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#293584 - 12/27/07 10:53 AM Scapegoated once again
HiddenHorror Offline


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Seems that once again Satanism is going to take the blame for a psychopath who obviously doesn't follow our philosophy.

Mall Shooter Was 'Satanic'
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#293589 - 12/27/07 11:26 AM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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At least he killed himself, eh?

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#293593 - 12/27/07 12:04 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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There is no blame to be put on Satanism! These repoters are only interested in selling their stories. The Ninth Satanic Statement in action!

I agree with Adequate.
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#293598 - 12/27/07 12:14 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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hat "he is not sure if there is a God or life after death and that when he dies, he'll probably go to hell."


A great number of my classmates in high school felt the same way. It has to do with being an angsty teen, not a Satanist.

Well, and I guess hindsight is always 20/20, but it never ceases to amaze me how people like this tend to have checkered pasts and/or rap sheets a mile long. This guy's done pot and coke, he's obviously insane, and, most importantly, he has threatened numerous people with violence in the past.
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#293612 - 12/27/07 01:06 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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I was reading the article thinking I was going to read about him killing kittens, listening to heavy metal, and all that other satanic panic stuff. Instead, I just see typical dumb teenager behavior. How do they gather that he is "satanic"?
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#293615 - 12/27/07 01:10 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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Good Riddance!
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#293620 - 12/27/07 01:21 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: Storm]
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One more sick little sheep is buried six feet under.

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#293626 - 12/27/07 01:37 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: Rory_Rocketpants]
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 Originally Posted By: Adequate
At least he killed himself, eh?


People that commit this kind of crime almost always do. This falls into the "Mass Murder," category. The behavior is predictable once the crime is perpetrated; too bad we can't determine who will commit this crime before they actually do it.
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#293627 - 12/27/07 01:37 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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I will transgress, and give advice. There is no good reason not to ignore this kind of thing. You will see story after story of stupidity being blamed on the devil. Yellow journalism pure and simple.
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#293664 - 12/27/07 02:54 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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If you read the article it was he who called himself satanic and not the press.

The media is choosing to focus on this as in most peoples minds "satanic" means devil worship.

The fact that he was far removed from a Satanist wont make a difference to the reporters who probably wouldn't do any research on the subject, or choose to ignore the research they do.

I know what Satanism means to me and don't expect other people to have the same understanding that I have (a part of me does not desire this either).

I haven't seen The Church of Satan get any bad press (that I have found) and even some good press, but satanism continues to be misunderstood and mistaken for devil worship.
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#293672 - 12/27/07 03:11 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: shadowraven213]
TheDegenerate Offline
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 Originally Posted By: shadowraven213
If you read the article it was he who called himself satanic and not the press.

The media is choosing to focus on this as in most peoples minds "satanic" means devil worship.

The fact that he was far removed from a Satanist wont make a difference to the reporters who probably wouldn't do any research on the subject, or choose to ignore the research they do.

I know what Satanism means to me and don't expect other people to have the same understanding that I have (a part of me does not desire this either).

I haven't seen The Church of Satan get any bad press (that I have found) and even some good press, but satanism continues to be misunderstood and mistaken for devil worship.


Indeed.

The day they decide to start lynching all Satanists is the day I would start to worry about misrepresentation. It must be a thorn in the side of the Church of Satan of course, but it is of little harm it would seem.

Still, it is nicer when it doesn't happen, then when it does...

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#293715 - 12/27/07 05:40 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: TheDegenerate]
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1. Its Fox News, they are always sensational to the point of being ridiculous.

and

2.Maybe The Church of Satan should sue them?
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#293726 - 12/27/07 06:51 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: Vestiphobic]
Phineas Offline
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Only Fox News, eh?

And....

Also....

The list goes on. Satanism and the COS never get a fair shake. Just look at how the 6-6-06 event was reported. Even the ones who were allowed to come close to it tossed out the facts just so they could run with their own sensationalistic balderdash.
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#293735 - 12/27/07 07:12 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: Phineas]
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Oh my god... they're all in on it. And they all say "satanic" like they have any idea what that means.

It was only a matter of time I supose, since its not fashionable to blame Marilyn Manson anymore, they just go after the Church instead.

It makes sense to blame us, if you think about it. They're sheep, they need to feel comforted, and how much easier to do so than to blame the one thing everyone is collectively afraid of?
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#293747 - 12/27/07 08:08 PM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: Vestiphobic]
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Registered: 12/04/07
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Ron Hawkins:
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"It is beyond my ability and I have to release him to God, praying that He will make sure that nothing happens to him that can not be undone."


Well that worked out well, didn't it?

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constant theme of court hearings was Hawkins' drug use. He told social workers he started using marijuana at age 13 and typically smoked twice a week.

By age 17, he said, he smoked marijuana almost daily and had snorted cocaine four to five times. He was expelled from school in October 2005 for trying to sell drugs to classmates.

