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#289063 - 12/08/07 01:15 PM The Enochian Keys
Moon Shadow Offline


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As everyone here is familiar, LaVey extensively researched magic and selected Dee's Enochian Keys in ceremony. (Dr. Dee was a scrier, astrologier, in Queen Elizabeth 1's court and very important.)
Because, energy used in magic is neutral, as LaVey stated, and anyone knows, it can be either used destructively or beneficially. LaVey selected the Enochian Keys in the Satanic Mass.
From just having spoken them aloud, as I have, they do as invocations, give the most powerful resonance (vibes)that I've ever come across!
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#289456 - 12/10/07 03:16 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: Moon Shadow]
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is there essays or books available that have the phonetic pronunciation of the Enochian Keys? I'm fascinated by them but fear i'll butcher the hell out of them if i try simply reading aloud.

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#289464 - 12/10/07 04:02 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: BloodRain]
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Have you read the Satanic bible?
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#289466 - 12/10/07 04:07 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: shadowraven213]
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Before trying Ritual Magic I suggest you to try some lesser magic, like the infamous Google Spell:

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/EnochianGuide.html
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#289469 - 12/10/07 04:18 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: Taubmann]
shadowraven213 Offline


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Did you intend to reply to me?
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#289472 - 12/10/07 04:25 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: shadowraven213]
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No, to Bloodrain.
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#289484 - 12/10/07 05:31 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: shadowraven213]
BloodRain Offline


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Shadowraven213, have you read ANY of the few posts i've made?

Did the thought occur to you that The Satanic Bible i read did not include a phonetic pronunciation key?


Location of a phonetic pronunciation of the Enochian Keys... simple question.

simple non-smartass Answer please, and my apologies for not being fluent in the dead language they where written in.

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#289486 - 12/10/07 05:35 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: Taubmann]
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Thank you Taubmann, that's all i needed. despite my hatred for google spells i'll try them from now on

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#289489 - 12/10/07 05:53 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: BloodRain]
shadowraven213 Offline


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It was a question, I am well aware The Satanic Bible holds no phonetic pronunciation key but that wasn't the point to my question.

You say you would "butcher the hell out of them" if you read them aloud, if you remember The Satanic Bible states that its the rhythm and not the pronunciation that is important.

Thats why I asked if you had read it, or is that too smart-ass for you?
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#289493 - 12/10/07 06:05 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: shadowraven213]
BloodRain Offline


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How can one derive rhythm having never heard the words spoken nor have properly read them? Proper iambic pentameter is next to impossible to derive without correct phonetics.

Either you're being a Smartass or Ignorant... and either way i don't like it.
"Have you read The Satanic Bible?" seems to be the #1 one-liner used here so forgive me for acting in such a defensive manner when you insult my intelligence.

Regardless, i have my answer so please excuse me while i learn more.

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#289608 - 12/10/07 05:37 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: BloodRain]
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How can one derive rhythm having never heard the words spoken nor have properly read them?


Get this. You can hear Magus LaVey reading one of the Keys and get an idea.

Get this, too. There's at least one scene where a Key is being chanted in the background.
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#289628 - 12/10/07 07:03 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: LKRice]
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Satanis The Devil's mass is on Netflix as well! Thanks LK Rice.
Description: An up-close look at Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey and the satanic shenanigans filmed inside his infamous San Francisco "Black House" back in 1969, "Satanis, the Devil's Mass" (86 minutes) is a wonderfully oddball documentary inside one of America's darkest pop-culture curiosities. Along with nude women decorating the altar to a man dressed as a bishop who gets his fanny whipped before climbing in a coffin, you're treated to interviews with LaVey (wearing silly little devil horns) and his flock along with various startled neighbors! Remember, "If you're gonna b ea sinner, be the best sinner on the block!"
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#289767 - 12/11/07 04:27 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: BloodRain]
shadowraven213 Offline


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 Originally Posted By: BloodRain
How can one derive rhythm having never heard the words spoken nor have properly read them?


As it outlines in the book you claim to have read there is no proper way to read them or pronounce them.

 Originally Posted By: BloodRain
Either you're being a Smartass or Ignorant... and either way i don't like it.


I can assure you its the former, don't like it? then just ignore me like I will be doing with you until you calm down.

 Originally Posted By: BloodRain
"Have you read The Satanic Bible?" seems to be the #1 one-liner used here so forgive me for acting in such a defensive manner when you insult my intelligence.


Try to show some of that intelligence and perhaps I wont be able to insult you.


 Originally Posted By: BloodRain
Regardless, i have my answer so please excuse me while i learn more.


It will be my pleasure to excuse you, it seems you have a lot to learn.
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#289772 - 12/11/07 04:49 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: BloodRain]
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 Originally Posted By: BloodRain
is there essays or books available that have the phonetic pronunciation of the Enochian Keys? I'm fascinated by them but fear i'll butcher the hell out of them if i try simply reading aloud.

