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#292211 - 12/20/07 09:37 PM Dragon Rouge
tubalcain Offline



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Greetings,
Perhaps I might have mistaken the forum, but since this is a general question about satansim im posting it here; does anybody around there, know something about the Dragon Rouge Order, which is a satanist order from Northern Europe,based in Stockholm and growing fast in Europe and America, that practices many satanic rituals?

Thanks all.

Have a great Winter Solstice!
HS!

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#292349 - 12/21/07 02:38 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: tubalcain]
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Exactly what Satanic rituals are they practicing?
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#292351 - 12/21/07 02:49 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: tubalcain]
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Considering one of the authors studied by this group is Carlos Castaneda, whose ideas are in opposition to ours, I can personally see no connection between them and us.

If I may make a suggestion…there are sure to be other idiots, like myself, who will probably confuse the issue. Knowledgeable members of the priesthood, or possibly a Magister will answer any question put forth in the “Questions About the Church of Satan” forum. ;\)


Happy Winter Solstice to you, as well.
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#292353 - 12/21/07 02:52 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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Castaneda, he is the one who worked with a shaman in Mexico, correct?

I have read a bit of his work. Interesting fantasy to be sure. There was a Simpsons episode based on his ideas, the one where Homer eats the insanity pepper and goes on a spiritual journey.

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#292355 - 12/21/07 03:00 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: TheDegenerate]
Roho_the_Rooster Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Phosis
Castaneda, he is the one who worked with a shaman in Mexico, correct?

I have read a bit of his work. Interesting fantasy to be sure. There was a Simpsons episode based on his ideas, the one where Homer eats the insanity pepper and goes on a spiritual journey.



He is the one.
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#292372 - 12/21/07 05:56 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: spook show]
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Gee thanks for aswering! Maybe more than Carlos Castaneda, they are working with Nordic Magic, Samic magic (?) Grimories, and so forth, there are polish and german authors whose works(some) are availabe in America such as "Glimpses of the Left Hand Path" , The book of Mephisto", "Necronomicon Gnosis", "Embracing the Dark: the Magic Order of the Dragon Rouge", they are a left hand pathed order, perhaps a Northern European satanism, Im not very familiar with Northern European satanism or magical ceremonies, but would like to have a more objective point of view of this left hand path.

HS!
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"One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light but by making the darkness conscious" Carl Jung

"Embracing the darkness is embracing freedom" Corvis Nocturnum

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#292374 - 12/21/07 06:04 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: tubalcain]
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"Necronomicon Gnosis"

That sounds.... gelatinous!
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#292380 - 12/21/07 06:47 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: tubalcain]
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Isn't that the demon-worshiping group that advocates psychedelic drug use?

If so, then they are not Satanists at all.

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#292381 - 12/21/07 06:52 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: tubalcain]
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 Originally Posted By: tubalcain
Im not very familiar with Northern European satanism



There is only one Satanism. It was codified and presented to the world by Magus LaVey. Everything else is a copy, and usually a bad one.
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#292382 - 12/21/07 06:55 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: Phineas]
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 Originally Posted By: Phineas
 Originally Posted By: tubalcain
Im not very familiar with Northern European satanism



There is only one Satanism. It was codified and presented to the world by Magus LaVey. Everything else is a copy, and usually a bad one.


And that's the bottom line, because Magus LaVey, did so!


Edited by Tier Instinct (12/21/07 07:01 PM)
Edit Reason: Emphasis
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#292388 - 12/21/07 07:14 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: Phineas]
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Oh and my favorite quote comes to mind:

"When people ask me, 'What gives you the right to suggest standards for others?', my answer is, 'If I don't, someone else, perhaps less qualified, will.' History has proven that qualification is based on acceptance. The end justifies the means."

Anton LaVey - The Devil's Notebook.


But even now, there are STILL people that think they are qualified at coming up with something that they want to call Satanism. More often than not, they intend to make it into the antithesis of The Church of Satan, which is ridiculous in the first place, but then they load it down with spirituality and new age nonsense that it becomes as asinine as the white light religions which they harp incessantly against.

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#292441 - 12/22/07 12:20 AM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: Nemo]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemo
Isn't that the demon-worshiping group that advocates psychedelic drug use?

If so, then they are not Satanists at all.


Need more be said?
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#292461 - 12/22/07 03:42 AM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: tubalcain]
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If one looks at the Wikipedia article on them it seems that it does not refer to them as Satanists, but as a magical order of the left hand path.

Sounds to me more like they're a bunch of goth and metal fans with an interest in the occult. Why do you refer to them as Satanists?
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#292464 - 12/22/07 04:02 AM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: tubalcain]
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Their website says that you have to pay an annual subscription of 40 euros, which will enable you to order their courses (suggesting further payment) so that you can become initiated.

Compare this with the Bunco sheet available on the Church of Satan website.

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Look out for jargon and secrets to which only the initiated can be privy. Once youre processed through the lengthy and strictly-enforced degree system, youll discover there are really no answers, just more gobbledygook. If they have something worthwhile to say, theyll say it. If they dont, theyll pretend they do anyway.


Why should one pay an annual fee to study the philosophy of Nietzsche and the operas of Wagner when you can do that for free on your own?
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#292529 - 12/22/07 01:07 PM Re: Dragon Rouge [Re: tubalcain]
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"Diet Satanism"

Tastes almost as the real thing... but has none of the substance.
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