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#298181 - 01/13/08 05:35 PM Giving Unlife
Dead Roses Offline


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Here is a question I find most itriguing:

Should one have children when faced with the difficulties of harsh poverty?

Should he consider rather not to have offspring he can not provide with a roof, food and the joys a child deserves?

Should he, if having realised that too late, give the child into adoption?

I do not know, as by yet, what stance to take in the face of such a question, but I would sincerely like to hear what you folks have to say about the matter. I would like... a Satanic point of view. Thank you.

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#298182 - 01/13/08 05:36 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Dead Roses]
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Are these issues you face?
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#298187 - 01/13/08 05:51 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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No, at least not yet, and I hope not ever. I, being a Satanist, strongly fight against facing such a future. Please, be as objectve (or subjective) as you like; I'd really like to hear some of your opinions concerning this.
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#298188 - 01/13/08 06:02 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Dead Roses]
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It seems that the more poverty stricken the society the more children they want. Its in your nature to recreate. Just because someone was born into a lower social standing does not mean that they are not still a human animal capable of becoming whatever they apply them self too. Like Dr. Lavey said "you don't have to be the best sinner in the world just be the best sinner on your block."
Other than that I know several people who should not be allowed to breed. If it does not advance your life in some way I believe it will detract from it. Selective breeding is a wise decision.
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#298194 - 01/13/08 06:41 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Dead Roses]
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 Originally Posted By: Dead Roses
Should one have children when faced with the difficulties of harsh poverty?


No. It's pretty much common sense not to have children if you can't afford them.

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Should he consider rather not to have offspring he can not provide with a roof, food and the joys a child deserves?


That's like asking if someone should drink Drano.

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Should he, if having realised that too late, give the child into adoption?


Well if the broke-ass parent can't take care of the child, someone else should. It's obvious that the kid wasn't planned. However, it's not fair to the child to have a broke-ass parent.

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I do not know, as by yet, what stance to take in the face of such a question


This should be easy to the Satanist.

If you're broke, don't have kids.

Plain and simple. This isn't a game of "Jeopardy" here.

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#298195 - 01/13/08 06:45 PM You wish a Satanic point of view? [Re: Dead Roses]
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Have you considered first exploring the published Satanic literature to determine what that might be for yourself?

Those who seek "pre-packaged" Satanism without thinking through things from a Satanic perspective on their own usually end up clueless on such issues.

Perhaps you might consider looking at these issues from a Satanic perspective first, thinking through what that might mean, and then posting your conclusions as well as why you drew them.

Perhaps then others could engage in a discussion of whether they agree with you or not, and why as well.

Just a suggestion.

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#298197 - 01/13/08 06:52 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Dead Roses]
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Unless it's your life, I don't believe you have much say in the matter, therefore the point is moot.

"Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself."

But otherwise, to further slvrrain, selective breeding is the wisest choice, I would even throw in environment conditions, social conditions, etc. as well apart of that. I myself would never have kids in any condition or environment I wasn't happy with. Unfortunately that doesn't stop some people, some people think that "The More, the Merrier" even if they may leech off of the Welfare system in the process.

But again, if it's not your life, then I don't recommend telling someone what they should do with a child.

"Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked."

EDIT: I'm willing to bet I got baited. Shucks!


Edited by Wolf Landon (01/13/08 06:53 PM)
Edit Reason: See above!

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#298198 - 01/13/08 07:05 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Philotechnic]
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I agree with Wolf Landon. If you yourself are not happy with how you live then I'm going to guess that your kids wont either.

I personally would never have a baby if I could not give it a comfortable life. To like wolf said if it does not concern you, you have no need to bother with the matter.
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#298200 - 01/13/08 07:10 PM Re: You wish a Satanic point of view? [Re: Nemo]
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Magister Nemo, I have not come here with intentions of seeking pre-packaged Satanism, I have merely asked about the opinions of other likeminded individuals, and was not begging any of you fine people to take me by the hand and walk me through my life, as you might have interpreted it. I have come here to engage in conversation with an outstanding elite, the kind you will not come across regularily in my country, and am neither as immaturely dumb-stricken as you might (obviously) have been led to believe by the misinterpretation of my posts, which was probably due to my lack of proper definitions of questions about opinions (NOT queries). I am not new to Satanism, and my asking about others' opinions, whereby admitting uncertainty of stance towards particular topics, only indicates that I am human and willing to listen to what the other side has to say. If it wasn't for that, none of us would ever have read any of Doktor LaVey's work in the first place. I am here to OBSERVE first, learn second.
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#298206 - 01/13/08 07:18 PM Re: You wish a Satanic point of view? [Re: Dead Roses]
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Your words ring true. Yet, it DOES affect a lot of people with whom I feel a deep connection, friendship variety. Otherwise, I would not have had adressed the matter here, or given it a second thought beyond the 8th Satanic Rule of the Earth. It just came to me to ask what you think about it.
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#298212 - 01/13/08 07:48 PM Re: You wish a Satanic point of view? [Re: Dead Roses]
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You wish a Satanist point of view on something?

