/07 06:31 PM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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 Originally Posted By: roho_the_rooster
I see no mystery here. It is still there because you have not taken it down. You have not taken it down because you have not noticed it, until now. You should be glad.


I seem to remember you accusing me of being a Vulcan, a while back. Seems the shoe is on the other foot now...

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#277334 - 10/15/07 06:40 PM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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thank you roho for helping annoy my brother (whom I live with) by making me laugh alot while reading LttD.

you and Nemo are probably the funniest cats in here.

really just wanted tell you that...
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#277340 - 10/15/07 07:04 PM Re: My cross [Re: Mr Sam]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr Sam
 Originally Posted By: roho_the_rooster
I see no mystery here. It is still there because you have not taken it down. You have not taken it down because you have not noticed it, until now. You should be glad.


I seem to remember you accusing me of being a Vulcan, a while back. Seems the shoe is on the other foot now...



Why did I accuse you of being a Vulcan?

Oh...Live long, and prosper.


Edited by roho_the_rooster (10/15/07 07:08 PM)
Edit Reason: Recovering from Vulcan nerve pinch.
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#277341 - 10/15/07 07:12 PM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Here it is.

To be honest I don't really know much about Star Trek.

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#277353 - 10/15/07 08:30 PM Re: My cross [Re: Mr Sam]
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 Originally Posted By: Mr Sam
Here it is.

To be honest I don't really know much about Star Trek.



That was a compliment.
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#277354 - 10/15/07 08:48 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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You should remove it immediately then severely beat yourself for no less than 30 minutes.

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#277355 - 10/15/07 08:54 PM Re: My cross [Re: DickSteele]
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 Originally Posted By: DickSteele
You should remove it immediately then severely beat yourself for no less than 30 minutes.



It was small enough to fit aroubnd his neck; so, it would do very little damage.

So...Don't you think maybe three hours is more like it?


Edited by roho_the_rooster (10/15/07 08:56 PM)
Edit Reason: Had to wash the stigmatic blood from my hands.
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#277462 - 10/16/07 01:00 PM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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30 minutes for starters then 3 hours for being stupid-good suggestion Roho!

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#277515 - 10/16/07 06:21 PM Re: My cross [Re: DickSteele]
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so I guess there's no harm in keeping it up there.

thanx, guys and gals

 Originally Posted By: DickSteele
You should remove it immediately then severely beat yourself for no less than 30 minutes.


no thanx, I think I'll pass

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#277561 - 10/16/07 09:28 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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Keep the cross up!

Thou shalt not betray the Black Jesus!



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#277598 - 10/17/07 12:40 AM Re: My cross [Re: Callier]
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If it is a matter of the subconscious then the only one who can answer your question is you. But then again maybe the idea that it is still up just because you haven't noticed it before is a good answer as well. Who knows.

Oh and in reply to the black Jesus picture: Damn if I had known Jesus was that good looking I never would have left Christianity.

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#277698 - 10/17/07 01:23 PM Re: My cross [Re: Callier]
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That is one hot jesus! Maybe it is the bondage thing, I don't know.

To the orginial poster:

What do you mean by "respect christianity"? Do you mean you respect other people's right to choose to believe in whatever they want? Or do you mean you feel christianity has some good points or what?

I ask this question because I think you still have some lingering christianity ghosts. You say you embrace Satanism, yet you do not take down a symbol that represents christianity even though you want to. I think there is a reason for that. Not only are you having a difficult time getting yourself to take it down, it obviously bothers you that you haven't taken it down. It bothers you enough that you posted about it here and you notice the cross now every night.

Sometimes when people who have been raised in christian households realize they are Satanists, they have a difficult time letting go of their past religious traditions and beliefs. This is not a problem if it is not a problem to you. (For example, I still celebrate christmas, but it is a secular christmas celebration).

You might find that if you do something totally blasphemous it helps to affirm your break with your past religion and helps chase away the christianity ghosts. The first couple of Satanic Rituals I did were as blasphemous as I could get them in order to feel a tangible break with my traditional religion.

You might want to take down the cross and destroy it as a symbol of your embracing Satanism. (unless it will cause you a rash of shit with your family) If you are keeping it because someone you love gave it to you, then that is a different matter.

Be honest with yourself about what that cross means to you. You may have some lingering doubts about what will happen if you don't believe in jesus anymore. Nagging in the back of your mind, the worry that you will be subjected to torment and torture for all eternity. ( You know....like...what if it is really true?)

