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#300974 - 01/23/08 09:33 PM Re: My apology [Re: Dammarval]
Colonel Kurtz Offline
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Registered: 12/09/07
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Just more proof that stupid is universal!

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#300977 - 01/23/08 09:57 PM Re: My apology [Re: Dammarval]
G.F.V. Offline
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Registered: 12/31/04
Posts: 1950
Loc: NYC
I'm not normally one to be against apologies by any and all means.

However,

As far as this situation is concerned (and I'll even go as far as to give you the benefit of the doubt because I haven't read your previous postings), this apology doesn't come across as crisp nor sincere. It's filled with one too many excuses, and seems as if you used it to unnecessarily admit the flaws and problems that you have. Overall, it doesn't hold much air.


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#301003 - 01/24/08 12:33 AM Re: My apology [Re: Philotechnic]
Dammarval Offline
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Registered: 01/03/08
Posts: 32
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
As I've mentioned in my previous posting, I'm from another culture with different set of rules, norms, including how English is written and processed, and understood. Satanism is NOT exclusive to only this country for any particular person, be it Blue, Black, Yellow, or White, nor just to any particular ethnic group.

"Go Away" could mean "Away with you", or "To hell with you", or "Forget you", or "Screw you". To me, it's which? Besides semantics, if there's any part of me you couldn't understand, I'll be very happy to fill you in. No harm done. Maybe we can learn from each other's culture and grow. What do you say?



Edited by Dammarval (01/24/08 12:34 AM)
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#301006 - 01/24/08 12:43 AM Re: My apology [Re: Colonel Kurtz]
Dammarval Offline
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Registered: 01/03/08
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
...should be, "Just more proof that STUPIDITY is universal".

FYI.


Edited by Dammarval (01/24/08 12:45 AM)
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#301007 - 01/24/08 12:51 AM Re: My apology [Re: G.F.V.]
Dammarval Offline
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Registered: 01/03/08
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
I've made no excuses. Perhaps it's the way I write. Don't know what else I could say...
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#301014 - 01/24/08 02:16 AM Re: My apology [Re: Dammarval]
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 327
Loc: Where I have Always Been
Why apologize?

Apologizing changes nothing.

Not making the same mistakes, changes everything.

If you don't learn, you can't take action to change a thing.

You apparently have no Idea how to not live in the past. That is not Satanic at all.

I don't care about your apology, nor will I ever care about anyones apology. You can either learn to move forward or continue such a self destructive way of living.

There is no excuses. You either enjoy life, or you don't. Apparently, from what I see, you don't.

You can either stay and move ever forward with yourself, or you can go away, and continue to live in the past. That's completely your choice till you've crossed certain lines. It is that simple.

The thing is all you need do is pick up a simple book, read it, and compare what you read, to what you've experienced. Then the stuff you don't know, testing, researching, and actually experiencing (depending upon what it is) to find out what truly is and isn't.

There's only one reason to ever apologize, and one application of action to not make it an empty apology. To make someone feel better to suit your needs. To not make the same mistake twice if at all possible.

If I apologize to someone, the likely hood is that I like the individual enough to make an effort to make them happy. It usually ends up me being happy as well. Also basically that means, if there is some value to anyone I apologize to, then to me it is worth doing so. If there is no value to them, then I won't care at all.

However, I see no reason for an apology here. What I see is something to change, and then doing so is the only logical and rational thing to do.

What your entire "apology" tells me is, you can't adapt. If you can't adapt, you won't and can't change.

You either get it the first time, or you don't.
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#301016 - 01/24/08 02:34 AM Re: My apology [Re: ShadowDragon]
Dammarval Offline
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Registered: 01/03/08
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Hmmm....I never see it this way before. I've learned something valuable from you. Thank you.
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#301020 - 01/24/08 03:13 AM Re: My apology [Re: Dammarval]
Max Faust Offline
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Registered: 09/10/07
Posts: 419
Loc: Ultima Thule
An apology isn't about you and your feelings.

It shouldn't contain any promises, nor too many "explanations".

Above all, you shouldn't apologise unless you really mean it, i.e. that you are truly sorry for offending or insulting somebody, in which case THAT is the essential message - and your objective should be to show that you understand that you insulted or offended the person you are apologising to, leaving it up to such said person to accept or discard your apology.

Your apology is worthless if it contains a subliminal message which says "now that I have said that I am sorry, I consider myself relieved of guilt and free to go on being an asshole".

It isn't up to you to decide whether your apology is good enough!

This is why it is asinine to apologise to "God", your country, or even "this forum" - because there is no such person, and the vulgar display of sentimental nonsense such as guilt and remorse is only amusing to watch - at best! - for Satanists. (Although it is possible to find people who like that sort of thing.)

Indeed it is much better to carry on being an unapologetic asshole - and then try to add some charm to it - instead of undulating between acting like a moron and feeling guilty about it 2 seconds later.

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#301024 - 01/24/08 05:28 AM Re: My apology [Re: ShadowDragon]
Bruja Offline

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Registered: 04/22/05
Posts: 2054
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Why apologize?

Apologizing changes nothing.

Not making the same mistakes, changes everything.

If you don't learn, you can't take action to change a thing.

