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#29135 - 02/29/04 08:49 PM To be a natural magician.
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I thought of this tonight while I was flaming some steaks to medium rare perfection.

My life is good. Granted I always mutter some nonsense about winning lotto someday, but by a large margin I am happy.

I know why.

I get what I want. I have always won what I truly desire. Sometimes I have to quit being so fierce in my desire, because the old saying of "Be carefull what you wish for, because you just may get it."...becomes a problematic reality for me.
example: I have to carefully release my desire for various hotties that cross my path, because most of the time they gravitate towards me in a manner that would disrupt my marriage. I am pleased to have the ability to sway another in such a matter, but again I have to stress that good for now might lead to bothersome consequence later.

Mostly my achievements are purely fantastic.
For instance, the house I am living in and soon will be owning, should be out of my range. Yet a few years ago when I was house sitting in this place while the owners were traveling, I performed a ritual (in the room that is now my altar)
that would gain for me the property. Specifically I just wished for a house like it...then BAM! shortly after the owners returned, they offered me the house at a serious discount price that put the unattainable within my grasp.

Of course I still have to pay the asking price, and all the other joys that come with home ownership, but wow...I know that if I did not put forth such energy, I would be looking at some home in a skank neighborhood to buy, as that would be what I could afford.

Things comin' my way, swaying others, being powerfull in the things that I do...

It is GOOD! Is anyone else so cursed?

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#29136 - 02/29/04 08:59 PM Re: To be a natural magician. [Re: HLGwyn]
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Is anyone else so cursed?

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#29137 - 03/01/04 02:12 AM Go for your desire, or don't desire it at all! [Re: HLGwyn]
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Sometimes I have to quit being so fierce in my desire, because the old saying of "Be carefull what you wish for, because you just may get it."...becomes a problematic reality for me.


That's about the most stupid saying I've ever heard!

If you truely desire something, I say go for it for 200%!

If you have to "be careful" or "hold back" in one way or another, it's obviously not a real desire.

If you are somehow less fierce in obtaining your desire, as you called it, then what's the point in desire it to begin with?

Get what you want, and don't complain about it!

Responsibility to the responsible!


Just my opinion.

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#29138 - 03/01/04 03:51 AM Re: To be a natural magician. [Re: HLGwyn]
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Sounds like you've always had a keen sense of who's in charge.

I have to wonder if it is all as easy as you seem to suggest. I've nothing against automatic success and happiness, but I find the idea of sitting back and watching happiness increase all by itself to be a little hokey. Is it possible that there's more to this story to be grateful for, like the fact that you've used your brain throughout your life, or that you have a valuable charisma?

Perhaps you really did get a good seat in the theatre of life and I'm just envious. Well, then. Right on!

Quote:

Is anyone else so cursed?




(laugh) - as much as I can be, yep.
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#29139 - 03/01/04 02:23 PM Re: To be a natural magician. [Re: HLGwyn]
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I spat forth one curse at a foe who decidely made the mistake of insulting me, and his car wound up not being able to work, his house egged, and he broke a few ribs in the weight room because he couldn't lift up his normal max. I haven't seen him since. I've thrown a few other curses, coupled with a love ritual to get the girl that I've always wanted.

I also have a pretty well played out ritual for my now terrific grades.

I guess you could say that I've managed to obtain that same curse.
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#29140 - 03/02/04 09:34 PM Re: Go for your desire, or don't desire it at all!
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Thank you for your reply.

I agree that some people should go after their desires 100%.
But I do not see the point of giving in to reckless abandon to fulfill some indulgences.

The things one wants can be gotten without causing some major catastrophe, such as my severe ego boost from having the attentions of those hotties. Would it be nice to have sex with them? YES. Would it be good for me to lose my marriage, half of my ownings(present and future), and all the little things that go into a divorce, by fulfilling some indulgence that can be expelled easilly enough through simple masturbation (WHICH BY THE WAY, assures me that I won't cause no pregs, get no dizzzzeeeze, have some psyco-bimbo fall for me and stalk me.and other multiple problems that can rise from such interactions)With power comes responsibility.