Maybe I am being overly analytical here, but those christianity ghosts can be quite tenacious. \:\/

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Edited by dragondancer (10/17/07 01:28 PM)
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#277805 - 10/17/07 10:02 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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 Originally Posted By: Black_Core
so I guess there's no harm in keeping it up there.

It's only harmful if you consider it harmful.

On the plus side, it might come in handy someday, because you never know when you might be attacked by a vampire.

That said, it would probably be a good idea to also hang a magen david up there, in case you're attacked by a Jewish vampire.

Don't even get me started about what a pain in the neck Buddhist vampires can be...
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#277838 - 10/18/07 01:25 AM Re: My cross [Re: Majic]
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If you eat enough garlic (or have bad enough breath via other means) even the Buddhist vampires will stay away. As will werewolves, zombies, mad scientists and even the dreaded Jehovah's Witness monsters.

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#277848 - 10/18/07 02:53 AM Re: My cross [Re: Maqlu]
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Isn't Buffy supposed to save us if we get attacked by vampires \:D
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#277867 - 10/18/07 08:44 AM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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For the record, I have one overtly Christian picture hanging in my house. It is a picture of a small black boy kneeling beside his bed, in prayer. On the other side of the bed, also kneeling, with folded hands, is Jesus. The reason I have it up is because my parents gave that picture to us when they traveled from SC to see their new grandson, for the first time. Because of the history between my parents and I concerning creating a family of more than one race, that picture holds meaning devoid of any reference to Christianity. It represents the willingness of my parents to accept something that has been alien to them.

The true test that one has found closure with their religious past is the ability to view it’s symbols with the same neutrality as any other cultural artifact. They have no power in and of themselves. They especially have no power over one not held by the sway of the represented religion. Since my son has absolutely no Christian baggage to work through, it would be hateful for us to dispose of a gift given to him by his grandparents. As Dragon Dancer stated, if a cross is causing so much ambiguity, there is certainly still a connection with Christianity. Satanism has an adversarial relationship with Christianity. As such, there is no greater power over another than to deny it’s symbols any meaningfulness.

But if you really need to get it out of your system, I suggest this: http://www.divine-interventions.com/mary.html
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#277872 - 10/18/07 09:15 AM Re: My cross [Re: dragondancer]
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 Originally Posted By: dragondancer
That is one hot jesus! Maybe it is the bondage thing, I don't know.







Christian symbols are chock full of sexual references. You would be hard pressed to find of picture of Jesus that is not feminine…with pouting lips, blue eyes and great hair. Mary is usually hot. And then there is…sweaty fishermen taking off their shirts, Jesus washing feet, a woman washing Jesus’ feet with her hair (“feet” was an Old Testament euphemism for the genitals), the frequent use of lilies, roses and other flowers (rose bud), John laying his head on Jesus lap, constant fixation on virgins. If anyone has had the pleasure of witnessing a “holy roller” meeting, you know that there is little visual or audio difference between someone being “filled with the spirit” and having an orgasm. It has been noted that during times of “revival” there are as many souls begotten as begotten again. Those buggers are obsessed with sex! Jesus being stripped, beaten, tied up, a “sword” entering a gash.

Come on!
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#277881 - 10/18/07 10:00 AM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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I agree - I went to an exibition of Raphael's paintings a couple of years back and ended up purchasing a post card of one of his paintings with Jesus looking extremely hot dressed in just a loin cloth and the crown of thorns which I pinned to my work cubicle wall. Jesus with a six pack, yum yum.
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#277885 - 10/18/07 10:18 AM Re: My cross [Re: Scion]
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#277896 - 10/18/07 11:22 AM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Indeed I did :4)
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#277904 - 10/18/07 12:20 PM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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(“feet” was an Old Testament euphemism for the genitals)


Ya learn something new every day.

The rest was familiar, but that was new.

There used to be an ad running on local TV from a church in Abbotsford where the skit was two girls in a laundromat and one is reading the paper. The other teases her, saying something to the effect of "Are you still searching for the perfect man in the personal ads? C'mon!"

The first one says that no, she's found him and her friend just HAS to hear this ad. 'I would die for yoou. I will love you unconditionally...' and so on ad nauseum.

The two girls then start fighting over the paper with much "I want him" "Gimme the ad" "No, he's mine!" etc (with a lot of orgasmic squealing to boot) and then the video slowly overexposes to a pure white screen saying "Jesus: The Perfect Man" and the contact info for this church.