You apparently have no Idea how to not live in the past. That is not Satanic at all.



I couldn't disagree with you more.

Making a sincere apology if you recognize that you have done something wrong is a brave and intelligent thing to do. It shows strength of character and maturity. Obviously, actions speak louder than words, but it is an admirable quality to be able to recognize when you have made a mistake... and we've all made mistakes. I personally would choose to handle those situations with as much thoughtfulness and class as possible, and am quick to apologize when I see that it is appropriate. I strive to surround myself with people who comport themselves in the same manner.

An apology can be the first step in changing everything.... some thoughts on the Eighth Satanic Sin come to mind. Think about it.

Whether this particular apology falls into the category of sincere is not relevant at the moment, I am simply replying to your ideas on the subject.


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However, I see no reason for an apology here.


In this case, there is plenty to apologize for. When someone disrespects a member of the Hierarchy, I think a public apology is more than appropriate if someone wishes to continue to contribute to this board. (Though it sure would be swell if it was directed at the appropriate person and carried a different tone. ) Ample reason there, don't you think?

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#301025 - 01/24/08 05:28 AM Re: My apology [Re: Dammarval]
SueW Offline
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Registered: 05/14/06
Posts: 1031
Loc: TN,United States
Please donot do it if you are not sincere , but have you apologized to Magistra Ygraine? I noticed that you apologised to the gentlemen, even addressed them by name. I view apologies as sincere and personal (usually 1 on 1). Respectful disagreement , in my experiance, is usually fine. But, she is where she is because she has done and been who she is, not because some diety placed her there.

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#301031 - 01/24/08 06:56 AM Re: My apology [Re: Bruja]
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Agreed on all counts.

It can be a very scary thing to come forward and make an open public apology for everyone and their brother to view.

I respect those who are able to sincerely do so. I Myself have eaten humble pie before and in the end, I felt much better for having done so.

The thing that really bothers Me the most here is that the Magistra that this whole mess was directed towards has the patience of Job (as far as all the post I have thus far read from her). It bothers Me that you attacked her as it would bother Me if you attacked ANY member of the hierarchy.

You must understand one thing: These fine Ladies and Gentlemen have forgotten more than most will ever learn/know.

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#301032 - 01/24/08 06:56 AM Re: My apology [Re: Dammarval]
DickSteele Offline
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Registered: 07/06/04
Posts: 1411
I have made a couple of mistakes here, they were honest mistakes and I am careful not to repeat them. One joke I made wasn't carefully thought out but it didn't include purposefully attacking a moderator.
You specifically attacked a moderator and a leader in The COS and on the board.
I hear you making excuses to why you are a victim, not an apology.

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#301043 - 01/24/08 07:37 AM Re: My apology [Re: Bruja]
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Registered: 03/30/07
Posts: 327
Loc: Where I have Always Been
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Making a sincere apology if you recognize that you have done something wrong is a brave and intelligent thing to do. It shows strength of character and maturity. Obviously, actions speak louder than words, but it is an admirable quality to be able to recognize when you have made a mistake... and we've all made mistakes.


I agree, though I always prefer doing so on a personal level. It is meaningless without action.

What I was trying to say, in an overly complicated way, is that context is everything, when it comes to apologizing.

An apology is, the way I see it, not always appropriate.

It all depends on what I'm apologizing for, and who I am apologizing too, if one is appropriate.

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In this case, there is plenty to apologize for. When someone disrespects a member of the Hierarchy, I think a public apology is more than appropriate if someone wishes to continue to contribute to this board. (though it would be nice if it was directed to the appropriate person and carried a different tone.) Ample reason there, don't you think?


I wasn't aware of this, otherwise I would've simply ignored this thread (like I do a great many threads.)

In this case I agree fully, and thank you for pointing out what I wasn't aware of.
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#301051 - 01/24/08 08:20 AM Re: My apology [Re: Dammarval]
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Registered: 03/10/05
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There has been more than a few times when I have made a post that I have regretted. If you look at the date of the last post on page one, you will see that in about four days, any given post will go to page two. The average user will never see it again. In case of minor infractions of common sense, not drawing further attention to you for a few short days will remedy the situation.

For major infractions, such as bad mouthing a Magistra, groveling is a bare minimum.
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#301092 - 01/24/08 10:54 AM Re: My apology [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
Ygraine Offline

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Registered: 07/11/01
Posts: 2849
Loc: Florida
Okay. That is a wrap.

I am touched and have no small amount of gratitude for those of you advocating on my behalf. You guys are swell.

Dammarval has sent me a private apology. My feelings on that are my own. I personally have chosen not to be the person who bans him. I feel that things have become personal and waging private vendettas is not my job here.

But, despite ideas to the contrary, I actually do like to help/teach, and I think we can all walk away knowing a few things that perhaps weren't clear before.

1. For the gazillionth time---The Questions About The Church of Satan forum is only to be answered by clergy, and clergy IS authorized to speak on behalf of the Church of Satan.

2. While explanations are occasionally required, excuses negate apologies. As I say to my kids, "There better not be a but at the end of that I'm sorry!"

3. Oftentimes the kindest thing you can do for someone is let them fail.

And on that cheery note, I'd like to call this whole fucking thing a day.


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