Just by having my own stable of wanting women provides most of the magic. Sex with them could be good or horrible, I might never know, but I do have their attention, and that gives the larger boost over some easily forgotten orgasm.

I was not complaining in the least, but reveling in my absolute gain. Acknowledge it or lose it someone once said.

To be sure, I would rather of read a post of yours that stated what you get when you want. That was the purpose of my asking at the end..."are others so cursed?"

One aspect of Satanism is gain, through application.
One way I pat myself on the back for accomplishing my gains, is to tell of my grand conquests. The way for me to know the levels of those with whom I deal with, is through the communication of their skill at life. If I don't find many within my stratum, fine, who I find will have to make do for company. Lower layers are for holding me up, and giving me purchace to higher ground.

Thank you again for your post, and I hope to hear from you again somewhere down the line.

Hail Satan
Herb.

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#29141 - 03/03/04 04:00 AM Re: Desires. [Re: HLGwyn]
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Thank you for your reply, so that I can clarify my post.

I still stand by my first reply.

If one has a real desire, I say go for it for 200%, no matter what!

Ok, let's take the example of the "hotties" that you refer to all the time.

Let's say you see a hottie walking down the street, and man, would you LOVE to fuck her that night.

Now, that would mean one Hell of a night with that girl, maybe two, maybe even more, who knows. On the other hand, that COULD mean your marriage will get seriously damaged, maybe even ended. Beside that, you could get a disease because you don't know the girl, she could be some weirdo maniac who won't let you go after that night, or it could very well be a waste of your time, because she wasn't NEAR that good as your wife


Two possibilities:

1) You decide the pro's of getting that girl tonight are more worth than the con's, and you are willing to risk your marriage, health, etc. for it.

2) You decide one hot night with that girl isn't worth it, and you definitely don't want to take the risk of damaging your marriage and putting your health at risk.


Case one: Fucking that girl tonight IS a real desire. It is worth more than losing all the things you put at risk by going after her. If this is the case, then I say go after her for 200%, for she is obviously more worth than what you have thusfar (proved by the fact that you just decided she is worth the risk of losing your wife, your health, etc.)

Case 2: She is obviously not worth losing what you have at THIS point, thus making it not a REAL desire. I say, don't go for it, for doing so would be counterproductive.


A desire is an end result you want to go after no matter what. If there is even ONE risk or fear that is holding you back from obtaining it, the end result is automatically not a real desire anymore.

Again, I stick to my point: If you have a REAL desire, go for it for 200%, or don't desire it at all.

Responsibility to the Responsible


I hope this clarifies things.


Thank you for your reply.

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#29142 - 03/03/04 02:42 PM Re: Desires.
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heh this reminds me of some observations I made a while back. More often than not, the true desires of someone are read between the lines of the stated desires.

If a guy says "Wow she's a hottie, I could do her right now, I think i'm gonna try to get her tonight", it's completely possible that.
1) they're trying to show their buddies that they're a red-blooded example of man-ness and their malehood should not be doubted.
2) They're implying they'd actually have a chance in the darkest hell of convincing some woman to sleep with them, be she married, in a relationship, lesbian, or just someone of good taste.
3) They're drawing attention away that they too are lonely and want some real companionship (a sign of weakness), and that they only need think of the short pleasures of sex.

From what I can tell from my slightly removed viewpoint, in many cases when guys make statements like that, the real desire is to assert their position in the pack, and to boost their ego.

If a guy truely wanted to 'bag the hottie tonight', he'd probably not mention her to his buddies and would slip away quietly to meet her. No need for the distraction and competition.
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#29143 - 03/03/04 04:57 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Roxxxadelic]
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There is some truth to what you have said. However, there are many men (and women for that matter!) I have known, who despite how you or I may feel about their brute and shallow ways and intentions with the opposite sex, get the sex they say they get or are going to (just making that point).

