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#285900 - 11/26/07 02:36 AM The Philosophy of Satanism
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For some background information I consider myself an agnostic with strong values. I also know that Satanism isn't what it is in movies.

I have a few questions regarding Satanism, seeing as I can't see how it is best for the world, or even the individual. By that I mean I can't see how Satanism is the best way to achieve personal enjoyment in this life, which is what I understand the philosophy/religion stands for; individual worship and success.

It is easier to destroy than it is to create; I hope we can all agree on that.
So when anyone believes in Satanism, isn't there a fantastic chance that they will view themselves as stronger in some certain field. Being stronger and better seems to give the right to stand on top of others:
(This is presented as a goal)
"There would be a concommitant reduction in the world’s population as the weak are allowed to experience the consequences of social Darwinism."
To me this represents a huge clash of interests. I have been reading allot of the http://www.churchofsatan.com site and the issue of "other groups" constantly comes up. "Other groups" don’t necessarily believe in more common Satanism. Just like in any religion, how can you expect to spread Satanism, without creating groups that strongly differ in opinion, and ultimately destroying more than you are creating?
How do we define weakness in this context? Will people who are weak in some fields and strong in others (if they have a nuclear bomb), will these people succumb to their weakness without a fight? There is a possibility that much strong life and beauty would be lost in a scenario like this.

So really what I worry about, is that Satanism may function as a small movement for the individuals, but if it were worldwide there would be at least, very challenging problems.

If there is something I am missing that patches this hole I'm seeing, please tell me!

-Thanks
(Am I aloud to reply on this thread, since I started it?)


Edited by Zulban (11/26/07 02:39 AM)
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#285904 - 11/26/07 03:10 AM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Zulban]
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#285922 - 11/26/07 08:06 AM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Zulban]
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What you are missing is that Satanism is NOT intended for the masses. We have no desire or intention for everyone to be Satanists. Real Satanists are few and far between. Satanism is not, and was never intended to be a mass movement. It is for the few, NOT the many.
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#286011 - 11/26/07 04:22 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Zulban]
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Edited by LKRice (11/26/07 07:03 PM)
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#286019 - 11/26/07 04:59 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Saúl]
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Please read and acknowledge THIS.
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#286039 - 11/26/07 05:57 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Svengali]
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 Originally Posted By: Svengali
What you are missing is that Satanism is NOT intended for the masses. We have no desire or intention for everyone to be Satanists. Real Satanists are few and far between. Satanism is not, and was never intended to be a mass movement. It is for the few, NOT the many.


Is there a reason why everyone can't be a Satanist?
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#286043 - 11/26/07 06:22 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Zulban]
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 Originally Posted By: Zulban
Is there a reason why everyone can't be a Satanist?


Most don't want to be.

Most couldn't if they wanted to.

They either don't agree with the philosophy, entirely or in part, or just temperamentally are not with the program.
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"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
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#286053 - 11/26/07 06:54 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Svengali]
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Ok, but if everyone in the world were a satanist, would the world still function?
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#286059 - 11/26/07 07:00 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Zulban]
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 Originally Posted By: Zulban
Ok, but if everyone in the world were a satanist, would the world still function?


This is an idle and meaningless question, but YES, the world would still function. Satanism is a philosophy of RATIONAL SELF-INTEREST and it is in most people's RATIONAL SELF-INTEREST to collaborate on the survival necessities of life regardless of less important differences.
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"I may have my faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." -- Jimmy Hoffa
"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
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#286073 - 11/26/07 08:00 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Svengali]
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So if the whole world being Satanists would function, how would we decide who is superior? It's clear that not everyone can be superior, an accompanying inferior is required. With this sort of mentally, I can't see how the world wouldn't rift and damage itself on disagreement of who is superior. This feels like the classic problem of any religion, where the self interest of the religion (or in this case, individuals) actually causes strife that damages the individuals looking out for themselves in the first place.
This was not a pointless question. Now we see we disagree on not Satanism, but this more specific question. I say the world would not function, people, including self worshipping Satanists, would be negatively affected by the fact that the weak can deal real damage to the strong. Just checkout my signature below.
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#286079 - 11/26/07 08:33 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Zulban]
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Look around you - is everyone EQUAL?

Do some people do some things better than others?

Why would a world populated exclusively by Satanists be any different?

Some people are good at some things, some at others.

I suggest you worry less about religion until you have spent more time with a basic logic textbook.
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"If I have to choose between defending the wolf or the dog, I choose the wolf, especially when he is bleeding." -- Jaques Verges
"I may have my faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." -- Jimmy Hoffa
"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
“A membership ticket in this party does not confer genius on the holder.” -- Benito Mussolini
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#286085 - 11/26/07 08:46 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Svengali]
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Svengali:
"Look around you - is everyone EQUAL?" No (I agree)
"Do some people do some things better than others?" Yes (I agree)
"Why would a world populated exclusively by Satanists be any different?" (This is YOU, asking a question. You failed to understand why I think this, because you failed to address why I think this in any way)
"Some people are good at some things, some at others." Yes (I agree)

"I suggest you worry less about religion until you have spent more time with a basic logic textbook."

I have agreed with everything you just said. I never disagreed with any of this in my posts. You need to read a basic textbook on reading comprehension.

Lets not start the petty remarks. Please point out how my 'logic' is flawed, dont simply state it is flawed and then dust your hands off.
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#286087 - 11/26/07 08:51 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Zulban]
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Why do you think this? Because a dumb person can kill a smart person? Maybe a smart person would not give them the chance.

Make your argument more explicit.

You don't see how the world would not rift over who is superior? Read what I said about rational self interest.
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"If I have to choose between defending the wolf or the dog, I choose the wolf, especially when he is bleeding." -- Jaques Verges
"I may have my faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." -- Jimmy Hoffa
"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
“A membership ticket in this party does not confer genius on the holder.” -- Benito Mussolini
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#286089 - 11/26/07 08:55 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Svengali]
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Rational Self Interest: What is more important, survival or feeling superior?

Hypothetically just say I may be generally superior to the person who repairs my car. I'm generally smarter, better read, and probably have a wider range of general skills than he does, but I want my car fixed, so in that context I am content to acknowledge his superiority.

The same thing may go for a dentist, or a plumber, or a doctor.
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"If I have to choose between defending the wolf or the dog, I choose the wolf, especially when he is bleeding." -- Jaques Verges
"I may have my faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." -- Jimmy Hoffa
"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
“A membership ticket in this party does not confer genius on the holder.” -- Benito Mussolini
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#286090 - 11/26/07 08:57 PM Re: The Philosophy of Satanism [Re: Svengali]
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Here you are assuming two things:
That everyone in the world is rational (tell me if you think everyone is rational)
That everyone in the world, who is inferior, will accept the fact that they are inferior without a fight. They will also accept your definition of what makes someone superior. (tell me if you think the inferior will accept their position)

Dumb, weak people can cause damage to strong, smart people. (tell me if you think this is wrong)
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