#369909 - 01/26/09 02:28 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: Dr. Obscene]
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CoS Reverend
Registered: 07/28/01
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Loc: New England, USA
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Damn, this is one old thread.
I was recently interviewed by a reporter doing a piece on Satanism, and the subject of relationships came up. I told him: different-faith relationships CAN work. I've seen it happen. However, if a person seriously believes that their partner is in some sort of danger (metaphysical or otherwise) due to their choice of religion, then it ain't gonna work!
Personally I've found that the best relationships I've had are the ones where personal religious beliefs simply never come up in conversation. This goes for friendships too. And of course, if two people are Satanists there's still no guarantee that the relationship will go anywhere.
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#369927 - 01/26/09 04:40 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: Bill_M]
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Registered: 01/12/09
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Loc: Colorado Springs
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I think of religion as a form of mostly benign (though occasionally very destructive) self-delusion. It's okay for people to worship Demons or Aliens, Yahweh, Allah, or Santa Claus; to engage in whatever fictions gratify them... as long as they hurt no one but themselves. However, if a person seriously believes that their partner is in some sort of danger (metaphysical or otherwise) due to their choice of religion, then it ain't gonna work! I would generally try to dissuade those I care about from hurting themselves, at least in any overt fashion. Now this sentiment can swing both ways. I don't think I could share my life with someone if I am worried about them causing themselves or others pain because of their blind following of words in a book, or another man's supposed knowledge of "god's will". I have no problem with someone being concerned for the safety of their partner, now, but it wouldn't work if my boy were constantly concerned over what would happen to me after I bite the dust. That would get in the way of him just loving me and enjoying our time together while I'm alive.
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I would I could stand on a busy corner, hat in hand, and beg people to throw me all their wasted hours. ~Bernard Berenson
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#369929 - 01/26/09 05:15 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: dopeoncandycanes]
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This is an old thread, but I'm going to reply anyways because I have a strong opinion.
People seem to think that relationships with non-Satanic folk can work if the other is atheistic and there are no kids involved. Unfortunately, some get disappointed with age because kids get involved or their partner discovers God. Something's inevitable.
I learned quite a while ago that "happily ever after" was only with another Satanist. Same goes with having a family. Opinions may differ.
SDS
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#369936 - 01/26/09 05:56 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: SDM]
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I really agree with you, SDS.
Because, it is not only about religious discussions (mentioned by Rev. Bill_M), but also about different approaches toward one thing, which could occur, when two don't share similar opinions, and similar seeing of life...that makes life more complicated and less comfortable (and with whom I want to feel more comfortable, than one who I wish to share my life with).
The fact, that two share the same religion, doesn't mean a success for relationship, but 'minus one obstacle', for sure.
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#370007 - 01/27/09 12:06 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: SDM]
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CoS Reverend
Registered: 07/28/01
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Loc: New England, USA
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People seem to think that relationships with non-Satanic folk can work if the other is atheistic and there are no kids involved. I've seen that a lot myself: "Well if you can't be with a Satanist then being with an atheist must be the next best thing." I don't think that's always the case. The militant atheist types can be just as annoying and proselytizing as the Christians, especially when it comes to any aspects of ritual, symbolism, or aesthetics. I'd sooner date a lady who had her own private Neo-Pagan altar than a lady who'd take every opportunity to point and giggle at my own altar.
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#370010 - 01/27/09 01:52 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: SDM]
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CoS Warlock
Registered: 03/10/05
Posts: 6968
Loc: Eremitica
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SDS: I realize that my latest post, attached to your latest post may be taken as dismissive. I have enjoyed our past interactions, and would not want that spoiled by a misunderstanding. Therefore, I am going to do something I have not done before. I am going to explain just why my relationship with someone who is not a Satanist has proven so successful. Take heed, there are certain to be those who may find their opinion of me lowered in the face of such raw honesty.
My relationship with a woman who is not a Satanist is now in the 20th year because we both share one thing; our complete and utter devotion to me. For reasons best not dwelled upon because of the length of the story, I will simply say that my wife was trained, from childhood that her job is to serve others. I grew up with the opinion that, when I boiled it down, I was the only one who really mattered. I am self-centered, like to be left alone and have enjoyed many years with a benevolent form of megalomania.
Of course, we have helped each other grow. I have taught my wife that she has value in and of herself, and I have offered her acceptance and love. She has taught me to widen my personal sphere to include her, and later a child. Believe me when I say that was no small matter.
After reading The Satanic Bible, I handed it to my wife and told her she needed to read it in order to understand me better. After reading, she said the exact words I wanted to hear. She told me she understood it, she agreed with most of it, but it was not for her. She has no interest in religion, including Satanism. I was overjoyed because I still have aspects of my life that are mine, and mine alone. This is mine, not hers. That is how I see my possessions.
Some people want to be absorbed by the object of their love. Some people want every aspect of their lives to be collaboration. I can only tolerate eating my cake and having it too.
That is why, for me, because of the way my mind works, not being with a Satanist is the only way to fly.
But I do see where the other side of the issue is coming from. Different strokes, is the name of the game.
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#370013 - 01/27/09 02:24 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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CoS Witch
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I've read your posts on this topic and discussions regarding your wife, over the years, and have always been quite touched by the obvious affection and love you have for her. Just wanted to tell you that. On the topic of non-Satanic spouses, I've hardly dated around (but I'm still young y'all rah rah rah  ) but I can say that the main issues I had with non-Satanists is that I confuse them. It is essential that someone understand who I am. While I understand that I am responsible for my own maturity when it comes to romance, most of my experiences with men had been disappointing or hurtful or frustrating because they had difficulty reconciling the different aspects of my personality. You know, smart and funny, inexperienced but definitely not a prude; muggles don't get how these facets can co-exist and even compliment each other. Most of my "relationships" did not go very far. Satanists are simply better at understanding the fundamentals initially. That is no guarantee of compatibility. But it has made things easier. Although some habits die hard. I realize that at some point along the way I became a little jaded when it comes to men and their intentions. Every woman has a questionnaire she would just LOVE to ask every man she goes on a date with - she doesn't do it if she's smart. But don't try to convince me that it isn't there. You get kind of suspicious after the umpteenth lie. I'm sure men have the same experience. That paranoia is still present whether I'm dating Satanists or not. But, fortunately, they're often a mature lot. That has made a world of difference.
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#370021 - 01/27/09 04:11 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Roho, You're sweet. (And I'm sure your wife knows that.) Hey, remember that twenty years ago, I was six.  I'm guessing that's where a lot of our differences in opinion come from. Regardless, I would never hold anything so personal as who someone chose as a partner against him or her. Experiences make us who we are and mine have just led me to be with a Satanist. It's all good. Nothing spoiled. SDS
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#370026 - 01/27/09 05:01 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: SDM]
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CoS Warlock
Registered: 03/10/05
Posts: 6968
Loc: Eremitica
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Regardless, I would never hold anything so personal as who someone chose as a partner against him or her. I didn't mean that. I meant that I thought my original post seemed a bit terse. Of course we have differences of opinion. I would worry if we didn't. Here is what I take away from this thread... I an SO FREAKIN' GLAD I am not in the dating scene!!!!!
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#370056 - 01/27/09 08:28 PM
Re: Non-Satanic Spouses
[Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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CoS Member
Registered: 10/16/08
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Here is what I take away from this thread...
I an SO FREAKIN' GLAD I am not in the dating scene!!!!!
Gee thanks man. Would you like your dagger back?  FC
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