When I was younger, I used to think all of the talk I heard from people regarding their sex lives was all talk. Now that I am older, I now know there's much much more going on than what's being talked about.
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#29144 - 03/03/04 05:41 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Caesar]
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When I was younger, I used to think all of the talk I heard from people regarding their sex lives was all talk. Now that I am older, I now know there's much much more going on than what's being talked about

This may very well be true, however, it has been my experience that those who like to talk and boast about it are the ones who are not getting enough of it. The ones who do not "kiss and tell" are usually the ones who are getting the satisfaction they desire. Just an observation, from my experience. No insult intended.

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#29145 - 03/03/04 05:52 PM Re: Desires.
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Yah, i'm far more open to guys that want to talk to me instead of talking about me.
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#29146 - 03/03/04 06:02 PM Re: Desires.
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Actualy you are correct,at least in my experiences. When I was in high school I was thought to be a virgin and unmanly by the guys, why? Because I never spoke of my trysts with the ladies except to say" we just watched the movie and talked.". The girls loved this and I knew more than my share simply because I kept my mouth shut.
Silence is golden they say.
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#29147 - 03/03/04 06:31 PM Re: Desires.
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I was not saying that was not true, only that there are just as many people out there who actually are doing all the things they claim sexually (and are actually holding back, so from their perspective, they aren't kissing and telling as much as you would accuse them of). From what I've observed of "them", they are more or less comparing notes with one another. But, you may be referring to teenagers when I am referring to adults.
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#29148 - 03/03/04 06:45 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Prince_Satanicus]
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Absolutely. Silence in this context serves many purposes for many people involved.
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#29149 - 03/03/04 06:50 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Roxxxadelic]
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The only thing is that you won't know you've been talked about by those talking to you (and I don't know about you, but knowing what others are saying about what they'd like to do/have done with me "intimately" can be important as well as indulging).
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#29150 - 03/03/04 06:53 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Caesar]
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I find that intelligent men may discuss such things with those they trust not to "gossip" yet say little to the male public at large.
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#29151 - 03/03/04 07:00 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Caesar]
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I was not saying that was not true, only that there are just as many people out there who actually are doing all the things they claim sexually (and are actually holding back, so from their perspective, they aren't kissing and telling as much as you would accuse them of)


I am not accusing anyone with my posting. I am sorry that you seem to be offended or view it as such, Sir. I was merely stating my opinion from my own experiences, and meant no disrespect or insult.

From what I've observed of "them", they are more or less comparing notes with one another. But, you may be referring to teenagers when I am referring to adults.

I will take this as a compliment, but I am 24 years old (and will turn 25 in May), and I was speaking of adults in regards to this (and, actually, men in their 30's and older).

Again, I did not intend to insult nor to insinuate anything here. If I have done so, my apologies.

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#29152 - 03/03/04 07:35 PM Re: Desires.
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I am by no means insulted or offended, just voicing my own experiences from my perspective as you have. Never nothing wrong with that.
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#29153 - 03/03/04 07:40 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Caesar]
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Thank you for your response, and I am pleased that no insult was taken.

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#29154 - 03/03/04 08:48 PM observations? [Re: Roxxxadelic]
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heh this reminds me of some observations I made a while back.

What follows next in your post are a alot of "could be's" and "probably's" regarding what men MIGHT think or want when they are talking about girls and what they'd like to do with them.

Where are the REAL observations you talked about?

Your post is nothing more than a little rant about possibilities we can easily figure out by ourselves or read in the cheap teenage magazines bought by girls in the age of 12-15.

Nothing wrong with that of course, but I was expecting some REAL (interesting) observations

What are they? How did you come to those conclusions? Are they reliable? Did you get a back-up for the outcome?

Or were you just spouting your own THOUGHTS on the subject?

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#29155 - 03/03/04 09:05 PM The inferno lust [Re: Roxxxadelic]
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It could be said that men have the conquest gene built into them, and the need to clarify their abilities towards said conquest is a manly pursuit.
I feel comfortable with my brutish ways in my views of women, and my pursuit of them. I am very animalistic in my behavior about sex and interactions with those whom I desire it from. I have no doubt as to my skills at attraction.
Does it work with every woman, every time? No. Some are just off of my approach, to some extent.