Offer yours first along with explanations as to why you think that it is so.

Anton LaVey wrote about what he thought and then explained why.

He didn't just ask people, "What is your opinion about ____ ?"

I am suggesting that understanding Satanism comes from first attempting to do so in exactly the same way.

You have read Satanic literature.

You wonder about a topic.

Apply your current understanding to the topic by placing your thoughts in words and then offer explanations for why you think you are correct.

Then when others respond, it can actually develop into something enriching and interesting.

Otherwise it is a fairly shallow exercise in popular polling.

"Hi. What is your Satanic view on kumquats?" is purposeless word salad.

"My view of kumquats from a Satanic view is this: _____ . I feel it is Satanic because _____ and ____ . Do you disagree or have other thoughts?"

This leads somewhere potentially.

Offer something first and then ask for feedback.

That is then not just taking.

It is sharing.

That's how I see it.

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#298218 - 01/13/08 07:58 PM Re: You wish a Satanic point of view? [Re: Dead Roses]
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 Originally Posted By: Dead Roses
Your words ring true. Yet, it DOES affect a lot of people with whom I feel a deep connection, friendship variety. Otherwise, I would not have had adressed the matter here, or given it a second thought beyond the 8th Satanic Rule of the Earth. It just came to me to ask what you think about it.


It may be friends you care about deeply, but these are things that happen anywhere around the world, everyday, since the dawn of man.

If you do respect your friends, don't tell them what to do with their life, or worry about their decisions that don't affect you. I'd be quite pissed if a friend of mine acted like my personal decisions were his concern.


Edited by Wolf Landon (01/13/08 08:00 PM)

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#298224 - 01/13/08 08:52 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Dead Roses]
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Only an idiot would have a child that he cannot provide for.
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#298230 - 01/13/08 09:18 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Dead Roses]
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People that have children they cannot afford are part of a major worldwide problem in my opinion. Why do you think "ghettos" exist?

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#298236 - 01/13/08 09:41 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: WolfMoon]
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Poverty feeds our armies with desperate blood. Ghettos are popular recruiting grounds.
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#298243 - 01/13/08 10:14 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Callier]
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I'll take poverty and children for 200, Mr. Callier.
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#298258 - 01/13/08 10:57 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Discipline]
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 Originally Posted By: Discipline
I'll take poverty and children for 200, Mr. Callier.




"In ghettos nationwide, this is missing in every household."

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#298262 - 01/13/08 11:21 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Callier]
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#298265 - 01/13/08 11:30 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Philotechnic]
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*ding ding ding*

"That is correct. The fathers are missing in every household."

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#298268 - 01/14/08 12:03 AM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Callier]
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#298278 - 01/14/08 02:05 AM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Callier]
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Ha!

I am not fast enough with the buzzer.
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#298281 - 01/14/08 02:14 AM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Discipline]
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Oh Oh can I play!!!!
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#298336 - 01/14/08 10:20 AM Re: You wish a Satanic point of view? [Re: Nemo]
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Hahahahaha Point taken. I stand corrected. Thank you for your time and patience.
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#298374 - 01/14/08 12:15 PM Re: You wish a Satanic point of view? [Re: Dead Roses]
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I think adpotion can easily be justified.

But I think it shouldn`t be a preventation (is that right) metod.
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#298436 - 01/14/08 03:41 PM Re: Giving Unlife [Re: Philotechnic]
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I was raised by a family that couldn't afford me. Of course I'll never amount to anything, I cling to this hope of completing my magnetic generator someday but that's really just hoping. If you can't make a meal for your child when he/she comes home from school, then don't have kids. It's not fair on the child or yourself.

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