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#286000 - 11/26/07 02:32 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Evil_Eve]
mighty_honour_kr Offline


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There is a Test.

I'm assuming you mean some kind of questionnaire to be taken, entry then being refused should you fail.

Chances are that would be about as effective as say, a fence running along the U.S-Mexico border, reinforced by a handful of senior citizens with walkie talkies.

Trouble makers will always manage to get in. The moderators are very good at shutting them down and sending them packing, that's all we need.
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#286002 - 11/26/07 02:39 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: mighty_honour_kr]
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These are good points, I suppose people could always google the right answers. I'll try not to be so hasty next time in suggesting what is obviously already being done. Thanks.

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#286010 - 11/26/07 04:18 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Adveser]
LKRice Offline

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 Originally Posted By: Adveser
Why is there not some kind of easy questionaire involved with joining this message board?


The topic of instituting a qustionaire to use the board has been raised in the past.

The main problem with questionaires is, who has the time to read and approve all the ones that would be submitted?

The problem(s) with an easy questionaire should be obvious.

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I've always gotten the feeling non-Satanists are not exactly welcome, so that would filter some of the knats out of the pool.


The "gnats" generally do a good enough job of filtering themselves.

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I'm not telling Magister Ventrue how to run his business, that's just my opinion on how to stop "people who want to talk to Satanists" from getting in here and wasting all of our time with "inquires" regarding Satanism.


In case you hadn't noticed, there are already two ways to not waste your time with these "gnats":

1. If you know a person is a "gnat", simply don't click on any posts/replies they make.

2. Click on the "Ignore User" link in their profile.
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#286016 - 11/26/07 04:31 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Adveser]
Svengali Offline
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NEWSBREAK:

MOST people calling themselves "Satanists" even by the real definition of the term, including MOST people reading or participating in this forum, are NOT Satanists even though they may claim to be, or imagine that they are.

REAL Satanists are VERY FEW and FAR BETWEEN.

The wash-out rate of people trying to be is amazing - probably something like 99%

As Magister Paradise has said, "To try is to lie."

Just observe how hard and how many try.
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#286017 - 11/26/07 04:37 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Moon Shadow]
Svengali Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Moon Shadow
Hi,
I'm reading 'The Secret Life of A Satanist' about LaVey. His personal experiences are what he's based the Satanist Religion upon. Because other Satanists have different life experiences can The Church of Satan be truly embraced, with ALL it's tennants, by other Satanists?

'Satanists are born not made,' says it all for Lavey, ain't that the truth!

Moon Shadow


That is not a bad question regardless of who asked it.

Life experience is a huge factor in anyone recognizing him/herself as a Satanist.

How you perceive and deal with others, how you evaluate people and circumstances, etc.

Different Satanists resonate with different aspects of Satanism more or less strongly according to their personal constitution and background.

Some find more resonance in the philosophy or misanthropy than the magic, some find other aspects more personally meaningful than others.

The common ground is that most (as in all) real Satanists find something of personal significance in the whole program and are not dramatically in conflict with even the lesser resonant aspects of it.
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"I may have my faults, but being wrong ain't one of them." -- Jimmy Hoffa
"As for wars, well, there's only been 268 years out of the last 3421 in which there were no wars. So war, too, is in the normal course of events." -- Will Durant.
"Satanism is the worship of life, not a hypocritical, whitewashed vision of life, but life as it really is." -- Anton Szandor LaVey
“A membership ticket in this party does not confer genius on the holder.” -- Benito Mussolini
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#286018 - 11/26/07 04:48 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Moon Shadow]
spook show Offline
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His personal experiences are what he's based the Satanist Religion upon.


And some of those experiences were dealing with people who were hypocrites, fools and idiots who had blind belief in religion. Do you really have to grow up working in the circus or be a crime scene photographer in order to understand people like that? I think not.
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#286027 - 11/26/07 05:31 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Svengali]
Max Faust Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Svengali
most (as in all)


Very Zen. ;\)

I would think that if you find that the case is, that your actual life's actual experiences actually strengthens and confirms your attraction to the "lifestyle" of the Satanist (meaning as in applied philosophy and the experiences this brings about), it is probably reasonable to assume that you are the real thing.

Recently I saw something very weird on youtube. Some dude was on some talk show being presented as a "recovering Satanist". Hello? Grow the fuck up. Who ever heard of such a thing? If you ARE a Satanist, "recovering" seems almost as smart as blowing your own brains out with a shotgun. Recover from what? Being who you are?

This is not a question of CHOICE - it's more like "waking up".

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#286072 - 11/26/07 07:57 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Svengali]
RottenBonnie Offline


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Loc: The West Coast, USA
 Originally Posted By: Svengali

The common ground is that most (as in all) real Satanists find something of personal significance in the whole program and are not dramatically in conflict with even the lesser resonant aspects of it.


Thank you for saying this. It puts things into a better perspective for me because I don't resonate with the misanthropy as much, but I love the self-empowerment of the individual.
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#286118 - 11/26/07 11:49 PM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: RottenBonnie]
Phineas Offline
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That stratification thing again. ;\)
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#286186 - 11/27/07 10:29 AM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Svengali]
Fala Offline
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Some of them are so desperate to find a group to which they can belong. So, they learn to mimic very well. It still shows.

I want to tell all of them, 'It's okay to NOT belong here. There are few like us. Now...run along.'

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#286371 - 11/28/07 01:24 AM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Phineas]
RottenBonnie Offline


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 Originally Posted By: Phineas
That stratification thing again. ;\)


Are you seeing a pattern in me, Sir Phineas? I do struggle with stratification. I feel a sense of connectedness to the world and the people in it, and yet, at the same time I think many, many people are idiots. I guess I am still figuring out where I stand on these issues. I'm getting my Satanic "sea legs."
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#286372 - 11/28/07 01:34 AM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: RottenBonnie]
Danny Mc. Offline
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I guess I am still figuring out where I stand on these issues. I'm getting my Satanic "sea legs."


Then try this...

Preferred by Satanists everywhere!
;\)
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#286375 - 11/28/07 02:06 AM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: RottenBonnie]
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Stratous Fear

 Originally Posted By: RottenBonnie
I do struggle with stratification.

No need to struggle, it happens all by itself.

Might as well have fun with it.
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#286400 - 11/28/07 06:08 AM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: Majic]
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Loc: Basque Country
Social stratification is no mysanthropist, it doesn´t involve dislike or hate for humanity, it involves recognising you have a place on society. Some are born to serve and some are born to fight, it´s just recognizing your own nature and acting accordingly. Sheeps can´t be lions, they may try but they will be sheeps forever. Traditional societies understood it very well, you have an awesome example and explanation on the Bhagavad Gita where Krishna explains Arjuna why he must fight in a battle and why he´s a warrior not a peasant.
Our egalitarian society denies stratification and glorifies mediocrity because it needs all of us to be passive consuming sheeps.
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#286407 - 11/28/07 07:18 AM Re: LaVey's life experience and Satanism [Re: RottenBonnie]
Phineas Offline
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Stratification is seen in all of us. Like some of the others have said, it is a natural process, It's a matter of being honest with yourself, and true to your nature.

Water will seek its level without struggling. ;\)
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