As for some examples listed for someone to talk of conquest, they are valid points to make concerning behaviors and the reasons behind them.
But do they cover all aspects of what was said?

I merely stated that I have to control my desires to keep my worldly balance, because if I was to throw myself at all of the opprotunity that is before me, then I stand to lose much more than what I already have.
Being self-destructive is rather un-satanic, no matter how great the experience of the destruction process.
If some admire my ways with those in my grasp...great! I would admire the same of them if they would but convey it to me.
If others see no point in relating success stories, that is fine too, it just means they have more pressing matters at hand with their own lives, and how they deal.

Concerning my attraction, my wife is very aware of my capabilities(she fell to them herself ya'know). She is also very aware of my desires, and my hungers. But yet, due to the respect she affords me, I give the same to her by taming the possibly destructive impulses that lurk underneath my character make-up.

Do I pursue my goal of her letting me have the women that want me? Yes I do, but until she relents, I will continue to uphold my respect for her by not breaking our agreements.
There is enough openess about my desires that even her girl-friends question us on how well my quest for a Haram goes.

My desires are before me, as to completely squash them would be to deny my being. I will not bring myself to such a standard for the well-being or comfort of anyone.
I have no reason to lie about what I do, ...that is the stupidest conception of ego boost I can recon, considering the company I wish to be amongst within this board. What possibly could anyone gain from deception among Satanist, for the sole purpose of ego boost?

Within the herd I can believe that form of boost is the norm. They do not have the capabilities to bring themselves up by other means, and if they did, who would believe it, or give it value.

It is good to see this post cause debate, BUT couldn't just one post be about conquest of material gains through the use of Satanic application?
Please?(big brown eyes stare out from my pouty face)
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#29156 - 03/03/04 10:53 PM Re: observations?
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hmmm, I may have more readily responded further if you'd simply asked for more details, instead of being accusative and quite negative.

I do find it amusing that you imply that 'spouting THOUGHTS' is a bad thing. I've always felt that 'THINKING' is a good and quite satanic value.

Regardless, I'll try to be reasonable though, and give some information about myself that I would not normally share. My youth and earlier life were spent on the other side of the gender fence (gladly corrected some time ago) so I had ample exposure to the antics of guys talking to one another. I suspect that gives me a rather unique perspective.

I will agree with you that my post was somewhat of a rant, and I did over-generalize, but sometimes I like to make statements like that as a way of making people review their own thoughts and motives.

I respectfully apologize if that caused anyone undue discomfort.
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#29157 - 03/03/04 11:00 PM Re: The inferno lust [Re: HLGwyn]
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Hi HLGwyn,
just to be clear I wasn't responding to your post directly, but something that was mentioned later in the thread reminded me of some discussions I'd had earlier.

I suspect the behaviors I noted do not apply to the more actualized and infernal people walking the planet, such as those people collected here.
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#29158 - 03/03/04 11:49 PM Re: observations? [Re: Roxxxadelic]
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I do find it amusing that you imply that 'spouting THOUGHTS' is a bad thing. I've always felt that 'THINKING' is a good and quite satanic value.

Hmm, now where exactly did I say spouting thoughts is a BAD thing? If I remember correctly (and I do, cause I'll copy it right here ) I said:
Nothing wrong with that of course, but I was expecting some REAL (interesting) observations

I never said thinking is unSatanic. However, if you make a post in wich you say this or that reminds you of some OBSERVATIONS you made, and then you start writing a post about [insert related topic] then it is not that weird that people who actually read your post EXPECT to read your observations, now is it? That was all there was to it, really.


Regardless, I'll try to be reasonable though, and give some information about myself that I would not normally share.

Although I didn't ask for them, if you think that's necessary, go ahead. I was merely pointing out what I saw as a "flaw" in your post. Nothing more, nothing less. Just that.


