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#299886 - 01/20/08 02:17 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Skully]
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But then, there are cases when they start speaking different languages, changing voice, etc.


And of course, you're assuming that the "possessed" hasn't been exposed to casual contact with the language they're speaking while "possessed". I refer you to the work of Sarah Thomason. As for the changing voice, extreme metal vocalists are known for doing ridiculous things with their vocals, it is an industry devoted to the practice.

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Strange it may sound, but do we really know human body?


The mountain of research and data accumulated through interdisciplinary scientific methodology would seem to suggest that we do know at least a little bit. And that's likely why many such supposed cases of "possession" are so prevalent in uneducated, third world demographics, because they don't have ready access to the information that might provide them with a proper diagnosis.

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Under enormous pressure and stress people do amazing things when defending their offspring or saving themselves in danger.


This is a well known fact, and it has nothing to do with the questionable validity of mystical or spiritual possession.

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And we only use something like 30% of our brains.


So if you remove 70% of your brain, you'll function just fine?

This is a myth and I recommend better discretion and research on your part. You should begin here.

Note: If I've misconstrued the intent of this post in any way, I apologize.







Edited by Poetaster (01/20/08 05:47 PM)
Edit Reason: Just noticed that the first link didn't work, so I fixed it.
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#299889 - 01/20/08 02:21 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Skully]
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 Originally Posted By: Skully
I'm not an expert in this matter, but believe in a miracle of human body.


I am not fully sure what you mean by "miracle of human body" but I can agree that us humans are capable of extraordinary feats that can be seen as 'magical' or 'miraculous'. Only because we haven't the ability to study or even detect the processes and mechanics of how these feats are accomplished. Without that data it may not be possible to fully accept certain occurrences as believable or based in fact or reality.

 Originally Posted By: skully
But then, there are cases when they start speaking different languages, changing voice, etc.


Speaking multiple languages is a common skill. Changing the tone of ones voice is not too difficult a task either. From a skeptical standpoint this is not concrete evidence of a supernatural event as it can be done by millions, possibly billions of people.

 Originally Posted By: skully
Under enormous pressure and stress people do amazing things when defending their offspring or saving themselves in danger.


Yes, the body stores many chemicals inside the brain and other organs which can be released in times of stress to assist us by boosting reaction time, speed, mobility, sharpening the senses, raising the threshold for pain and moderating blood flow. In the course of our daily lives we are actually using just a mere fraction of the full potential of our physical capacities.

 Originally Posted By: skully
And we only use something like 30% of our brains. What happens with the rest of it?


I'm just musing here but I get the impression that the brain is much like our muscular system in that we are not continually lifting heavy objects just like we are not continually solving complex math equations.

Also, even with our 'advanced' technologies we still know very little about all the functions of the brain and exactly how it works. There may even be processes happening with that other 70% of gray matter that we cannot yet detect.

 Originally Posted By: skully
We are exposed to ginormous amount of information that just gets lost in the brains and doesn't resurface in normal sircumstances.


You may have a point here. Who knows, maybe everything in our lives is completely stored within the brain. In this way every word foreign and domestic that has reached your ears may be stored and ready for repeating at any time. Perhaps it takes a trigger of sorts to unlock this wellspring of recorded speech to allow it to flow effortlessly from ones lips. It's an interesting thought.

 Originally Posted By: skully
You may never be aware what languages you have been exposed to through media and such, but it might just stay at the furtherst corner of your brain.
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#299894 - 01/20/08 02:36 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: TheNaturalForce]
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It seems to me that this can be ascribed to the magic we practice, too. Indeed, we are using those uncounscious 70% while on the peak in the IDC, manifesting the power of strong emotions; doing magic by putting sudden charged quantums of counsciousness into it, which is caused by the above mentioned (respective) trigger(s).

The human brain is an enigma unsolved. A mystery we can, to an extent, explore with and through the use of magic.

But it might be better not to push it too hard, as Dr. LaVey said: ''Most people lack the ability to use a tool without having first to disassemble it and label each of the parts which make it run.''

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#299905 - 01/20/08 03:18 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Dammarval]
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My cock is possessed! It wakes me up in the middle of the night stiff as a board! It spits a thick liguid in the face of those who try to help it! It makes me sometimes do wicked things to it with my hands, that always results in the spitting of the thick liguid! I dumped some Holy water on it, and showed it a picture of Jesus, but again with the thick liguid! How would one account for my possessed cock?
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#299916 - 01/20/08 03:59 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Dammarval]
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In the documentary, "The Devil: An Unauthorized Biography", they show a Spanish speaking woman being exorcised by an aging Catholic Priest. I always found it odd that the "demon" spoke with the same Spanish accent and the best insult it could hurl was, "You stupid!" ;\)
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#299948 - 01/20/08 05:59 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Bill_M]
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Thank you all of you who have responsded to my post. Appreciate that very much...
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#299952 - 01/20/08 06:09 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Dammarval]
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 Originally Posted By: Dammarval
Thank you all of you who have responsded to my post. Appreciate that very much...


And...your thoughts?

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#299967 - 01/20/08 06:56 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Dammarval]
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 Originally Posted By: Dammarval
Thank you all of you who have responsded to my post. Appreciate that very much...


You're a mooch.
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#299986 - 01/20/08 07:49 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Dammarval]
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Certainly, I don't believe that actual "evil dieties" take over one's body and control their actions. However, I believe that that these "possessed" individuals believe it completely. So much so, in fact, that they are able to "become" those demons which they believe inhabit their "souls". And through the guidance of an "exorcist" they are able to rid themselves of these demons.

All this really demonstrates is the terrifying power of the christian religion.

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#299988 - 01/20/08 07:52 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Storm]
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This comes the closest to my view on the subject.
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#299990 - 01/20/08 08:07 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Storm]
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I watched a show on Monks, who tattoo vilagers. The tattoo's were of tigers, reptiles, and other mighty animals. I think there were even prayers tattooed along with the animal. Some would go into fits while the tattoo's were being performed. Displaying the actions of the animal being tattooed.

Later on, the tattoed were gathered together outside of the monestary. Where they went into an orgy of possesion! The monks would then perform exorcism. Man is truely the only animal that can lie to himself, and believe it.

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#300014 - 01/20/08 10:26 PM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Callier]
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 Originally Posted By: Callier
[quote=Dammarval]
And why particularly a member of the CoS has to answer to this?


Probably because the CoS member perspective is valuable? Valuable enough to start charging people for answers!
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#300092 - 01/21/08 10:09 AM Re: "Demon" Possession & Exorcisms... [Re: Bill_M]
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 Originally Posted By: Bill_M
There are likewise "docmented cases" of kids seeing Santa Claus at the mall.


I saw Santa Claus at the mall...

Documented!

There is no such thing as demonic possession...

Documented!

Case closed.
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