Actually, several years ago I wrote an essay about the use of sex and fetishism to sell Christianity, which for the last year was "lost" with a lot of my old writings because they weren't compatible with my Mac, but I just got tipped off by a friend that if I upload those documents into Google Docs I can then reformat them and download them in a working manner to my Mac without having to buy any shitty Microsoft programs. Maybe one of these days I'll post some of those, albeit with some updating and editing - after all, that piece was written long before the S&M porn spectacular that was "The Passion of the Christ".

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#277905 - 10/18/07 12:21 PM Re: My cross [Re: verszou]
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I thought she moved on to bigger and better movie roles. ;\)

Then again, I haven't heard much about her since, so maybe the vampires got to her.

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#277927 - 10/18/07 03:25 PM Re: My cross [Re: Maqlu]
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 Originally Posted By: Maqlu
I thought she moved on to bigger and better movie roles. ;\)


Ah, no - that was Sarah Michelle Gellar \:\) Buffy is still doing what she does best, Dark Horse is publishing what they call season eight. It's written by Joss Whedon and considered to be canon. Currenly Brian K. Vaughan is filling in with a short story about Faith.

So since I don't want to carry a cross I've put up a Buffy poster in my bedroom to discourage any vampires \:\)
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#277928 - 10/18/07 03:25 PM Re: My cross [Re: Maqlu]
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That would be interesting to read.

I am reminded of recurring dreams from childhood. Jesus was on the cross, naked, and his divine rod would have made John Holmes envious. It was very menacing. Sometimes, with loinclothe, he would would come off the cross and chase me. Other times he would come out of religious pictures. Sometimes he would turn into my father.

Why? Because Christianity is constantly giving off strong sexual vibes, while, at the same time, repressing any conscious, healthy way of expressing said sexuality, save the confines of matrimony. The reason he turned into my father is obvious..."Our Father..."

That mix is very unhealthy. It was more so at the age when hormones begin to flow, and one is trying to figure out what to do with them. The message of Christianity is "Eat this! Now...you must be punished." It is full of repressed sexuality, incest and brutality...Welcome to the average American family.
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#277930 - 10/18/07 03:29 PM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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 Originally Posted By: roho_the_rooster
For the record, I have one overtly Christian picture hanging in my house.



So as to be an equal opportunity offender...I also have a statue of Buddha, because he looks calm...some Hindu dress, because my wife's "adopted brother" is Hindu...and a Minnorah, because it reminds me of Sarah Silverman...I really, really like Sarah Silverman.
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#277952 - 10/18/07 05:39 PM Re: My cross [Re: dragondancer]
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 Originally Posted By: dragondancer

What do you mean by "respect christianity"? Do you mean you respect other people's right to choose to believe in whatever they want? Or do you mean you feel christianity has some good points or what?


I guess both of those. I still find both bibles (christian and Satanic) an intresting piece of reading material.

 Originally Posted By: dragondancer

Sometimes when people who have been raised in christian households realize they are Satanists, they have a difficult time letting go of their past religious traditions and beliefs. This is not a problem if it is not a problem to you. (For example, I still celebrate christmas, but it is a secular christmas celebration).


Aye, my mother is still the head of the group that educates the 12 years olds for their second communion so she's hightly christian but she doesn't talk much about it to me. I guess she accepted that I chose not to be christian when I refused to go to the Christmas mass with the rest of the family.

 Originally Posted By: dragondancer
You might want to take down the cross and destroy it as a symbol of your embracing Satanism. (unless it will cause you a rash of shit with your family) If you are keeping it because someone you love gave it to you, then that is a different matter.


It won't get me into trouble other than maybe with my mom but that's highly unlikely since I don't care what she thinks about it and she knows that.

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#278046 - 10/19/07 03:50 AM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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Doing God's Will

Joking aside, it's very understandable that you have mixed feelings about this.

Traditional religions manifest their effects on us in many ways both obvious and subtle -- especially when we're indoctrinated into them from birth.

The decision about whether to keep the cross over your bed seems simple enough on the surface, right?

If you want it there, keep it there. If you don't, don't. And that is indeed all there is to that.

The real issue, of course, is that you're not sure what you want.

One way to test the waters is to go ahead and take it down. Put it somewhere safe. There's no need to destroy it. Just leave it safely tucked away for a week or two.

Then -- when/if the thought occurs to you -- ask yourself if you would rather put it back up.