I will agree with you that my post was somewhat of a rant, and I did over-generalize, but sometimes I like to make statements like that as a way of making people review their own thoughts and motives.

So what you are saying is that I
A) was right about the post being a rant,
B) was right about the post not being real observations
C) therefor was not being rude, accusative and negative in the first place.
D) just called it as it (obviously) was



I respectfully apologize if that caused anyone undue discomfort.

Apology accepted

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#29159 - 03/04/04 12:04 AM Re: observations?
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Roxxxadelic -
I am a man, and I can vouch for you on that. Although I do not take action(At least, not all the time ) when it comes to these "conquests", I absolutely feel that way when it comes to relationships with the opposite sex.

Dymfna -
It appears to me that the only observations that you have provided for us is your biased opinion on everyone elses posts. Perhaps you would like to give your own thoughts? Rather then bashing on others?

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#29160 - 03/04/04 12:11 AM Re: observations?
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DopedApotheosis-

aahh, but then again.... I was not the one saying I made some observations, now did I? The fact if I have them or not is irrelevant at this point.

Someone makes a post, I disagree with it.
Can you tell me where in the board's guidelines is written that this is not an appropriate thing to do?

Have you read the WHOLE thread? Then I'm sure you must have read my thoughts on the ORIGINAL subject too.

Thank you

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#29161 - 03/04/04 12:21 AM Re: observations?
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Word usage or at least usage of the word "observations" seems to be a hot button for you, so I apologize for misusing it.

While correcting my on my 'delivery' of the content does help me become a better writer, and I do appreciate that, I suspect in general people are more interested in the content itself.

I'd like to hear your opinions on the content too...not just my less that perfect delivery.
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#29162 - 03/04/04 12:25 AM Re: observations?
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I have indeed read your original post, and all those thereafter. I apologize for not recognizing your opinion. Now that I have, I will respond to it.

What you speak of are not desires. These are impulses. It is wise to go for what you desire 200%, absolutely. HOWEVER; the difference between desire and impulse is that the former begets the latter. One impulses to do something, contemplates it's gains and miscomings, and thereupon it is decided upon to be a desire, or simply another impulse. Right now, it's been too long since I've had intimate relations with a female, and it is my impulse to run out the door right now and fuck the next pretty thing able to walk ( Even that ability at the moment could be looked over. ) Upon examining this, I realize this is not my desire, and I do not care to act upon it. HOWEVER, if the circumstances were convenient so that I could go out right now, find a lady friend willing to satisfy my urges, and make a mess of her, it would then become my desire and I would thereupon take action.

Now that I've hopefully cleared your mind of this ignorance, perhaps you can elaborate on your opinion of the matter.

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#29163 - 03/04/04 02:42 AM Re: Desires. [Re: Prince_Satanicus]
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Very intersting. I have noted the same in some of my escapades.

That "silence" is part of something that comes with Confidence. And if there is anything in this world that is a true aphrodisiace for women, it's a man that exudes confidence from every pore like a fine cologne.

Attration is a Reaction, not a Choice.

@Hybrid:

You said; "This may very well be true, however, it has been my experience that those who like to talk and boast about it are the ones who are not getting enough of it."

Very true. TroZyr and yourself have touched on this both. And Trozyr has a particular saying I like to perpetuate, "Empty Cans Rattle Loudest.".


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#29164 - 03/04/04 10:09 AM AAAaargh! [Re: HLGwyn]
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Great!

There has been alot of discussion on this post. I commend anyone who had the inclination to write views about some of the merits of conquest and the need to relate to them.

We have witnessed pros and cons about reasons for one to share experiences (oddly enough it was mostly about ones' pride at atrraction, glamour, sexual conquest etc. and not about other aspects of gain...must-of hit a nerve.)

But what was started as an opening post for the possible verification of Satanic application within the context of gains...has finished on notes of belief, and speculation.

Who cares what anyones motives are? Motives are not solid, nor are they the whole picture.

The proof is in the puddin'.