The language itself has, as the book states, "barbaric tonal qualities". So you shouldn't fear too much of a "butchering" since it's not exactly supposed to be an eloquent language in the first place. I find it most effective when I drop my voice a few steps lower than my normal speaking voice, and read it in a guttural way with the consonants generally sounding Germanic and the vowels sounding French or Italian (a final "e" is pronounced "ay", final "i" is pronounched "ee", etc.). I tend to place accents near the end of multi-syllable words. You might also want to re-read the introduction to the Book of Leviathan.
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#289893 - 12/11/07 01:14 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: shadowraven213]
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I believe that BloodRain had a very valid question. Even though I have read the Enochian Keys several times, even outloud, I sometimes think I am hacking them terribly. But, then again I am pleasing myself not anyone else.

Words according to LeviathanXIII CoS Priest:
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Unless you're Hierarchy or moderation it's not your business to ask if someone has read the Satanic Bible (that includes clever attempts to dodge this by asking what they thought of it), question their status as a Satanist, or otherwise run an inquisition on them or bait them. If you do this I will delete your post.



"Try to show some of that intelligence and perhaps I wont be able to insult you.
It will be my pleasure to excuse you, it seems you have a lot to learn".

Not insulting you or your intelligence just pointing out that you may also have a lot yet to learn, I know I do too.
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#289905 - 12/11/07 01:50 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: Frksgoddess]
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My question was very valid too and was not intended to bait him in the slightest, I am not responsible for bloodrain's reaction to a simple question.

It was also very relevant to the topic, I pronounce the keys very differently from anyone else but retain the rhythm thats important as detailed in The Satanic Bible as I am sure you are aware.

Thank you for your reply.
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#290111 - 12/12/07 09:54 AM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: Frksgoddess]
Moon Shadow Offline


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Hi,
I was directed to
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/EnochianGuide.html
for pronunciation of the Enochian Keys.

Anton LaVey, says, 'Of all the questions asked pertaining to the contents of The Satanic Bible, the most frequent is concerning the pronunciation of the Enochian Keys. I wish to stress the fact, before even dealing with the recommended pronunciation, that the importance should be placed upon the rhythmic and sequential delivery of the words, rather than a scholarly attempt to pronounce them properly.'

Moon Shadow
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#290401 - 12/13/07 02:40 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: Frksgoddess]
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Thanks everyone for your help and patience! It'll be a while before i even need to use the Enochian Keys but as i was finishing up TSB a week or so ago it was the only section that i had trouble with so naturally i saw an opportunity to solve that problem when i came across this particular forum. I finished The Satanic Witch yesterday and i'll continue searching online for tidbits of info until i decide what book to read next, in the mean time your patience is appreciated!

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#292376 - 12/21/07 06:23 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: Moon Shadow]
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The use of the Enochian keys in Satanic rituals is a mighty symbolism too, and this is the best "affront" to all this white-light mystics forever. This is something important to know, as this represent the bedrock too :

Take the Kabala for example or any roots from practices based on beliefs*, their principle has always been this way :

- working "into the light" in order to gain a so called knowledge, and as God rules on earth and hell, the initiate will also be able to command the demons by using the protection of light > here, you can notice their belief in entities, and also that they are not aware about the balance of nature ( the balance is everything ) which is the key of success or not. To them it is to ask anything, to have it, and to pay a price for the "service" .

So they protect themselves, they call the "72 djins" or whatever, they pronounce the keys but 'will be safe'...

The Satanic ritual is the hammer crushing this hypocrisy and fantasies. You invoke a force, you are in tune with it, you pronounce the words without drawing a ridiculous white circle around you, as you don't need to protect yourself from a side of the nature.


*(belief):the word used above is certainly not to attract the theorists of fortune, daring to speak about the Satanic rituals as a "punching bag" in order to feel better and that's it, and by this, daring to speak about magic used in the Satanic Bible as beliefs.
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#292435 - 12/21/07 11:39 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: BloodRain]
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 Originally Posted By: BloodRain
is there essays or books available that have the phonetic pronunciation of the Enochian Keys? I'm fascinated by them but fear i'll butcher the hell out of them if i try simply reading aloud.


The description is in German. But the title is English, so I guess you can find it in the States, too.

Scroll down to "Hoerprobe".
Sure you'll recognize the 18th Key.

http://second-sight-books.com/product_info.php?cPath=60&products_id=306

Ilasa micalazoda olapireta ialpereji beliore: das odo...

Greetz


Edited by SaShArT (12/21/07 11:42 PM)

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#309517 - 02/25/08 04:10 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: SaShArT]
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[Dumb video promoting devil worship removed by moderator.]


Edited by Reverend_Harris (02/25/08 05:05 PM)

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#309523 - 02/25/08 04:39 PM Re: The Enochian Keys [Re: Darkf00l]
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Post modern Satanist? Uh yeah, something like that.

Another perfect example of why people shouldn't film themselves when they're under the influence.
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