Hawkins shrugged off criticism of his drug use and acknowledged selling drugs to pay for his marijuana habit, the documents said.


Cod damm the cocaine decisions

Hopefully CoS won't have to take the blame for this sheep bastard’s misbehaviour...

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#293801 - 12/28/07 01:41 AM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
Auen74 Offline
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I have read the article several times and read the articles in the links that were provided by Magister Phineas, and nowhere in the article is any supported evidence of this scumbag claiming to be a Satanist. They quoted him saying that he wasn't sure if there was a god or not but this isn't even close to admitting to being a Satanist. Once again the media has taken a story and sensationalized it to suit their own needs and blow things out of proportion.

If I'm wrong about the article not giving any real evidence, I'd appreciate if someone would point out where it says this. I may have missed it somewhere amongst the bullshit.

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#293809 - 12/28/07 03:02 AM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: Auen74]
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 Originally Posted By: Auen74
I have read the article several times and read the articles in the links that were provided by Magister Phineas, and nowhere in the article is any supported evidence of this scumbag claiming to be a Satanist. They quoted him saying that he wasn't sure if there was a god or not but this isn't even close to admitting to being a Satanist. Once again the media has taken a story and sensationalized it to suit their own needs and blow things out of proportion.

If I'm wrong about the article not giving any real evidence, I'd appreciate if someone would point out where it says this. I may have missed it somewhere amongst the bullshit.


I had the same thought. Here's the extent of it, from what I can can see: "The teen gunman who killed eight people and himself in a mall this month once told social workers he was satanic and acknowledged that he often acted before thinking of the consequences, according to newly released court records." No direct quote, kind of a "take our word for it" reference.

But it wouldn't surprise me at all if the kid did tell social workers he was "satanic". Apparently he came from some kind of Christian background, which he'd become disillousioned about/felt at odds with, and it would be pretty common for a person to label such adversarial/conflicted feelings as "satanic". Too bad he didn't get ahold of the Satanic Bible before going on a pointlessly destructive rampage(I'm almost certain he didn't, as his actions were self-destructive and obviously lacking in insight regarding his philosophical/emotional crisis).

I really despise this kind of media coverage which points to "Satan", or the pot(cause you know those stoners are always taking up arms against mall-shoppers!), or maybe a video game or band as a likely catalyst for this sort of despicable behavior. Confusing symptoms with causes. Of anything I read in these identical articles, the biggest "red flag" for me was the quote by the father who was leaving him in God's hands. Perhaps the kid's welfare had been left in the hands of some imaginary caretaker far too much already...? But, of course, that was a "good" intention on the part of his father. Let's not delve too much into any root causes, when we have convenient scapegoats!

In any case, it's a sad situation when one goes so far astray...but I also echo the sentiment that it was best he offed himself in the process...too bad he randomly took some others with him in his ultimate self-destruction. I really hate it when a person can't get the nerve to kill themselves until they've done something so horrible that they can't bear to live with the consequences(as in the classic case of the guy who kills his family before pulling the trigger on himself). F-ing cowards.

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#293829 - 12/28/07 03:56 AM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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It's so easy to use Satanism as a poster boy for the consequences and actions of others. Clearly society can't handle the fact that psychopaths randomly go on shooting rampages.

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#293839 - 12/28/07 05:54 AM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: HiddenHorror]
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But WE know that he was NOT. Just reading the Fox article, it said that he often acted without considering the consequences (lack of responsiblity). It also mentioned frequent to constant use of weed and possibly other drugs. (Think of ALL of the times- if you have not read them, you will possibly run across them when the priesthood and the Magistri say no drugs...he had a need to escape.)
He had institutionalized behaviors from being in the court/juvenile etc system. Its how they survive in the system then plays a part in his being sent back to the same system because , at least on the surface, that is not the alleged nature of general society. He was no one in the system . I have noticed that many of these shooters want to be known. Many have a low frustration level-which when coupled with lack of education , lack of looking at possible consequences, as well as poor communication skills , I think, leads to a powder keg situation.

Of course, general society is going to blame the devil- its what is ingrained in them to do. Its what has been taught to them and reinforced since their skulls were soft. Because if society did not have a scapegoat,then they might have to look at themselves, which of course, is rarely done.

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#293855 - 12/28/07 07:28 AM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: SueW]
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Society, or American culture, is like a flock of pigeons. Easily frightened and willing to eat the bread thrown from any hand. So let them eat stale bread.

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#293867 - 12/28/07 08:43 AM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: Auen74]
shadowraven213 Offline


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"once told social workers he was satanic"

From at least 2 articles.
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#293878 - 12/28/07 09:34 AM Re: Scapegoated once again [Re: shadowraven213]
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More stupid people making life more difficult for other people... It's a shame this happened.

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