I could relate many instances that my use of Satanism has resulted in gains/conquests.

Compassion, Lust, Destruction, Lesser magic, Greater magic, it is all about manipulating the world to suit ones personal needs. Then it is about giving examples to find those of similar skill and view.

LaVey even went so far as to provide examples of his gains.
1. To show that it can be so.
2. To attract the Cabal.
3. To verify his ego.

Speculate all that can be...But my original question still stands...are others so cursed, as to have a ready source of tangible gain through Satanism? (I know one liners are frowned upon, but hell...just say yes or no if only to keep the thread on track.I shoulda done a poll...)

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#29165 - 03/04/04 11:35 AM Re: AAAaargh! [Re: HLGwyn]
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Aside from the little things like parking places in crowded areas, underachievers being moved out of my way making place for me to be take thier place, promotions coming out of the blue when I wanted them, people who tick me off getting their just reward....nah, never experienced it

Seriously, though...being extremely familiar with and constantly being aware of human nature and using lesser magic, with ample doses of NLP, has made it quite easy to get what I want when I want.

Also it has been my experience that the more you use and practice Greater magic, the less you actually have to use a ritual to get the results, your will becomes stronger in time, and your able to focus your desires and emotions more clearly with a greater amount of consistancy, being able to release the emotions and simlpy let them go is "in my honest opinion" paramount to success.

At the end of the greater magic rituals, when you pronounce "IT IS DONE", you should be finished with it mentally and emotionally, at that point, as Anton Lavey has stated, you should act and believe as though what you want to happen has already happened.

I know, I know...this is all basic stuff..but Magic is something I am passionate about, and I tend to ramble about my passions.

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#29166 - 03/04/04 12:00 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Felstorm]
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"Empty Cans Rattle Loudest.".

I agree to an extent, but once again, it needs to be said that there are many people in the world that walk the talk they may haphazardly talk. This applies across the board. Like some of those self-proclaimed bad asses in the world (that many dismiss as a shit talker) really are bad asses. Don't believe me? Call them all out. The proof is indeed in the puddin'!.

I have found that many people who coin such phrases as this are themselves not getting or being the things they hear others boast of, and saying this is their way of telling themselves that the other guy isn't getting them either. Just adding a different perspective to that.

Also consider, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease", as I have seen some cases like these that talk so much as a means of "advertisement", and surprisingly it works for them.

I myself am a "quiet guy", for several reasons. No, I do not throw my weight around unless to do so in a tongue-in-cheek manner, and yes, I have in the past been annoyed listening to someone with say a punk attitude talk shit. But who cares? In the end, it's comes down to Stratification. Their bluff will be called sooner or later, just as ours.
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#29167 - 03/04/04 12:10 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Caesar]
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I agree with you.

Coming from a martial arts background, I have seen literlally hundreds self- proclaimed "master' and "grandmasters" who had only been in the martial arts 10 years or less.....the same happens with almost all aspects of life, the more your around, the more pretenders pop out of the woodwork, and they are usually the loudest around.

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#29168 - 03/04/04 01:06 PM Re: To be a natural magician. [Re: HLGwyn]
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Congratulations on achieving your desires : )

It is good to see someone writing about their success; furthermore, it is good to see someone writing about their successful use of ritual.

Flame on :
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#29169 - 03/04/04 01:26 PM Re: observations?
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What you speak of are not desires.

I think I explained quite early in my previous reply.

A desire is an end result you want to obtain/achieve no matter WHAT. If after weighing all the pro's and cons from going after it, you STILL want to achieve that goal, then it is a desire.

If for one reason or another there is something that holds you back (like a risk you are not willing to take or a side effect that is not worth it) then the end result is not a REAL desire (anymore) It may be an impulse or whatever you want to call it, but no desire, for you are not willing to go all the way for it.


My very first reply in this thread was to Gwyn, telling him I do not agree with what he said about "holding back in getting what you desire, cause you might get it"

If you REALLY desire something, then why should you be afraid to actually get it?