At that point, you'll know what you want to do.
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#278092 - 10/19/07 10:44 AM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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Be true to yourself, be what you want to be, but Satanism might not be your trip in the very end. It's not a shame, as Satanism isn't for everyone.
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#278111 - 10/19/07 01:13 PM Re: My cross [Re: x9x]
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Indeed. To embrace Satanism to "fit in" would be to utterly miss the point.
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#278119 - 10/19/07 02:26 PM Re: My cross [Re: x9x]
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 Originally Posted By: x9x
Satanism might not be your trip


I agree with what you said. I also could not help but think of "The Mod Squad" when I read the above quote. "Jesus is a bad scene, Man."
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#278130 - 10/19/07 04:38 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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I'm wondering why this thread is 4 pages long for such a simple matter...

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#278131 - 10/19/07 04:41 PM Re: My cross [Re: Philotechnic]
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I was thinking the same thing right before I read your post.
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#278132 - 10/19/07 04:45 PM Re: My cross [Re: HellofallHells]
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"Great minds..."

Strange how that phrase is used a lot, but not true in any sense as most great minds don't think alike whatsoever.

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#278139 - 10/19/07 05:30 PM Re: My cross [Re: Philotechnic]
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 Originally Posted By: Paul Von Slagle
I'm wondering why this thread is 4 pages long for such a simple matter...



Now you guys just made the thread 5 pages long! \:D
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#278151 - 10/19/07 06:40 PM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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We could probably stretch it for 6 just talking about how long it is.

But it is simple really, simple questions attract a lot of answers. The harder a question, or 'discussion topic', the less likely people are to attempt it. Unless of course it is a particularly interesting topic.

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#278177 - 10/19/07 08:52 PM Re: My cross [Re: Mr Sam]
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Yep. As Tiny Elvis might say, this thread is HEWGE.

So, um... how 'bout them crosses? \:D
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#278178 - 10/19/07 08:58 PM Re: My cross [Re: Majic]
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The largest thread I have found so far is the one on time travel. This one will catch up to it in three weeks...unless I messed up the space-time continuum.
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#278180 - 10/19/07 09:02 PM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Actually, it caught up to the time travel thread twenty-six years ago, but due to the effects of time dilation, it will seem like three weeks from now.
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#278202 - 10/20/07 03:17 AM Re: My cross [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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 Originally Posted By: roho_the_rooster
The largest thread I have found so far is the one on time travel. This one will catch up to it in three weeks...unless I messed up the space-time continuum.


That thread would be twice as long if I had mentioned I used to have a Delorean. But I didn't want to create controversy...
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#278327 - 10/20/07 04:59 PM Re: My cross [Re: Philotechnic]
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Use the threaded mode and you can not read it faster! ;\)

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#278329 - 10/20/07 05:03 PM Re: My cross [Re: Nemo]
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Ah excellent! Thanks, it's much better this way!

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#278729 - 10/23/07 02:17 AM Re: My cross [Re: verszou]
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 Originally Posted By: verszou
So since I don't want to carry a cross I've put up a Buffy poster in my bedroom to discourage any vampires \:\)

I myself just beat them over the head with spoons, as I've always said in my profile.
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#278750 - 10/23/07 04:16 AM Re: My cross [Re: Bill_M]
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 Originally Posted By: Bill_M
 Originally Posted By: verszou
So since I don't want to carry a cross I've put up a Buffy poster in my bedroom to discourage any vampires \:\)

I myself just beat them over the head with spoons, as I've always said in my profile.


\:\) guess a wooden spoon could double as a stake just in case the beating over the head didn't do the trick \:D
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#279918 - 10/28/07 08:26 AM Re: My cross [Re: Majic]
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 Originally Posted By: Majic
Indeed. To embrace Satanism to "fit in" would be to utterly miss the point.


it surely is not to fit in anywhere. As far as I know, I'm the only Satanist in a 200 mile radius.

but I got my froshing (Canadian translation of what I mean) last tueseday and I put the mark I got from that up instead of the cross. The cross is now put away in a box in my closet with my soccer medals. So far I haven't thought about it anymore.

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#279929 - 10/28/07 10:14 AM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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 Originally Posted By: Black_Core
The cross is now put away in a box in my closet with my soccer medals. So far I haven't thought about it anymore.


Until this post, of course.

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#481549 - 10/10/12 01:18 PM Re: My cross [Re: Black_Core]
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im trying to join the church can you help me

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