So I still stick my my point;

If you are not willing to go all the way for something, I say it is not a real desire

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#29170 - 03/04/04 01:39 PM Re: Desires. [Re: Caesar]
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I often times feel that the "empty can" syndrome is a stage of progression. I know that I used to be an empty can about drumming in highschool, but that was because I was a big fish in a little pond. Once I was torn apart in a rythmic battle of sorts by other drummers, I realized the errors of my ways and tripled my efforts to progress. It's kind of like there is a hole in my ego that used to be full, but now I have to struggle EXTRA hard to refill, and as the saying goes "You don't know what you got till its gone,".

I think in the end I will most likely be better off for having been cocky, crushed, and risen again like a phoenix.

Eventually, I will be the master but until then I will keep my f*cking mouth shut.

Lesson Learned.

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#29171 - 03/04/04 03:08 PM Re: observations?
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There could be unseen consequences along with an achieved desire. Such as winning the lottery - One cannot percieve every consequence, but I doubt anyone would turn down the winning ticket. This IS a desire, but there is doubt along with it, due to the unseen consequences. You might not want it 100%, because there could be downsides that you cannot foresee; However, it is still a desire, even though you do not necessarily want it 100%.

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#29172 - 03/04/04 04:33 PM Re: AAAaargh! [Re: HLGwyn]
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Quote:

Who cares what anyones motives are? Motives are not solid, nor are they the whole picture



Absolutely true.

Although at least to me, there's a definite relation between motives and desires. Does a motive that is not honestly aligned with ones desire dilute the desire, reducing its potential?

Not likely an issue for people here, as everyone here's quite in touch with their inner desires and needs at the most animalistic level. (ok, a little sarcasm. I myself am still learning, and will continue to try to learn about myself and my inner desires, and how to express those desires)
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#29173 - 03/04/04 05:20 PM Jeepers! [Re: DavidP]
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Posts: 128
Loc: Colorado
We have a Winnah!

I must agree on the point of formal ritual being needed less as one becomes more pronounced in will.

Excellent post.

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#29174 - 03/04/04 05:36 PM Re: Jeepers! [Re: HLGwyn]
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Do I get a stuffed christian to play with or a bobbin' head devil?

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#29175 - 03/04/04 05:42 PM Re: Jeepers! [Re: DavidP]
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Loc: Colorado
I think the Bobbin' Head Devil would provide many more hours of enjoyment.

Ya get a stuffed christian wet, and man do they stink up the place...kinda like they do before they are stuffed. You gotta use at least four cans of ScotchGaurd to keep 'em from soaking up accidental spills, and goin' mouldy.

Hail Satan.
(thanx again for the great post.)

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#29176 - 03/04/04 11:45 PM Re: observations?
Anonymous
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You are going off-topic here.

We were talking about desires that one can achieve/obtain HIM/HERSELF by putting in effort.

Like I also stated in my very first reply:

Responsibility to the Responsible.

The one who wins the lottery obviously has bought a ticket somewhere along the line. At that point, winning the lottery was a desire, worth the effort of going to the shop and pay a certain amount of money for it.

What happens along the way (like information the person gets about actually WINNING it, people who are suddenly soooooooo eager to be friends with you, or whatever negative side effects winning a lottery can have) is something that can be added up to the cons of actually winning it.

As I said earlier; as soon as something is holding you back to obtain the result (winning the lottery in this case) and that is/becomes more important to you than the goal you were going after, than the original goal is not a real desire anymore. For if it was, then you would not have doubts or think other factors are more important than achieving your goal.


Sheesh, can I be more clear?


Your last post has been off-topic and nitpicking.


I still stand by my first point.


I think you need to sort out what a REAL desire means.
A REAL desire is something....

you know what?

I think I am not gonna explain again.

If you don't get it, or don't agree with me, fine

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#29177 - 03/05/04 01:26 AM Re: observations?
Anonymous
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One of us should have picked up on the redundancy a long time ago. We're on different sides of the fence, and that is that. It was a good, but unfortunately useless, debate.

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